Future of Overland train service in doubt

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 25 Nov 2019 19:16
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Yeah, simply cancelling the train would be fair easier.

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  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
NB: If you are in 'self-isolation' they'll send the police around to your house to make sure you are home at random intervals - so it's not an option.
wobert should be good at this, he has been self isolating himself in the Netherby Pub for weeks at a time for years Razz coppers even check on him to make sure he hasn't wondered off Exclamation

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Only fit about 5 or 6 in there with the distance rules, not that it'll worry the locals to much.

Funny thing out there, over the last few years with kids growing up, less little tackers for the parents to deal with , a bit more spare time, a few more a going more often. Plus blokes and few women come from near on Rainbow and Jeparit in the other direction.

Hey 'Shunter, you been over to the Dynon thread that Neils been writing, well worth a read.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The overland may be the only transport running after this pandemic as the airlines will be shot.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I would now be looking at the coming current demise of The Ghan and Indian Pacific giving the current situation, if I were GSR (or whoever) now is the time for the Overland could be their only train left to operate.
Interesting point.
Difference is IP and GHAN cover their operating costs from the revenue collected from selling seats, The Overland doesn't. No  subsidy, no Overland regardless of what is happening elsewhere in the business even if the business was to close.
not for very much longer mate, The Overland well maybe the only train they will have left after Tuesday.
trainbrain
The other two will then likely be cancelled until further notice, like the airlines and like the airlines the staff stood down until further notice.

The Overland unlikely will not survive until its final run if indeed it gets to run the next departure from Adelaide which seems unlikely.

Unfortunately the Overland will likely slip quickly and quietly into the night with no fanfare, no send off and no last hurrah! I think COVID-19 has basically been the trigger for this train to be permanently cancelled by stealth as the state and fed govts have bigger fish to fry as do most of the public. By the time this is all over, reviving the Overland will equivalent to reviving the Murrarylander, nice to have, but we don't need it right now!

I'm hoping and this is a wish, that perhaps when this is all over, JB (GSR) promote one final run of the Overland for which the ticket sales are such that the one off train is profitable in its own right.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The overland may be the only transport running after this pandemic as the airlines will be shot.
"freightgate"


The airlines will be back as soon as the bug is dead and returning to +80% within a few months on core previously most profitable routes! Tourist routes will take longer as people will not have money nor holidays left to use.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Yesterday could well be the last time it runs, from today all indian pacific, ghan & Overland services are suspended until May 31. On the jbr website
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

An update on the SA border restrictions. The ABC report said nothing about rail, but the InDaily report says the interstate rail terminal will have a SAPOL checkpoint in place by 4pm Tuesday (presumably only manned for train arrivals) and people arriving will be required to self isolate.

Hopefully they will also be checking temperatures and putting people with an elevated temperature under a government supervised isolation (perhaps using some of the accomodation places that are currently experiencing low occupancy) until they return at least two negative tests for COVID-19.

It looks like Journey Beyond have decided they will not run the Monday/Tuesday service. I'm not surprised, they probably couldn't get enough staff to agree to spend 11 hours sealed in a steel petri dish.

The overland may be the only transport running after this pandemic as the airlines will be shot.
freightgate
LOL.

The airlines will be reconstituted and will return to being profitable, but the Overland will remain dead.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Here is the link to Journey Beyond Rail.

https://journeybeyondrail.com.au/covid-19-update/
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Here is the link to Journey Beyond Rail.

https://journeybeyondrail.com.au/covid-19-update/
Jack Le Lievre
I'm confused - the website is still taking bookings for the last three return Overland trains but the press release said unequivocally that all services were cancelled.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It seems at this stage that the last regular Overland train service ran on 21/3/2020 after some 140 years of service; the actual date has already passed us by.

Vale The Overland.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
It looks like Journey Beyond have decided they will not run the Monday/Tuesday service. I'm not surprised, they probably couldn't get enough staff to agree to spend 11 hours sealed in a steel petri dish.

justapassenger

As of yesterday the staff had no qualms and were looking forward to running the last three return trains. Nice to know there are still a handful of rational people left in the world.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

The airlines will be reconstituted and will return to being profitable, but the Overland will remain dead.
justapassenger
Has Virgin managed that at all since the Virgin Blue days?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
So I was right, the Overland is such a necessary form of transport that forget being full, the final ‘service’ didn’t even run.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Off to Sims with it...
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
GSR once allowed for longer overland services at certain times of the year.  They have not been answering the market demand of the changing patterns of travellers.  They have done the same to the IP between Adelaide and Sydney.
bevans
GSR could still allow for longer services if viable, but adding length to a train which isn't already fully subscribed is just to spend money for no return.

They have not been answering market demand because there is no market, forget the market's demands, no market makes no demands.

Honestly, you rode the Overland just recently, but honestly, if you didn't think that might have been your last opportunity to likely ever use the 'service' again would you have made that trip? I note that it was one way, how did you get to Adelaide, and why didn't you rail it both ways?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It looks like Journey Beyond have decided they will not run the Monday/Tuesday service. I'm not surprised, they probably couldn't get enough staff to agree to spend 11 hours sealed in a steel petri dish.

As of yesterday the staff had no qualms and were looking forward to running the last three return trains. Nice to know there are still a handful of rational people left in the world.
bingley hall
I really want to agree with you, but I am wondering if rationality here isn't being confused with a brave face. I have a mate that's a steward for Emirates, he was happy to continue flying, but he says he is infinitely happier to be grounded in Dubai than to be flying right now, even on only a partial wage in a very expensive city.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Weren't you implying in another thread that we were overreacting.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don’t think I implied it, I pretty much stated it. Not sure I am saying much different here.

COVID-19 is undoubtably bad, and I think the shutdown is still an overreaction at this point, but I also think there are a lot of people that are worried, but they still turn up to work etc because the alternative is to do not much at all.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I don’t think I implied it, I pretty much stated it. Not sure I am saying much different here.

COVID-19 is undoubtably bad, and I think the shutdown is still an overreaction at this point, but I also think there are a lot of people that are worried, but they still turn up to work etc because the alternative is to do not much at all.
Aaron
Who cares what you think about COVID-19!  Let the experts guide us.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
ADELAIDE railway station for interstate services will have a checkpoint setup just like theb12 roads will have.

You don’t need a checkpoint if there aren’t trains.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Train rumoured to be returning on 1 June.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I don’t think I implied it, I pretty much stated it. Not sure I am saying much different here.

COVID-19 is undoubtably bad, and I think the shutdown is still an overreaction at this point, but I also think there are a lot of people that are worried, but they still turn up to work etc because the alternative is to do not much at all.
Who cares what you think about COVID-19!  Let the experts guide us.
nswtrains
Unless its climate change Laughing
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
That was the whimpiest whimper to ever whimper.

Poor bastard didn't even get to have a proper last service.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
That was the whimpiest whimper to ever whimper.

Poor bastard didn't even get to have a proper last service.
"stooge spark"
After what had become of it since its glory days, I think it's somehow appropriate that it just fades away.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I don’t think I implied it, I pretty much stated it. Not sure I am saying much different here.

COVID-19 is undoubtably bad, and I think the shutdown is still an overreaction at this point, but I also think there are a lot of people that are worried, but they still turn up to work etc because the alternative is to do not much at all.
Who cares what you think about COVID-19!  Let the experts guide us.
nswtrains
Well actually, in all fairness to Aaron, I did ask.

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