The China Problem

 
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
No one will dispute Covid19 appeared first in China either being from a Laboratory or from the streets and a wet market. What has developed since regarding China is what I want to address.

The world is looking for answers as to why we now have a pandemic and a global recession likely and China is being seen as the country responsible add to that the world now voting (WHO) 62 countries want an independent review of the virus origins.

Australia humped on board early for an independent inquiry and the WHO was not keen on the idea at the time. Trump has pulled USA ongoing funding for the WHO and Australia is being called a DOG of the USA.

As a result the Chinese Government has imposed tariffs on Australian Export Barley in an attempt to punish Australia.  Since this happened India has now stepped up and will purchase the barley from Australia good news.

The Victorian Government has today announced the tariff restrictions illegal or breach of contract on road belt deal already signed.  What is China getting in return for a signed belt/road agreement?

Could China be given preferential loan agreements with the Victorian Government?

Overall countries around the global are wanting to hold China accountable for the COVID19 pandemic expecting more tension yet to surface and China to become more and more on the outer.

China money for apartments in Sydney and Melbourne is not drying up which may translate to a property developer collapse in the apartment space.  The benefit of this is no more cheaply built apartments in CBD's.

In summary the world is turning against China and China may very well turn its back on the west.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

As a result the Chinese Government has imposed tariffs on Australian Export Barley in an attempt to punish Australia.  Since this happened India has now stepped up and will purchase the barley from Australia good news.

The Victorian Government has today announced the tariff restrictions illegal or breach of contract on road belt deal already signed.  What is China getting in return for a signed belt/road agreement?

Could China be given preferential loan agreements with the Victorian Government?

Overall countries around the global are wanting to hold China accountable for the COVID19 pandemic expecting more tension yet to surface and China to become more and more on the outer.

China money for apartments in Sydney and Melbourne is not drying up which may translate to a property developer collapse in the apartment space.  The benefit of this is no more cheaply built apartments in CBD's.

In summary the world is turning against China and China may very well turn its back on the west.
NSWGR8022
The Belt and Road saga is starting to look like another Khemlani Loans Affair circa 1975.  We all know what happened then, but Dan Andrews seems to be using his majority in parliament to railroad any accountability.

He needs to come clean very quickly, otherwise it will only perpetuate conspiracy theories and deep suspicion of his government.

I wonder when the Feds will step in?  Fun times....

As for Chinese buying up apartments - many of them probably want somewhere to go if it all goes horribly pear-shaped in China.  Mind you, they aren't a majority of owners of this kind of real estate either.
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Virus came from China but the "it's just like the flu" and many people's inability worldwide to quarantine or distance socially that made it run so rampant. America is about to show how dangerous a second wave is going to be since they're about to open themselves up early despite their 'curve' being nowhere near flat.

As far as the world perception of China they really haven't and no doubt won't take this with their tails between their legs. Wuhan allegedly has banned eating wild animals, too little too late for a culture used to consuming everything around them.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I'm glad to see that China is being investigated into the origins of this virus, the fact of the matter is, they shouldn't have let it get this far, China had an opportunity to get this thing under control and they let it get away through incompetence on their part.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I'm glad to see that China is being investigated into the origins of this virus, the fact of the matter is, they shouldn't have let it get this far, China had an opportunity to get this thing under control and they let it get away through incompetence on their part.
"lsrailfan"

Its general WHO procedure for them to investigate the origins of any major outbreaks, unlike some politicians here and in the US would make you think. That Line is being pushed to make it seem as though a righteous crusade against authoritarianism by the west and by the CCP to make it seems as though they are being ganged up on. The PRC has done a very decent job of containing it, unlike Trump who consistently ignored advice from Heath experts and the Military along with downplaying it.

Wait till Don sees this thread, he'll have a ball.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I'm glad to see that China is being investigated into the origins of this virus, the fact of the matter is, they shouldn't have let it get this far, China had an opportunity to get this thing under control and they let it get away through incompetence on their part.
"lsrailfan"

Its general WHO procedure for them to investigate the origins of any major outbreaks, unlike some politicians here and in the US would make you think. That Line is being pushed to make it seem as though a righteous crusade against authoritarianism by the west and by the CCP to make it seems as though they are being ganged up on. The PRC has done a very decent job of containing it, unlike Trump who consistently ignored advice from Heath experts and the Military along with downplaying it.

