16 ES40ACDBI Locomotives for sale

 
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Adds for these units starting to circulate
http://www.sterlingrail.com/classifieds/classified.php?id=25061
The purchaser was probably more tuned to the needs of his camels and concubines, left the locos rusting on the wharf

Port of Khoms, 32°40'30.87" N  14°15'00.15" E

On Google Image paste قاطرات الخمس for photos

Never used but one would imagine smeg condition

Remove around 7 tonnes and ideal for double stack routes here?

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  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
I wouldn't want to be the one going there to inspect them!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

SCT looked at getting GEVO based locos which they could use between Parkes/Adelaide and Perth.

They rejected it in the end as the inconvenience of having a micro-fleet with restricted availability outweighed the advantages.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
SCT looked at getting GEVO based locos which they could use between Parkes/Adelaide and Perth.

They rejected it in the end as the inconvenience of having a micro-fleet with restricted availability outweighed the advantages.
justapassenger
There's enough spare high hourspower locos out there it seems they should be able to manage, unless they get new work, in which case that might fund some more loco's. More of what they have is probably easiest for fleet management.
  Noelwb123 Station Master

When Inland Rail is completed, which theoretically will be in 2025, the only Capital city without double stacking capability will be Sydney. In those circumstances I can foresee that loco's like the Indian Railways 5,500 GM and 6000 hp GE being attractive to operators. Those westerly winds to Perth swallow a lot of horsepower. They are not significantly bigger or heavier than what runs here but they are probably a little too wide.
You wouldn't be able to run them to Sydney but I would imagine operators will run single stack shuttles to and from Inland Rails hubs like Parkes.
Noel
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
When Inland Rail is completed, which theoretically will be in 2025, the only Capital city without double stacking capability will be Sydney. In those circumstances I can foresee that loco's like the Indian Railways 5,500 GM and 6000 hp GE being attractive to operators. Those westerly winds to Perth swallow a lot of horsepower. They are not significantly bigger or heavier than what runs here but they are probably a little too wide.
You wouldn't be able to run them to Sydney but I would imagine operators will run single stack shuttles to and from Inland Rails hubs like Parkes.
Noel
Noelwb123
GE AC6000CW was considered a failure by the Operators and almost all were re-engined and reclassified to ES46ACi (4600hp), ES44ACi (4400hp) or AC46AH (4600hp) depending on the Operator, within a decade. BHP scrapped theirs after replacing them with SD70ACe which are 4600hp.

It was discussed in the "NSW EPA trying to put the brakes on rail freight" thread that the GE ES40ACi or ES44ACi could be the future for GE in Australia built to suit Australia's current loading gauge and the GT46C-ACe for E.M.D. is more than suitable for Australia's needs.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

They look a lot like a 1980's MZ. I wonder if you get a view from the dunny.
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich
When Inland Rail is completed, which theoretically will be in 2025, the only Capital city without double stacking capability will be Sydney. In those circumstances I can foresee that loco's like the Indian Railways 5,500 GM and 6000 hp GE being attractive to operators. Those westerly winds to Perth swallow a lot of horsepower. They are not significantly bigger or heavier than what runs here but they are probably a little too wide.
You wouldn't be able to run them to Sydney but I would imagine operators will run single stack shuttles to and from Inland Rails hubs like Parkes.
Noel
GE AC6000CW was considered a failure by the Operators and almost all were re-engined and reclassified to ES46ACi (4600hp), ES44ACi (4400hp) or AC46AH (4600hp) depending on the Operator, within a decade. BHP scrapped theirs after replacing them with SD70ACe which are 4600hp.

It was discussed in the "NSW EPA trying to put the brakes on rail freight" thread that the GE ES40ACi or ES44ACi could be the future for GE in Australia built to suit Australia's current loading gauge and the GT46C-ACe for E.M.D. is more than suitable for Australia's needs.
Jack Le Lievre
maybe he was referring to the newer build ES58 / WDG-6G units bought by Vale & India railways in the last few years. How are these doing? Maybe they learnt from the AC6000?
  Noelwb123 Station Master

Thank you "arctic" for clarifying my post. Yes I am referring to the Indian Rail WDG - 5 which is an EMD 710 - 20 powered locomotive introduced in 2015 producing 5,500 hp. I don't believe there have been any significant reliability issues with this motor. The earlier EMD 6000 hp 265H 4 stroke locomotives referred to by others in previous posts were not known for their reliability, however I believe there are still some of the originals in use in the USA and many have been built under license in China and are clearly quite successfully used on China's railways.
The Indian Rail WDG - 6, 6000 hp GE locomotive introduced in 2019 uses a 16 cylinder Evolution motor  The much earlier GE 6000 hp locomotives used by BHP and others did not use this motor and like the 265H were not known for reliability.
Both of the Indian locomotive types are larger than our loading gauge but only slightly and of course they have all the latest technology features.
Noel
  M636C Minister for Railways

The much earlier GE 6000 hp locomotives used by BHP and others did not use this motor and like the 265H were not known for reliability.

All eight of BHP's AC6000CW locomotives had their 16-HDL engines replaced by GEVO-16 engines during 2006.
The sound of the GEVO was quite different to the earlier HDL due to the different construction of the crankcase.

