Tangara Technology Upgrade

 
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Yeah. Figured. Social Media Influencers are not a reliable source. Try again when you talk to someone who is actually on the project.

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  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

T76 is confirmed to be at Unipart for TTU. It was Phil (Sydney Trains Vlogs) who informed me on Facebook.
And has Phil been inside Unipart's workshops by any chance? Have any of us been inside Unipart?

Remember Facebook isn't exactly credible. The only facts are that T72 and T106 have been upgraded, they have been testing, and they still are testing.

Now, T72 and T106 are signed to run under test until June this year. Do you think they'll finally be put into service, or shall the Holy Waiver be extended (again).
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Yeah. Figured. Social Media Influencers are not a reliable source. Try again when you talk to someone who is actually on the project.
s3_gunzel
Do we know anyone on the project?
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
This whole thing shares many similarities with the recent 3801 overhaul, all the people working on it have quite likely been told to keep their mouths shut leaving everything up to speculation while the project goes through massive problems and delays

We just need to wait and let everything pan out, one day it will happen
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
If only foamers had patience. Rolling Eyes
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

I swear if T72 and T106’s re-entry into service gets delayed again... but let’s hope this is the last of their testing to worry about. Hopefully T76’s upgrade (along with D6249/D6823) fitting won’t take as long as the other two considering all the sets they have to work on.

And I spotted yet another Hornsby set today with a red Mortdale set plate, T77. The way to tell their depot base is now more confusing than ever!
Nichole the Otter
I would rather a delayed launch into revenue service, but have no issues as opposed to rushing them in only to realise there's some issue that could be deadly. T72/T106 could also be being used for crew familiarisation. No good having trains if there's no-one to upgrade them.

Furthermore, T76+D6249+D6823 have not been confirmed to be in the shops, so let us stick to the facts on this thread.
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
T76 is confirmed to be at Unipart for TTU. It was Phil (Sydney Trains Vlogs) who informed me on Facebook.
Nichole the Otter
Maybe ask Phil where he got the information from-if it is from someone involved in the project only then will it be considered somewhat reputable


I do not mean that to be against him, I enjoy his videos but doing some amount of fact checking is extremely necessary in the internet age where anyone can post whatever without a reputable source
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
And I spotted yet another Hornsby set today with a red Mortdale set plate, T77. The way to tell their depot base is now more confusing than ever!
Nichole the Otter
I believe that there is a depot change in progress with three or four hornsby sets being permanently transferred to mortdale to provide more services on the T4
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Current Timetable, from January 5, requires the following T set Rosters:-
Sector 1 Rosters: 600 to 628, 29 x 8T sets.
Sector 3 Rosters: 101, 103 to 117, and 119, 17 x 8T sets.
South Coast Rosters: R41A & R41B, 2 x 4T sets.

There is plenty of opportunity for T sets to mix between Sector 1 and Sector 3 as shown below.

2 x 8T set Rosters start at Mortdale C.S. and finish in Sector 3.
2 x 8T set Rosters start in Sector 3 and finish at Mortdale C.S.
1 x 8T set Roster starts at Mortdale C.S. works Sector 3, and returns to Mortdale C.S.
Roster__ Starts________________________________Finishes______________________________
103         Hornsby C.S. 103A 0512 hours...……......Mortdale C.S. as 103S at 2009 hours.
111        Blacktown Gds Sdg 111A 0604 hours....Mortdale C.S. as 111R at 1927 hours.
115        Mortdale C.S. 115A 0405 hours...…….....Mortdale C.S. as 118Z at 0109 (M-Th) & 0209 (Fr).
116        Mortdale C.S. 116A 0447 hours...………..Hornsby C.S. as 116P at 0038 hours.
117        Mortdale C.S. 117A 0600 hours...………..Blacktown Gds Sdg as 117G at 1908 hours.

Exchange Cars
940 & 960         Hornsby C.S. to Mortdale C.S.
950 & 970         Mortdale C.S. to Hornsby C.S.

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The next Timetable change is due Sunday, May 24.
It is planned to replace the South Coast 2 x 4T sets with 2 x 4H sets from Maintenance.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

As someone who knows Phil and has spent many hours with him on the rails photgraphing I know that Phil is not one to just go wantonly telling people where he gets his information from especially to someone over the internet. I think you do him a great disservice by mentioning his name as your source in this case Nichole and should apologise for doing so. If he did share any information with you I bet you he won't be in the future any more.
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

I think he probably knows someone involved in the project. That’s my only thought. But please don’t attack me deliberately next time!
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
But please don’t attack me deliberately next time!
"Nichole the Otter"


None of these posts were meant to be attacks at anyone, people were just questioning the source of information to prevent misinformation
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
I think he probably knows someone involved in the project.
Nichole the Otter
You think or you know? You need to stop spouting what you think as a fact, and what you've heard seventh-hand as a fact. It's a sage lesson to learn and is not an attack on you. It's that simple.
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

I’m certain he follows projects, surely a fact. I don’t want anything to do with this thread anymore, thanks to these attacks.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
I’m certain he follows projects, surely a fact.
Nichole the Otter
You can follow projects and draw the wrong conclusion which you then spread over social media to your 'followers', who then end up posting it here. I'm sure you can appreciate us being apprehensive about believing this. You spreading it as a fact and refusing to take part in any discussions to the contrary has not assisted us in assessing the overall validity of the content you've posted.

I don’t want anything to do with this thread anymore, thanks to these attacks.
Nichole the Otter
And again; this is not an attack on you.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Back to topic; has there been any update about the Tangara Technology Upgrade? All I have seen at the moment is an extension of the Waiver (TW-204-388) permitting testing until 07/12/20.
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
I think what TfNSW needs to do in the future is to provide updates to certain projects in a similar way to how THNSW does, about 200 words, several pictures and tell what has been done

As I have stated previously, we need to just wait and let it all pan out

The worst possible thing is to rush the project, especially when some of these trains carry over 3000 people in a day, one slightly different example is the first batch of V sets, in 1968 the NSWGR submitted an order for 16 double decker interurban carriages, Comeng got the contract and rushed it in less than two years resulting in the creation of one of the most problematic trains ever to run on the NSW system, doors would not open, systems would shut down out of the blue and it was rumoured that the NSWGR threatened to sue Comeng over the defects
After that whole dilemma Comeng worked on different designs of electrical systems for about 6 years and when these new designs were released in the form of the 1977 DCM and DCT carriages they worked so well that the PTC, soon to be the SRA, ordered more and more of them for the next 10 years creating probably one of the most reliable and well liked of all NSW trains
  M636C Minister for Railways

" one of the most problematic trains ever to run on the NSW system, doors would not open, systems would shut down out of the blue and it was rumoured that the NSWGR threatened to sue Comeng over the defects"
Fortunately for Comeng, most of the problems were associated with the power equipment which the NSWGR had specified, so none of that could be blamed on the builder.

Unless I recall incorrectly, the doors were manually opened and closed by power, just like the later V sets.

Peter

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