The corona virus COVID-19

 
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I imagine when it does come to removing lockdown measures, they will do it little by little, I.E Open up cafes/restaurant's/cinemas for a month, if the infection rate comes down, then reopen some more, if they shoot up, close again.
lsrailfan
Broad terms were outlined by Greg Hunt yesterday

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-13/coronavirus-greg-hunt-lockdown-social-distancing-isolation/12144576

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  rxclass Junior Train Controller

Location: On the manual turntable at Marino turning an exquisite Rx class steam locomotive.
I imagine when it does come to removing lockdown measures, they will do it little by little, I.E Open up cafes/restaurant's/cinemas for a month, if the infection rate comes down, then reopen some more, if they shoot up, close again.
lsrailfan
G'day all,

Article in today's Australian newspaper suggested the possible reopen will depend on what type of employment you are in:-

1] Jobs where social distance can be maintained.
2] Controlled gatherings in parks, beaches etc.
3] Travel within a state and eventually between states.
4] Subject to no increase in infection, reopen cafes etc.

The article went on to say that as it will be almost impossible to eradicate this virus, our borders (airline and cruise ships) will have to remain closed for a year or even 2+ years.

Regards,
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Well done to eBay for deleting this man's account, and to Drakes for refusing a refund.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-15/supermarket-shopper-tries-to-return-coronavirus-hoardings/12149548

The only disappointing thing is that the man hasn't been named and shamed.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Well done to eBay for deleting this man's account, and to Drakes for refusing a refund.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-15/supermarket-shopper-tries-to-return-coronavirus-hoardings/12149548

The only disappointing thing is that the man hasn't been named and shamed.
justapassenger
Ain’t karma great.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

South Australia's latest numbers as of this afternoon:

Cumulative total: 433 (0 new cases today)

Active cases: 150 (1 in ICU)

Concluded cases: 283 (279 recoveries, 4 deaths)
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The UK are apparently not counting the number of deaths in nursing homes from the virus.

That's a win for the economic rationalists.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
The UK are apparently not counting the number of deaths in nursing homes from the virus.

That's a win for the economic rationalists.
bingley hall
Yes, I don't understand that at all, why would that be the case ?
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
South Australia's latest numbers as of this afternoon:

Cumulative total: 433 (0 new cases today)

Active cases: 150 (1 in ICU)

Concluded cases: 283 (279 recoveries, 4 deaths)
justapassenger
150 out of more than a million, and yet most of us are prisoners in our own accommodation, with cops patrolling literally every street 24/7 looking for any movement. These restrictions are insane in my opinion.

I really hope they don't become permanent, but it's bloody overkill.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
150 out of more than a million, and yet most of us are prisoners in our own accommodation, with cops patrolling literally every street 24/7 looking for any movement. These restrictions are insane in my opinion.

I really hope they don't become permanent, but it's bloody overkill.
ARG706
150 cases out of more than a million because most of us are prisoners in our own homes. That figure works out to 0.015%. Of course, if you want to go out 'n' about, like New York did, fill your boots. Their rate is 0.629% (118K cases, 18.8M pop), 40 times higher, and I suspect it will increase.  And let's not mention their fatality rate...

I don't like it anymore than the next bloke, but it is working. The numbers don't lie.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The UK are apparently not counting the number of deaths in nursing homes from the virus.

That's a win for the economic rationalists.
bingley hall
Boomer Remover at work!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The UK are apparently not counting the number of deaths in nursing homes from the virus.

That's a win for the economic rationalists.
Yes, I don't understand that at all, why would that be the case ?
lsrailfan
The rationale given is that they only have accurate numbers for deaths in hospitals so that is all they are reporting. That's bullsh¡t of course, but it's what they are saying.

If they have indeed lost count then it would be preferable that they make some sort of honest admission of that instead. Perhaps something along the lines of HOLY C®AP WE HAVE SO MANY NURSING HOME RESIDENTS DYING OF COVID THAT WE CAN'T KEEP COUNT, IT'S OFFICIALLY TIME TO PPPPAAAANNNNIIIIIIIICCCCCC!!!11!!!1!!
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
So it's probably fair to assume that COVID-19 has killed close to 200,000 people, when you take into account, as well as the complete BS from China.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Complete BS from China? Why should I believe you rather than them? How you you know? Privy to some top secret info are you?
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Complete BS from China? Why should I believe you rather than them? How you you know? Privy to some top secret info are you?
billybaxter
I actually am privy to some top secret info, but it's all secret squirrel stuff RazzRazz
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Complete BS from China? Why should I believe you rather than them? How you you know? Privy to some top secret info are you?
billybaxter
Because the Chinese government lies repeatedly about everything. All the time.

In fact we wouldn't even be in this mess if they'd been honest about the outbreak before Xmas... but because of the Communist Party's pathological lying they couldn't tell the truth to the rest of the world until it was well and truly too late.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I actually am privy to some top secret info, but it's all secret squirrel stuff
"lsrailfan"
Secret squirrel stuff = All Nuts.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Complete BS from China? Why should I believe you rather than them? How you you know? Privy to some top secret info are you?
Because the Chinese government lies repeatedly about everything. All the time.