Wait till Don sees this thread, he'll have a ball.
"Dangersdan707"



Agree.
Megaphone diplomacy on the part of the Aust. Government didn’t and won’t help.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
As a result the Chinese Government has imposed tariffs on Australian Export Barley in an attempt to punish Australia.  Since this happened India has now stepped up and will purchase the barley from Australia good news.

The Victorian Government has today announced the tariff restrictions illegal or breach of contract on road belt deal already signed.  What is China getting in return for a signed belt/road agreement?

Could China be given preferential loan agreements with the Victorian Government?

Overall countries around the global are wanting to hold China accountable for the COVID19 pandemic expecting more tension yet to surface and China to become more and more on the outer.

China money for apartments in Sydney and Melbourne is not drying up which may translate to a property developer collapse in the apartment space.  The benefit of this is no more cheaply built apartments in CBD's.

In summary the world is turning against China and China may very well turn its back on the west.
NSWGR8022
The Belt and Road saga is starting to look like another Khemlani Loans Affair circa 1975.  We all know what happened then, but Dan Andrews seems to be using his majority in parliament to railroad any accountability.

He needs to come clean very quickly, otherwise it will only perpetuate conspiracy theories and deep suspicion of his government.

I wonder when the Feds will step in?  Fun times....

As for Chinese buying up apartments - many of them probably want somewhere to go if it all goes horribly pear-shaped in China.  Mind you, they aren't a majority of owners of this kind of real estate either.
"Carnot"


Thats right, its pretty much the Uber rich buying up property overseas just incase of a government crackdown or something. If we did crack down on foreign ownership the Press would cry 'COMMUNISM' or something knowing us. I very much doubt we'll do anything about it.

I too Highly doubt the Feds will step in with Victoria, they seem to busy trying to appease their corporate backers, domestic and international.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I'm glad to see that China is being investigated into the origins of this virus, the fact of the matter is, they shouldn't have let it get this far, China had an opportunity to get this thing under control and they let it get away through incompetence on their part.

Its general WHO procedure for them to investigate the origins of any major outbreaks, unlike some politicians here and in the US would make you think. That Line is being pushed to make it seem as though a righteous crusade against authoritarianism by the west and by the CCP to make it seems as though they are being ganged up on. The PRC has done a very decent job of containing it, unlike Trump who consistently ignored advice from Heath experts and the Military along with downplaying it.

Wait till Don sees this thread, he'll have a ball.
Dangersdan707
So do you not agree that the virus originated out of China, and they were the ones that kept quiet about it? I have been hearing from certain Media here that China tried to silence whistle blowers that tried to alert people about this new virus.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I'm glad to see that China is being investigated into the origins of this virus, the fact of the matter is, they shouldn't have let it get this far, China had an opportunity to get this thing under control and they let it get away through incompetence on their part.

Its general WHO procedure for them to investigate the origins of any major outbreaks, unlike some politicians here and in the US would make you think. That Line is being pushed to make it seem as though a righteous crusade against authoritarianism by the west and by the CCP to make it seems as though they are being ganged up on. The PRC has done a very decent job of containing it, unlike Trump who consistently ignored advice from Heath experts and the Military along with downplaying it.

Wait till Don sees this thread, he'll have a ball.
So do you not agree that the virus originated out of China, and they were the ones that kept quiet about it? I have been hearing from certain Media here that China tried to silence whistle blowers that tried to alert people about this new virus.
lsrailfan
All evidence suggests it originated in the PRC, IDK why your claiming i think otherwise. The Person I think your referring too died of the virus. Fake News Laughing

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I'm glad to see that China is being investigated into the origins of this virus, the fact of the matter is, they shouldn't have let it get this far, China had an opportunity to get this thing under control and they let it get away through incompetence on their part.

Its general WHO procedure for them to investigate the origins of any major outbreaks, unlike some politicians here and in the US would make you think. That Line is being pushed to make it seem as though a righteous crusade against authoritarianism by the west and by the CCP to make it seems as though they are being ganged up on. The PRC has done a very decent job of containing it, unlike Trump who consistently ignored advice from Heath experts and the Military along with downplaying it.

