Car Numbers and Sets?

 
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Fireman

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
I've been looking for a source of information stating which carriages are with which set numbers and which cars are in storage.
I need this data for as many sets as possible for a new site I'm working on.

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  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

I've been looking for a source of information stating which carriages are with which set numbers and which cars are in storage.
I need this data for as many sets as possible for a new site I'm working on.
Sydney Metro Vlogs
For Waratahs, the last two numbers of the car correspond to the set number (both A and B). Only change is D6379 replacing D6342 on A42 as it was damaged at Richmond in 2018.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that D6479 is also a spare car for the A fleet, held in reserve. I'm not sure if the B fleet has any spares.

D6379 and D6479 are from the original PPTV (4-cars) test train for the original Waratah order.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

I'm sure that Wikipedia has this information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CityRail_fleet as for previous older sets Wikipedia is your best friend, use it wisely Smile

EDIT: You can also obtain plan drawings or data sheets they do have fleet numbers printed or written on the sheets!
The only place that I know of, that you can obtain these is from the Coals to Newcastle "MSTS website" found under documents https://www.coalstonewcastle.com.au/
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Fireman

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
I'm sure that Wikipedia has this information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CityRail_fleet as for previous older sets Wikipedia is your best friend, use it wisely Smile
cityrail-rulez
The problem is that, for example, the first Tangara car, D6101, is on T20 and not on T1.
Thanks anyway.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

I'm sure that Wikipedia has this information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CityRail_fleet as for previous older sets Wikipedia is your best friend, use it wisely Smile
The problem is that, for example, the first Tangara car, D6101, is on T20 and not on T1.
Thanks anyway.
Sydney Metro Vlogs
Very true! The Tangara's are just oddly numbered lol Laughing
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

https://nswtrains.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Sydney_Trains/NSW_TrainLink_fleets
I compiled this list for the NSW Railways Wiki, after thoroughly reading over a list of car numbers (from a 2016 post on a Wix website, but updated to current status as some placements changed since then).

Waratahs (both A and B variants) are the easiest to identify, as the last two digits always correspond with the set numbers. Car numbers on A/B sets are written as follows:

A sets: D63?? - N53?? - N55?? - T65?? - T66?? - N56?? - N54?? - D64??
B sets: D11?? - N17?? - N19?? - T13?? - T14?? - N18?? - N16?? - D12??

The sole exception is prototype car D6379, on A42, which is filling in for D6342. That car is said to still be with Downer EDI, but it’s status is currently unknown.

M set cars are usually in a set order, with M1 having the four oldest cars through to M35 having the four newest cars. H sets also follow a similar pattern but with exceptions for some sets.

The Tangara, K, C and V set carriages are a weird case, as they aren’t as easy to identify a set unless if you know exactly which cars that set has. Some Tangara consists are also mismatched or have swapped a carriage out with another.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

https://nswtrains.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Sydney_Trains/NSW_TrainLink_fleets
I compiled this list for the NSW Railways Wiki, after thoroughly reading over a list of car numbers (from a 2016 post on a Wix website, but updated to current status as some placements changed since then).

Waratahs (both A and B variants) are the easiest to identify, as the last two digits always correspond with the set numbers. Car numbers on A/B sets are written as follows:

A sets: D63?? - N53?? - N55?? - T65?? - T66?? - N56?? - N54?? - D64??
B sets: D11?? - N17?? - N19?? - T13?? - T14?? - N18?? - N16?? - D12??

The sole exception is prototype car D6379, on A42, which is filling in for D6342. That car is said to still be with Downer EDI, but it’s status is currently unknown.

M set cars are usually in a set order, with M1 having the four oldest cars through to M35 having the four newest cars. H sets also follow a similar pattern but with exceptions for some sets.

The Tangara, K, C and V set carriages are a weird case, as they aren’t as easy to identify a set unless if you know exactly which cars that set has. Some Tangara consists are also mismatched or have swapped a carriage out with another.
Nichole the Otter
You wouldn't happen to know if there are any spare cars for the B fleet of Waratahs? And I had this little formula to devise the set number from a Mill's car, but I've forgotten where I put it. If i can find it, or remember it, I'll put it up here
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

No spare B set cars as far as I’m aware. For the A sets, the aforementioned D6479 is in storage, as well as Tangara driving trailers D6249 and D6823, previously from ex-ATP sets T13 and T103 respectively. I also saw two V set driver cars at Unipart recently with the previous “Intercity” livery, which I have no idea what they are for.

When T13 and T103 returned to service in July this year, D6252 replaced D6249, while D6841 replaced D6823.
  sunnyyan Station Master
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Why not refer to the Thread:-

Car Lookup: An easy way to match car numbers with set numbers !