In fact we wouldn't even be in this mess if they'd been honest about the outbreak before Xmas... but because of the Communist Party's pathological lying they couldn't tell the truth to the rest of the world until it was well and truly too late.
don_dunstan
Anyone else see a common link between silence, BS and politicians?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Complete BS from China? Why should I believe you rather than them? How you you know? Privy to some top secret info are you?
Because the Chinese government lies repeatedly about everything. All the time.

In fact we wouldn't even be in this mess if they'd been honest about the outbreak before Xmas... but because of the Communist Party's pathological lying they couldn't tell the truth to the rest of the world until it was well and truly too late.
Anyone else see a common link between silence, BS and politicians?
michaelgm
We have some small protections against a totalitarian despotic government in Australia, the United States etc in that we have:
  • Independent judiciary
  • Relative freedom of the media
  • The right to freedom of expression.
Imagine the Aussie government trying to keep under wraps the true situation regarding a deadly virus outbreak in one part of the country? For better or for worse the media would be all over it and the public would want to know.

The opposite happened in China because of their government's absolute control over sources of information - and even when things started to come out in Wuhan about the deadly and virulent nature of COVID the Communist Party chose to silence and obfuscate the medical information coming out about it until the thing had already spread to the rest of China - Italy, Iran etc.

Why there isn't more outrage from the international community towards the Chinese Communist Party is beyond me - they are criminally negligent in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people across the globe not to mention however many of their own people - we'll probably never know the real figure being China. In addition they completely destroyed global trade and caused the upending of the globalist trade system from which they themselves benefited. Stupid, incapable of reacting to crisis or adapting to change - their very system prevents it from happening.

Communist governments are a dangerous anathema in this day and age and we need to treat them as such.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Wuhan to their credit, have actually revised up their death toll today by about 1,300, these are due to previously unreported cases, or mistakenly classified deaths, China's total still remains below 5,000.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Wuhan to their credit, have actually revised up their death toll today by about 1,300, these are due to previously unreported cases, or mistakenly classified deaths, China's total still remains below 5,000.
"lsrailfan"
China's claimed total...

Does a country with a population of nearly 1.5 billion people having less than 5000 deaths really come across as legitimate? New York City has recorded double that, with a population of "only" 18 million.

Occam's razor still applies. Either China was extraordinarily lucky and got it under control and their numbers are legiti. Or...They are lying about their figures and their true death toll remains much higher, albeit hidden under the veil of secrecy that is the hallmark of the ruling party.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Australia has fewer deaths per million than China. Must be hiding something too. And as China points out, Western countries can't even produce enough masks, ventilators etc. to protect their own populations, we need to get it from China! Wouldn't have happened if we hadn't been happy to run our manufacturing industries into the ground in return for a handful of cheap tat. China could say nobody died, that a few people had a bad cough, we'd be outraged at their baldfaced lies, but we'd forget it in a wink once we saw that $2 screwdriver, the cheap shiny 4x4 or whatever other low priced trinket we never needed in the first place.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Wuhan to their credit, have actually revised up their death toll today by about 1,300, these are due to previously unreported cases, or mistakenly classified deaths, China's total still remains below 5,000.
China's claimed total...

Does a country with a population of nearly 1.5 billion people having less than 5000 deaths really come across as legitimate? New York City has recorded double that, with a population of "only" 18 million.

Occam's razor still applies. Either China was extraordinarily lucky and got it under control and their numbers are legiti. Or...They are lying about their figures and their true death toll remains much higher, albeit hidden under the veil of secrecy that is the hallmark of the ruling party.
KRviator
I agree with that, I was just merely pointing out what I read.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Wuhan to their credit, have actually revised up their death toll today by about 1,300, these are due to previously unreported cases, or mistakenly classified deaths, China's total still remains below 5,000.
"lsrailfan"
China's claimed total...

Does a country with a population of nearly 1.5 billion people having less than 5000 deaths really come across as legitimate? New York City has recorded double that, with a population of "only" 18 million.

Occam's razor still applies. Either China was extraordinarily lucky and got it under control and their numbers are legiti. Or...They are lying about their figures and their true death toll remains much higher, albeit hidden under the veil of secrecy that is the hallmark of the ruling party.
"KRviator"


To give China some credit, they have the ability to lock the country down over night without concern for people still going to the beach of cafe's due to their greater civil obedience ( also known as repression). So yes I do expect China, once they decided to act, were able to act quickly and thus contain the spread at a faster rate than say Australia. China has also been down this path before, so they have some experience on what worked last time.
  rxclass Junior Train Controller

Location: On the manual turntable at Marino turning an exquisite Rx class steam locomotive.
To give China some credit, they have the ability to lock the country down over night without concern for people still going to the beach of cafe's due to their greater civil obedience ( also known as repression). So yes I do expect China, once they decided to act, were able to act quickly and thus contain the spread at a faster rate than say Australia. China has also been down this path before, so they have some experience on what worked last time.
RTT_Rules
G'day all.

Many, many years ago in a daily newspaper I read a 2 paragraph news item that stated that China was going to construct 15 nuclear reactors. Because they required large volume of cooling water they were to be built in heavily populated coastal regions.

The second paragraph said: "the government expects no opposition to there construction". End of story.

I do not think there is a Chinese token for protests.

Regards,
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
No Chinese token for protests? What is that supposed to mean?

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