Of course, since they were all scrapped in 2014, that isn't really relevant.
BHP had decided that they weren't reliable enough and wanted an all EMD operation.

Peter
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Adds for these units starting to circulate
http://www.sterlingrail.com/classifieds/classified.php?id=25061
The purchaser was probably more tuned to the needs of his camels and concubines, left the locos rusting on the wharf

Port of Khoms, 32°40'30.87" N  14°15'00.15" E

On Google Image paste قاطرات الخمس for photos

Never used but one would imagine smeg condition

Remove around 7 tonnes and ideal for double stack routes here?
jmt
These were brought by the  Gadaffi Government for a project in 2008 The construction of a new national rail system in Libya (the Italian era 950mm network closed in the 60s and was scrapped, no operational rail ever since). It was Cancelled as a result of the Civil war breaking out a few years later and never resumed by the new government, probably due to continued political instability and civil conflict. The government is probably trying to get some extra cash I'd imagine.

https://www.dw.com/en/libyas-train-project-remains-off-the-rails/a-19565824

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Libya#2013
  Noelwb123 Station Master

The last post reminded me of the 6 "new" EMD 16 710 powered South African passenger locomotives for sale by auction by WH Auctions. These were the subject of a thread "Locomotive Auction" six months or so ago. I checked the auction website and as I understand it the auction is still open and the highest bid is SA R7000,000 each . According to Mr Google that is approx $613,000 Australian dollars! Now if you paid $1M A each and spent an extra $1.5M A each on getting them inside the Australian loading gauge, on new/refurbished regeared traction motors, new control systems and an extra seat in the cab you would end up with an as new, 4000 hp modern freight locomotive for A $2.5M. That's a cheap locomotive!
Now I realise that life is not that simple and I have plucked the modification budget figures out of the air but how much would it cost to do what I have suggested.
I believe there are people on this forum who may know and be able to contribute with real world experience.
Noel
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

The last post reminded me of the 6 "new" EMD 16 710 powered South African passenger locomotives for sale by auction by WH Auctions. These were the subject of a thread "Locomotive Auction" six months or so ago. I checked the auction website and as I understand it the auction is still open and the highest bid is SA R7000,000 each . According to Mr Google that is approx $613,000 Australian dollars! Now if you paid $1M A each and spent an extra $1.5M A each on getting them inside the Australian loading gauge, on new/refurbished regeared traction motors, new control systems and an extra seat in the cab you would end up with an as new, 4000 hp modern freight locomotive for A $2.5M. That's a cheap locomotive!
Now I realise that life is not that simple and I have plucked the modification budget figures out of the air but how much would it cost to do what I have suggested.
I believe there are people on this forum who may know and be able to contribute with real world experience.
Noel
Noelwb123
13 Afro in total 4000 were imported before the excreta hit the fan.

Read from "Height constraint tests" onward.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_Afro_4000

4010 suffered severe damage in a derailment 18/08/2015.

All 13 units were returned to the Lessor, with the Lessor subsequently deemed insolvent.

The Receiver for Swifambo Rail Leasing auctioned all 13 locos in mid 2018.

It is believed that 6 plus the wreck 4010 were sold, with 6 passed in.

The 6 passed in units are the ones currently being auctioned.

In the new South Africa, some Government Departments ignore court rulings and decisions if not in their favor.
PRASA has a history of ignoring Court orders.

The Afro 4000 debacle will be long and drawn out.

This is Dr. Daniel Mthimkhulu, PRASA's illustrious CME who "designed" the locos.
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/doctored-qualifications-dr-daniel-mthimkhulu-ordered-to-pay-prasa-back-r57m-20190923
A classic example of a Marxist/Socialist party appointing one of their favored sons or sycophants into plumb high paying positions.

The 7 undelivered units are plainly visible in the Google Earth image of the Stadler Valencia complex.

Look at the spec in the above Wikipedia link.
These units will be nigh on useless for freight in their current form.
4260 HP, however equipped with D43 traction motors, incapable of absorbing more than 3300 HP.
I doubt if freight trains require HEP.
So do you rebuild as AC/AC, or flog the 16-710, and replace with a rebuilt 16-645?

Rumour that the 7 previously sold went to loco hire contractor Traxtion, and 6 will be hired to the TAZARA.
  Noelwb123 Station Master

Given that GWA has just sold a number of 3000 hp EMD locomotives to SSR, it would be reasonable to suggest that there may not be great for that level of horsepower.
I think you would keep the 710, more horsepower, better economy and probably more in demand, but I suspect you would need a different control system as well as different traction motors and perhaps bogies.
Once you have done all that would they still be cheap?
Noel
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Given that GWA has just sold a number of 3000 hp EMD locomotives to SSR, it would be reasonable to suggest that there may not be great for that level of horsepower.
I think you would keep the 710, more horsepower, better economy and probably more in demand, but I suspect you would need a different control system as well as different traction motors and perhaps bogies.
Once you have done all that would they still be cheap?
Noel
"Noelwb123"

GWA did not sell the CLP and CLF Units to them Apex, a South African broker did who brought them from Aurizon did. They still have all there units.

A classic example of a Marxist/Socialist party appointing one of their favored sons or sycophants into plumb high paying positions.
"jmt"

WTF, I love the modern ANC now?

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