Wait till Don sees this thread, he'll have a ball.
So do you not agree that the virus originated out of China, and they were the ones that kept quiet about it? I have been hearing from certain Media here that China tried to silence whistle blowers that tried to alert people about this new virus.
All evidence suggests it originated in the PRC, IDK why your claiming i think otherwise. The Person I think your referring too died of the virus. Fake News Laughing

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795
Dangersdan707
Yes, I think they "did away with him", so to speak
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
All evidence suggests it originated in the PRC, IDK why your claiming i think otherwise. The Person I think your referring too died of the virus. Fake News Laughing

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795
Yes, I think they "did away with him", so to speak
lsrailfan
A new low in disgusting things to say.

In any event, the bat was out of the bag in first week of January. 5 eyes don't read internet posts, get real.

And what did all the West governments do, in clear evidence that something bad was up, and that China was in denial mode.
SFA
That is criminal, and no amount of finger pointing is going to forgive incompetetence much closer to home.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The issue around Victoria and Chinese money deals is developing more and this could turn into a real crisis for the government. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/minister-refuses-to-clarify-chinese-links-to-245bn-loan-plan/news-story/3532bb9a84d081a692970ee44364095a Why would a minister refused to tell the truth on the deal or the nature of the relationship?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The issue around Victoria and Chinese money deals is developing more and this could turn into a real crisis for the government. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/minister-refuses-to-clarify-chinese-links-to-245bn-loan-plan/news-story/3532bb9a84d081a692970ee44364095a Why would a minister refused to tell the truth on the deal or the nature of the relationship?
bevans
Another anti Labor beat up by the Murdoch scum bags.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The issue around Victoria and Chinese money deals is developing more and this could turn into a real crisis for the government. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/minister-refuses-to-clarify-chinese-links-to-245bn-loan-plan/news-story/3532bb9a84d081a692970ee44364095a Why would a minister refused to tell the truth on the deal or the nature of the relationship?
Another anti Labor beat up by the Murdoch scum bags.
nswtrains

quite possibility but why not just tell us all?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The issue around Victoria and Chinese money deals is developing more and this could turn into a real crisis for the government. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/minister-refuses-to-clarify-chinese-links-to-245bn-loan-plan/news-story/3532bb9a84d081a692970ee44364095a Why would a minister refused to tell the truth on the deal or the nature of the relationship?
Another anti Labor beat up by the Murdoch scum bags.

quite possibility but why not just tell us all?
bevans
Why doesn't The Dear Fürhrer Dutton Tell us whats happening in his concentration camps?

I bet you The Victorian government is only doing only to get the Feds to cough up more cash for them! Probably just Vulcan's Request for the USSR to rebuild its bridge on a larger scale!

http://appalachianmagazine.com/2014/02/23/the-west-virginia-town-that-applied-for-soviet-foreign-aid-1/
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I wouldn't trust the CCP with anything.  Just look at Hong Kong right now with the introduction of anti-sedition laws and the mainland's thuggish national security apparatus.  
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/22/asia/hong-kong-china-national-security-law-intl-hnk/index.html

Now Dan Andrews has refused FOI requests into DFAT advice on the Belt & Road treason:


What has he got to hide?  Who is he afraid of?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
What has he got to hide?  Who is he afraid of?
"Carnot"
Who knows? But, while the magic words, "...commercial in confidence..."  are freely used by both sides, I wouldn't hang by my thumbs waiting for an answer.
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Head of State in the USA has also now made his position and the USA position clear when it comes to Chairman Mao/Dan on the agreement Victoria has with the Chinese Government/Regime. I can understand why doing a good deal with the Chinese would be potentially good for Victoria it is unfortunate the cost overruns with your builds are such and the coronavirus has not helped the situation.

Rather than spending so much time on the Chairman Dan deal why is not more known about the large cost overruns on the projects?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Head of State in the USA has also now made his position and the USA position clear when it comes to Chairman Mao/Dan on the agreement Victoria has with the Chinese Government/Regime. I can understand why doing a good deal with the Chinese would be potentially good for Victoria it is unfortunate the cost overruns with your builds are such and the coronavirus has not helped the situation.

