PLA entering Hong Kong?

 
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
for his troubles he was shot by a white nutcase in that motel in Memphis. So much for peaceful demonstration.
"nswtrains"
I have a problem correlating these two sentences. It reads as though the peaceful protest was somehow to blame for the nutcase. Would it have deterred the nutcase if the demonstration had been violent?

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

for his troubles he was shot by a white nutcase in that motel in Memphis. So much for peaceful demonstration.
I have a problem correlating these two sentences. It reads as though the peaceful protest was somehow to blame for the nutcase. Would it have deterred the nutcase if the demonstration had been violent?
Valvegear
What if the Civil Rights Campaign had focused on the 2nd Amendment would be an interesting, and horrifying, question for an alternative history novel.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

So, the CCP have introduced their new oppressive anti-sedition laws in Hong Kong.  Even foreigners who criticize China are subject to these terrible laws.  https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/01/china/hong-kong-national-security-law-july-1-intl-hnk/index.html
They've well and truly taken over the joint and are basically running it like Vichy France in 1940-44.

People should boycott Chinese products.  Won't happen though, given what the local KMart looked like the other day....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I have already started my boycott  of chinese imported goods especially at the supermarket.  I also believe the USA is changing their status of Hong Kong so there are no special provisions.  In India anti chinese sentiment is growing with a boycott in chinese imported goods already happening.

The chinese are doing their best to make themselves unpopular.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
So, the CCP have introduced their new oppressive anti-sedition laws in Hong Kong.  Even foreigners who criticize China are subject to these terrible laws.  https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/01/china/hong-kong-national-security-law-july-1-intl-hnk/index.html
They've well and truly taken over the joint and are basically running it like Vichy France in 1940-44.

People should boycott Chinese products.  Won't happen though, given what the local KMart looked like the other day....
Carnot
In effect they've ended the special status accorded to Hong Kong under the "one country - two systems" agreement in 1997.

I guess on balance the CCP were concerned that any campaign for democracy could contaminate the mainland and given that Shanghai etc are already significant centers of international finance they aren't too worried about what impact removing those relative freedoms will have.

Sad for those residents but then again the writing has been on the wall for over two decades.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.

... People should boycott Chinese products.  ...
Carnot
What about the necessities?   Model trains?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

So, the CCP have introduced their new oppressive anti-sedition laws in Hong Kong.  Even foreigners who criticize China are subject to these terrible laws.  https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/01/china/hong-kong-national-security-law-july-1-intl-hnk/index.html
They've well and truly taken over the joint and are basically running it like Vichy France in 1940-44.

People should boycott Chinese products.  Won't happen though, given what the local KMart looked like the other day....
In effect they've ended the special status accorded to Hong Kong under the "one country - two systems" agreement in 1997.

I guess on balance the CCP were concerned that any campaign for democracy could contaminate the mainland and given that Shanghai etc are already significant centers of international finance they aren't too worried about what impact removing those relative freedoms will have.

Sad for those residents but then again the writing has been on the wall for over two decades.
don_dunstan
Somewhere down the road, people will astonished at the changes made under the cover of COVID 19.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Pleasing to know the UK will offer yhose elligible for a UK passport a 5 year visa with the ability to apply for residency. What a slap for China but an portent thing to do.

Australia should also have made an offer.

At the end of the day China cannot be trusted. They claim we are racist at the same time oppress muslims in the western area of their country.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Pleasing to know the UK will offer yhose elligible for a UK passport a 5 year visa with the ability to apply for residency. What a slap for China but an portent thing to do.

Australia should also have made an offer.

At the end of the day China cannot be trusted. They claim we are racist at the same time oppress muslims in the western area of their country.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Pleasing to know the UK will offer yhose elligible for a UK passport a 5 year visa with the ability to apply for residency. What a slap for China but an portent thing to do.

Australia should also have made an offer.

At the end of the day China cannot be trusted. They claim we are racist at the same time oppress muslims in the western area of their country.
freightgate
No - the problems of Hong Kong are not our issue. We have something like two million unemployed in this country presently, the last thing we need is a million or so 'refugees of communism' arriving on our doorstep requiring housing and welfare.

Anyone with half a brain frightened of the possibility of living under a totalitarian government wouldn't have remained in Hong Kong after 1997 - what's going on there now was inevitable, it was always going to happen.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Pleasing to know the UK will offer yhose elligible for a UK passport a 5 year visa with the ability to apply for residency. What a slap for China but an portent thing to do.

Australia should also have made an offer.

At the end of the day China cannot be trusted. They claim we are racist at the same time oppress muslims in the western area of their country.
No - the problems of Hong Kong are not our issue. We have something like two million unemployed in this country presently, the last thing we need is a million or so 'refugees of communism' arriving on our doorstep requiring housing and welfare.

Anyone with half a brain frightened of the possibility of living under a totalitarian government wouldn't have remained in Hong Kong after 1997 - what's going on there now was inevitable, it was always going to happen.
don_dunstan
We should let many of them in.  They would create employment IMO.

