Gippsland line timetabling

 
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
pull head in - but then I couldn't even read the time-table that you conveniently overlook.

The discussion was about  the "hamlets" and yet you bang on about Dandenong down.

Reality check -
IF the Gippy line warranted the additional $2B+ to have additional tracks on SkyRail - as per the RRL project -
then it would have similar traffic demand as Geelong + Ballarat + Bendigo.
It DOES NOT. Get over it, not enough pax in the next 30 years to come even close. Not an opportunity missed, it's wastage saved.

6 full V/Los (approx 3000 pax) in the morning peak over-taking the requirements of 30+ packed Metro (approx 40,000) - soon to be extended HCMT. That IS overblown self-importance.

I didn't say 15 minutes. I posed an unanswered question, but since you are so het up about it, some facts:
Mon-Fri UP from Traralgon to Dandenong  4:31, 5:56, 7:19 SAS = 1 hr 33, 1hr 35, 1hr 31.
Mon-Fri UP from Traralgon to Dandenong  5:26, 6:36, 7:34 limited EX = 1hr 21, 1hr 25, 1hr 35
SAS inter-peak = 1hr:30
that's approx 10 minutes difference. Tough titty, suck it up for living so far away.

BUT you could as suggested by Gippslander, just by-pass the "hamlets" of Morwell, Moe, Warragul, Drouin and run half empty - good luck with the angry mob.
Some short-starters from Warragul sounds good, BUT are there enough pax to fill it? Dubious. I don't even get how you would do an SAS in front of an EX. Wait for 2nd train to run up the backside of the front-runner ?

As for being no better than the good old days - prior RRR - then just go back to 4 trains per day (now 20), SAS @ 2hrs 09. :roll:LOL.
Some people just don't know how to say thank you for what they get.
justarider
I never suggested express trains from Traralgon, Drouin-Pakenham is the low patronage sector getting over serviced. The passenger usage on the line is heavy concentrations at Traralgon-Morwell-Moe and Warragul-Drouin, whose passenger numbers dwarf the minor stations. If you look at comparable routes like Ballarat and Bendigo, all the minor stops are long gone. And don't forget that Gippsland has to co exist with 70km of metro running unlike the others. Smart timetabling can deliver a better solution for all travellers - the real issue is that the eastern corridor is complex and needs something better than just run interurban to Traralgon and back. That is 1950s thinking.

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


Raising the line speed above 80 is also in Metro interest. A SAS is not going to manage in the shorter sections, however longer parts ( > 2km) would get a definite boost. Express Caulfield to the Portal/Richmond @ 130+ kph is a worthy goal for both services.


cheers
John
justarider
The MATHS corridor for the Dandenong tracks Is riddled with 60 km/h curves as It wiggles past stations.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last


BUT you could as suggested by Gippslander, just by-pass the "hamlets" of Morwell, Moe, Warragul, Drouin and run half empty - good luck with the angry mob.
Some short-starters from Warragul sounds good, BUT are there enough pax to fill it? Dubious. I don't even get how you would do an SAS in front of an EX. Wait for 2nd train to run up the backside of the front-runner ?
I never suggested express trains from Traralgon, Drouin-Pakenham is the low patronage sector getting over serviced. The passenger usage on the line is heavy concentrations at Traralgon-Morwell-Moe and Warragul-Drouin, whose passenger numbers dwarf the minor stations. If you look at comparable routes like Ballarat and Bendigo, all the minor stops are long gone. And don't forget that Gippsland has to co exist with 70km of metro running unlike the others. Smart timetabling can deliver a better solution for all travellers - the real issue is that the eastern corridor is complex and needs something better than just run interurban to Traralgon and back. That is 1950s thinking.
gippslander
@gippslander I did stretch you advocacy of express services way beyond your own words. For that I apologize.

Minor stops is something we differ on. Ballarat is a case in point where "minor" morphed into such places as Cobblebank, Rockbank, Ballan with urban sprawl.

Bunyip & Nar Nar Goon themselves are a similar size to Ballan. Their turn will come, so I don't see justification to wipe the "minor" stations off the map yet.

Having said that, half the morning peak services already by-pass the minors.
I suspect Garfield will also lose it's reason to stop for EX once the track duplication is done.

Afternoon peak is a whole different question, and you do have a case for half of them to be EX. Makes no sense at present

The rest of this thread has morphed into a discussion on the merits of V/Line sharing with Metro, which can't help your concerns beyond Pakenham one way or other.

cheers
John
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last


Raising the line speed above 80 is also in Metro interest. A SAS is not going to manage in the shorter sections, however longer parts ( > 2km) would get a definite boost. Express Caulfield to the Portal/Richmond @ 130+ kph is a worthy goal for both services.
---justarider


The MATHS corridor for the Dandenong tracks Is riddled with 60 km/h curves as It wiggles past stations.
Nightfire
"riddled" is a strong word there.
Caulfield to Toorak is 4km straight as a die.

There will no longer any use for platforms on the Dandy line for MATHS stations.
With possible exception of Hawksburn works for the turn-back, they could rip out those platforms and nobody would notice.

The significant curve is between Chapple St and South Yarra Station. That has already been re-built for the portal. Lets see what speed is when all the TSR for line works are lifted.

cheers
John