Rather than spending so much time on the Chairman Dan deal why is not more known about the large cost overruns on the projects?
NSWGR8022
Maybe the federal government should nationalise John Holland? Then the sweetheart deals "cost overruns" could go to Canberra instead of Beijing.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Head of State in the USA has also now made his position and the USA position clear when it comes to Chairman Mao/Dan on the agreement Victoria has with the Chinese Government/Regime. I can understand why doing a good deal with the Chinese would be potentially good for Victoria it is unfortunate the cost overruns with your builds are such and the coronavirus has not helped the situation.

Rather than spending so much time on the Chairman Dan deal why is not more known about the large cost overruns on the projects?
Maybe the federal government should nationalise John Holland? Then the sweetheart deals "cost overruns" could go to Canberra instead of Beijing.
justapassenger
Likely a proportionate amount of the sweetheart deals "cost overruns" end up in Canberra at present.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Head of State in the USA has also now made his position and the USA position clear when it comes to Chairman Mao/Dan on the agreement Victoria has with the Chinese Government/Regime. I can understand why doing a good deal with the Chinese would be potentially good for Victoria it is unfortunate the cost overruns with your builds are such and the coronavirus has not helped the situation.

Rather than spending so much time on the Chairman Dan deal why is not more known about the large cost overruns on the projects?
Maybe the federal government should nationalise John Holland? Then the sweetheart deals "cost overruns" could go to Canberra instead of Beijing.
Likely a proportionate amount of the sweetheart deals "cost overruns" end up in Canberra at present.
michaelgm
The problem with anyone who wants to go about nationalising anything in this country is that they Accused of being Communists and have all the baggage that comes along with that. Chinese Spy! and so on.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
There certainly are people who are don't accept the 'it's China's fault' theory. Proof of pre December 2019 cases have been found in Europe, initially thought to be just the flu. Noteably, participants at military games held in Wuhan, games at which U.S. military were present, complained of flu like symptoms afterwards. The Pentagon has denied that they are responsible, but they have an obvious interest in doing this. The tactical advantage of testing a new bio-weapon on foreign soul are clear. The U.S. gave the world the 'Spanish' flu 100 years ago, plenty of smart people believe their up to their old shenanigans again.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
There certainly are people who are don't accept the 'it's China's fault' theory. Proof of pre December 2019 cases have been found in Europe, initially thought to be just the flu. Noteably, participants at military games held in Wuhan, games at which U.S. military were present, complained of flu like symptoms afterwards. The Pentagon has denied that they are responsible, but they have an obvious interest in doing this. The tactical advantage of testing a new bio-weapon on foreign soul are clear. The U.S. gave the world the 'Spanish' flu 100 years ago, plenty of smart people believe their up to their old shenanigans again.
billybaxter
Interesting that you say that, I'm just reading now that it is thought to have begun at Haskell County Kansas, at an army barracks called Camp Funston, maybe they were holding so called "Military games", at that time as well.
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich
There certainly are people who are don't accept the 'it's China's fault' theory. Proof of pre December 2019 cases have been found in Europe, initially thought to be just the flu. Noteably, participants at military games held in Wuhan, games at which U.S. military were present, complained of flu like symptoms afterwards. The Pentagon has denied that they are responsible, but they have an obvious interest in doing this. The tactical advantage of testing a new bio-weapon on foreign soul are clear. The U.S. gave the world the 'Spanish' flu 100 years ago, plenty of smart people believe their up to their old shenanigans again.
billybaxter
There was the capability 100 years ago to engineer a bio-weapon?
  9034 Train Controller

China  does seem to have an issue with free  speech,  be it in Australia or in Hong Kong.


https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/chinese-government-pushes-new-law-to-bring-hong-kong-further-under-its-control/news-story/de345052a7fb12d57088492e87c0bf43


"Over the weekend, thousands of demonstrators in Hong Kong took to the streets over a controversial new security law put forward by the Chinese government.
The law will allow Chinese national security agencies to deploy in the semi-autonomous territory for the first time, in line with the Chinese Communist Party’s aim to bring Hong Kong more under its control.
If the legislation passes, it could mark the biggest blow to the city’s civil liberties since it was handed over to Chinese authorities in 1997."

The Chinese Communist government are a bit thin skinned and want to control everything it can.  Wonder what else it is up to?

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