Many stayed in HK after 1997 for economic reasons.  But that's now being destroyed, and with the CCP clamping down hard there should be mercy for them.

Incidentally, with the new laws even foreign citizens like you and me who have criticized the CCP on social media could be arrested transiting through HK airport and sent off to the mainland prisons.

It's stuffed.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Pleasing to know the UK will offer yhose elligible for a UK passport a 5 year visa with the ability to apply for residency. What a slap for China but an portent thing to do.

Australia should also have made an offer.

At the end of the day China cannot be trusted. They claim we are racist at the same time oppress muslims in the western area of their country.
No - the problems of Hong Kong are not our issue. We have something like two million unemployed in this country presently, the last thing we need is a million or so 'refugees of communism' arriving on our doorstep requiring housing and welfare.

Anyone with half a brain frightened of the possibility of living under a totalitarian government wouldn't have remained in Hong Kong after 1997 - what's going on there now was inevitable, it was always going to happen.
We should let many of them in.  They would create employment IMO.

Many stayed in HK after 1997 for economic reasons.  But that's now being destroyed, and with the CCP clamping down hard there should be mercy for them.

Incidentally, with the new laws even foreign citizens like you and me who have criticized the CCP on social media could be arrested transiting through HK airport and sent off to the mainland prisons.

It's stuffed.
Carnot
We're a relatively small nation with over-stretched resources from 15 years of mass immigration adding 1.4% every year to our population. Most of those migrants will want to live in Sydney and Melbourne - if the arrive en mass then where will they live? How will we provide infrastructure like water and power for an additional million or two million people? Where will the jobs come from?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
We should let many of them in.  They would create employment IMO.
"Carnot"
Doing what, in what industries? A flood of people doesn't create employment. Employment is created by business, large or small. Jobs will appear when the proprietors need more labour. The coalition persists with the nonsense that the government will create new jobs by reducing company tax and levies and the subsequent ludicrous "trickle down" effect. Does anyone seriously believe that the boss of Nong Industries says, "Goody; lower taxes. I must go out and find more people I can pay." The first bit is right; the second bit is actually "More profit for me."
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Pleasing to know the UK will offer yhose elligible for a UK passport a 5 year visa with the ability to apply for residency. What a slap for China but an portent thing to do.

Australia should also have made an offer.

At the end of the day China cannot be trusted. They claim we are racist at the same time oppress muslims in the western area of their country.
No - the problems of Hong Kong are not our issue. We have something like two million unemployed in this country presently, the last thing we need is a million or so 'refugees of communism' arriving on our doorstep requiring housing and welfare.

Anyone with half a brain frightened of the possibility of living under a totalitarian government wouldn't have remained in Hong Kong after 1997 - what's going on there now was inevitable, it was always going to happen.
We should let many of them in.  They would create employment IMO.

Many stayed in HK after 1997 for economic reasons.  But that's now being destroyed, and with the CCP clamping down hard there should be mercy for them.

Incidentally, with the new laws even foreign citizens like you and me who have criticized the CCP on social media could be arrested transiting through HK airport and sent off to the mainland prisons.

It's stuffed.
We're a relatively small nation with over-stretched resources from 15 years of mass immigration adding 1.4% every year to our population. Most of those migrants will want to live in Sydney and Melbourne - if the arrive en mass then where will they live? How will we provide infrastructure like water and power for an additional million or two million people? Where will the jobs come from?
don_dunstan
Most will go to the UK rather Australia.  Do it proportional to existing population.  Canada and NZ could be other receiving countries too.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Anyone with half a brain frightened of the possibility of living under a totalitarian government wouldn't have remained in Hong Kong after 1997 - what's going on there now was inevitable, it was always going to happen.
"don_dunstan"
Yep! File under "D" for Dead Certainty.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Pleasing to know the UK will offer yhose elligible for a UK passport a 5 year visa with the ability to apply for residency.
freightgate
What a strange statement to make.

I don't know who Yhose is, but if he/she is eligible for a UK passport wouldn't they just go for that instead of faffing around with a visa?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Why act so shocked? Everyone saw something like this coming from a mile away. After all, these protests have been going on a fair while with all the idiots wanting to be re-colonised despite the majority of the population being fine with the 1 country, 2 systems policy. I guess thats what happens when you blow out of proportion a law designed to extradite murderers in the first place... (prepares for bashing)


The chinese are doing their best to make themselves unpopular.
Brian Evans
That Doesn't matter when your the ascending Global superpower, you can do anything you like without major reprisal from anyone. oh, and boycotts? yeah right, dream on.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Why act so shocked? Everyone saw something like this coming from a mile away. After all, these protests have been going on a fair while with all the idiots wanting to be re-colonised despite the majority of the population being fine with the 1 country, 2 systems policy. I guess thats what happens when you blow out of proportion a law designed to extradite murderers in the first place... (prepares for bashing)


