Australia must ‘move on’ from freeway fantasy, not High Speed Rail

 

News article: Australia must ‘move on’ from freeway fantasy, not High Speed Rail

In response to the Grattan Institute’s calls for Australia to ‘move on’ from High Speed Rail, the Public Transport Users Association notes the limitations of their analysis, and calls for urban megaroads projects to receive the same level of scrutiny.

  RedEyeExpress Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Ethan1395, I'm not following you about NSW only having one liveable city. Are you saying that anywhere outside Sydney is unliveable?

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  Ethan1395 Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
Ethan1395, I'm not following you about NSW only having one liveable city. Are you saying that anywhere outside Sydney is unliveable?
RedEyeExpress
I know it's blunt, but can you list every city in NSW that is appropriate to raise a family in, having close to enough jobs, and the appropriate level of infrastructure for it's size, density, and population?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
A helpful piece @trans
In general I agree that by-pass the CBD is a major need  that is lacking in Melbourne. NE link  is just that.

However EW link was always a dog, it might by-pass the CBD but that is not the problem in this instance.
A look at the number of lanes will tell you where the traffic is going: 5 lanes south bound on Hoddle St, Alexander Pde dwindles to just one lane past the Cemetery.
That says most traffic is going INTO the CBD, not by-pass.

NE Link is not a road designed to bypass the CBD.  if you wanted such a road you would have been building the ring road missing link to the eastlink tollway, this has not been chosen.  The stated benefits of the NE Link is to provide a better way into the innter Melbourne and for heavy freight vehicles to get to the port from the north.  It is ALL about funnelling traffic into and out of inner Melbourne and Kew/Bulleen was inner melbourne'ish when I last checked.


Your interpretations of "stated benefits" is way off what the business case describes.
75% of southbound traffic on NEL heading east, not to the city.
https://northeastlink.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/417946/NEL-Business-Case-Appendix-D.pdf page 10

And trucks from the north heading to the port via NEL. ( or currently via Bulleen for that matter) Can I have some of what you're smokin?
The route is Hume fwy, Ring Rd West, Tulla Fwy, Footscray Rd, Swanston Dock. Now that IS a CBD by-pass.

Option A gets most trucks off Bullen Rd/Greensbourough Rd, Option B/C only some. See page 46 of the above link for the massive difference in "benefits".

cheers
John
justarider
The amount of times my GPS would route me through Heidelberg on the way back home to Gippsland when I was coming from the Northern part of Melbourne was pretty frequent.
  GoldenGirl Locomotive Fireman

A helpful piece @trans
In general I agree that by-pass the CBD is a major need  that is lacking in Melbourne. NE link  is just that.

However EW link was always a dog, it might by-pass the CBD but that is not the problem in this instance.
A look at the number of lanes will tell you where the traffic is going: 5 lanes south bound on Hoddle St, Alexander Pde dwindles to just one lane past the Cemetery.
That says most traffic is going INTO the CBD, not by-pass.

NE Link is not a road designed to bypass the CBD.  if you wanted such a road you would have been building the ring road missing link to the eastlink tollway, this has not been chosen.  The stated benefits of the NE Link is to provide a better way into the innter Melbourne and for heavy freight vehicles to get to the port from the north.  It is ALL about funnelling traffic into and out of inner Melbourne and Kew/Bulleen was inner melbourne'ish when I last checked.


Your interpretations of "stated benefits" is way off what the business case describes.
75% of southbound traffic on NEL heading east, not to the city.
https://northeastlink.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/417946/NEL-Business-Case-Appendix-D.pdf page 10

And trucks from the north heading to the port via NEL. ( or currently via Bulleen for that matter) Can I have some of what you're smokin?
The route is Hume fwy, Ring Rd West, Tulla Fwy, Footscray Rd, Swanston Dock. Now that IS a CBD by-pass.

Option A gets most trucks off Bullen Rd/Greensbourough Rd, Option B/C only some. See page 46 of the above link for the massive difference in "benefits".

cheers
John
The amount of times my GPS would route me through Heidelberg on the way back home to Gippsland when I was coming from the Northern part of Melbourne was pretty frequent.
speedemon08
GPS? We don't need no stinkin GPS.....

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