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11400752.htm
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

This is a up to date list of sets and car numbers, compiled by me, also with notes included for certain sets: https://nswtrains.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Sydney_Trains/NSW_TrainLink_fleets
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Fireman

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
No spare B set cars as far as I’m aware. For the A sets, the aforementioned D6479 is in storage, as well as Tangara driving trailers D6249 and D6823, previously from ex-ATP sets T13 and T103 respectively. I also saw two V set driver cars at Unipart recently with the previous “Intercity” livery, which I have no idea what they are for.

When T13 and T103 returned to service in July this year, D6252 replaced D6249, while D6841 replaced D6823.
Nichole the Otter
I think the V set cars were withdrawn following an incident. They've been there since at least 2014.
  newbieSGT Beginner

Hi there,

Saw Nicole the Otter post below that says Waratahs are A Sets & B Sets?

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 Nichole the Otter
[color=#0066cc]https://nswtrains.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Sydney_Trains/NSW_...
I compiled this list for the NSW Railways Wiki, after thoroughly reading over a list of car numbers (from a 2016 post on a Wix website, but updated to current status as some placements changed since then).

Waratahs (both A and B variants) are the easiest to identify, as the last two digits always correspond with the set numbers. Car numbers on A/B sets..."
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I thought A Sets are Waratah and B Sets are SGT (even though B Set are based substantially on A Sets)?
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Hi there,

Saw Nicole the Otter post below that says Waratahs are A Sets & B Sets?

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 Nichole the Otter
[color=#0066cc]https://nswtrains.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Sydney_Trains/NSW_...
I compiled this list for the NSW Railways Wiki, after thoroughly reading over a list of car numbers (from a 2016 post on a Wix website, but updated to current status as some placements changed since then).

Waratahs (both A and B variants) are the easiest to identify, as the last two digits always correspond with the set numbers. Car numbers on A/B sets..."
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I thought A Sets are Waratah and B Sets are SGT (even though B Set are based substantially on A Sets)?
newbieSGT
A sets are Waratah's. B sets are a continuation of the A set design (they were known as SGT during their development) but by the time they were launched, they were called "Waratah Series 2" - the A and B sets have a 90% similarity in their design, so it made sense to label them both Waratahs.
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

Not very up to date, but see https://trackrecordfl.wixsite.com/trackrecordfl/fleet-lists
sunnyyan
That list is from 2016, so some details are now outdated. If you look at T14 and T121's consists, they were listed with their original consists they had prior to the carriage switcheroo with D6252/N5252 and D6808/N5854 (and later D6148 taking D6252's place) that happened in 2018, not long before D6807 came back from its long hiatus.
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
No spare B set cars as far as I’m aware. For the A sets, the aforementioned D6479 is in storage, as well as Tangara driving trailers D6249 and D6823, previously from ex-ATP sets T13 and T103 respectively. I also saw two V set driver cars at Unipart recently with the previous “Intercity” livery, which I have no idea what they are for.

When T13 and T103 returned to service in July this year, D6252 replaced D6249, while D6841 replaced D6823.
I think the V set cars were withdrawn following an incident. They've been there since at least 2014.
Sydney Metro Vlogs
One of the 2 V set carriages there, one is a DCM carriage, previously there were 4 there with three being DCM and DCT carriages. The second DCM and the DCT were moved to the Goulburn correctional facility for training purposes in 2018.
The other carriage is DIM 8020, formerly carriage DIM 8067 that was partially destroyed in the Glenbrook crash of 1999, then rebuilt, put back in service, retired, put at the Petersham training centre with the last DMT (First series) carriage, moved to Flemington depot as a parts donor and finally put at maintrain (Unipart) in 2010
The DIM was retired due to crew concerns and brake problems while the DCMs and DCT were retired around 2012 when most of the DC series carriages were retired after replacement by the OSCars
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
A sets are Waratah's. B sets are a continuation of the A set design (they were known as SGT during their development) but by the time they were launched, they were called "Waratah Series 2" - the A and B sets have a 90% similarity in their design, so it made sense to label them both Waratahs.
SupremeLeaderSmeagol


A B Set is an A Set in drag, with very few changes to the set. They're still yellow on the end (under the wrap that they're in), and they're still the same body. There weren't many changes.

Have no idea why people disagree with you.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

A sets are Waratah's. B sets are a continuation of the A set design (they were known as SGT during their development) but by the time they were launched, they were called "Waratah Series 2" - the A and B sets have a 90% similarity in their design, so it made sense to label them both Waratahs.


A B Set is an A Set in drag, with very few changes to the set. They're still yellow on the end (under the wrap that they're in), and they're still the same body. There weren't many changes.

Have no idea why people disagree with you.
s3_gunzel
It appears that a few LCD screens are all you need to have a completely different class of train. Never mind that nearly every other aspect of the SGT Waratah's (B) are identical to the A set order!

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