The chinese are doing their best to make themselves unpopular.
That Doesn't matter when your the ascending Global superpower, you can do anything you like without major reprisal from anyone. oh, and boycotts? yeah right, dream on.
Dangersdan707
So, you obviously have no problem with "ascending Global superpower" locking up over a million Muslim Uyghurs into concentration camps and forcibly sterilizing the rest?  What makes the CCP any different from the Nazis?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/china-forces-birth-control-on-uyghurs-to-suppress-population/12404912
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Why act so shocked? Everyone saw something like this coming from a mile away. After all, these protests have been going on a fair while with all the idiots wanting to be re-colonised despite the majority of the population being fine with the 1 country, 2 systems policy. I guess thats what happens when you blow out of proportion a law designed to extradite murderers in the first place... (prepares for bashing)


The chinese are doing their best to make themselves unpopular.
That Doesn't matter when your the ascending Global superpower, you can do anything you like without major reprisal from anyone. oh, and boycotts? yeah right, dream on.
So, you obviously have no problem with "ascending Global superpower" locking up over a million Muslim Uyghurs into concentration camps and forcibly sterilizing the rest?  What makes the CCP any different from the Nazis?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/china-forces-birth-control-on-uyghurs-to-suppress-population/12404912
Carnot
Now Now Carnot, would i do the same to 'I guess your fine with X or Y and Z?' to you? (i probably have at some point and i apologise)
Oh, to your surprise now the protest movement de-facto I'll express my honest opinion on it. I supported and endorse a fair few of their aims. I just think the entire issue got way more airtime in the west and was blown out of proportion with its scale and how rebellious it really was (looking at you reddit) and it being dubbed 'the revolution of our time'. Now for their aims i supported

-Universal suffrage, Understandable, as hong kong has a weird system that allows 3 quarters of its elected officials to be voted in directly by businesses.
-Enquiry into police brutality, Very fair
-Retracting the classification of protesters as rioters (they were not)
-amnesty for arrested protesters

All very reasonable I think you'd agree. I just think the Extradition bill reaction was a little overblown and now they've given the PRC an excuse to move in.

As for East Turkistan, I condemn that. Its de-facto the same stuff the Europeans did in the colonial era and its awful.  There not even trying to hide whats happening there in their own press ffs.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-10/16/c_137535821.htm
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
China has announced they will sanction Britain if proceeds with offering Hong Kong people residency in the UK.

Who does China think it is ?  Jeez you can’t lock your people up and prevent them from leaving a dirty communist govt in this day and age.

Note Australia is now offering visas also.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Who does China think it is ?  Jeez you can’t lock your people up and prevent them from leaving a dirty communist govt in this day and age.
freightgate
They're the new per-eminent global superpower - that's who they are.

And don't say "dirty communists" or you'll have their cheer squad down on you quick-smart.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
If you want to see just how powerful the Chinese Communist Party has become globally then look no further than last year's letter presented to the UN Human Rights Council praising China for the mandatory detention of a million Ugyhr Muslims in the west of the country - Business Insider;

37 countries have signed a letter backing China’s treatment of Uighurs in the Xinjiang region, days after 22 UN nations demanded China stop detaining the Muslim minority.

Signatories of the letter include Saudi Arabia, Syria, North Korea, and Russia. The letter said China has made “remarkable achievements in the field of human rights,” state-news outlet Xinhua reported.

“Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and de-radicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centres,” the letter said.

Many of the countries who signed the letter have been accused of committing human rights abuses themselves...

...Muslim countries were conspicuously absent from the statement from UN Human Rights Council members last week, but many of the signatories to the letter in support China were Islamic nations.

So they use their money and influence to convince predominantly Islamic nations like Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan to defend their attempted genocide of a million fellow Muslims? I'm not sure whose behaviour is worse, the Chinese Communist Party for co-opting Islamic nations to defend their appalling human rights record or the Islamic nations themselves for not caring about the mandatory imprisonment of a million Ugyhr Muslims.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Time to burn them books... and indoctrinate the young and impressionable. It is a time honoured tactic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12424900
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The CCP - the most insecure organisation on Earth. Buying votes in the UN 'Human Rights' Council as is usual of them.

Many people in the 'bought off' countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan are increasingly fed-up with their corrupt and/or brutal Governments.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The CCP - the most insecure organisation on Earth. Buying votes in the UN 'Human Rights' Council as is usual of them.

Many people in the 'bought off' countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan are increasingly fed-up with their corrupt and/or brutal Governments.
Carnot
I just don't understand why those predominantly Islamic countries would sign off on a letter like that - seems the CCP have had no trouble mustering support for it though.

Pakistan in particular is a complete mess despite Prime Minister Imran Khan's anti-corruption drive, did you see the discovery a few weeks ago that up to a third of Pakistani-certified pilots aren't actually qualified to be doing their jobs? They found that out after a jet crashed in Karachi short of the runway and realised many 'pilots' actually got someone else to sit their exams for them... yikes!

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