For those interested or living next to the wyndamvale line, this will mean all BG trains, passenger and freight, will be going via the RRL until the project is finished.
I think this sums it up nicely. Easy interchange is the key word. Ringwood line passengers have no issue changing at Richmond as it is so easy. Contrast that with Caulfield line passengers who are forced to run up and down stairs. I have said it before but a huge mistake was made with the Richmond Caulfield resignalling when the line was not converted to up up down down to make changing at Richmond as simple as on the Ringwood line. Of course all that is now lost with the ridiculous separation plans for the Dandenong line,It'd be a hell of a project somewhere along the line to make a set of flyovers to make this possible.
Bill Johnston
I think this sums it up nicely. Easy interchange is the key word. Ringwood line passengers have no issue changing at Richmond as it is so easy. Contrast that with Caulfield line passengers who are forced to run up and down stairs. I have said it before but a huge mistake was made with the Richmond Caulfield resignalling when the line was not converted to up up down down to make changing at Richmond as simple as on the Ringwood line. Of course all that is now lost with the ridiculous separation plans for the Dandenong line,A rebuilt Caulfield Station is all that is needed. Modern overpass with lifts and escalators.
Bill Johnston
Caulfield needs a large bull dozer. It should be rebuilt as two island platforms. It will have to be done at some time and if there is a long term plan it can be done in stages but the current plans rule it out for ever. I am not convinced there is not enough room for a flyover for Frankston line trains at the down end if the rebuilt station is moved in the up direction. There is no need for a flyover at Richmond if the up up down down arrangement was planned and worked towards. As I said earlier we have now gone too far to go back and do it properly so the line will remain non passenger friendly for the foreseeable future.Being heritage listed also probably rules it out forever, even the subway is heritage listed.
Bill Johnston
Caulfield needs a large bull dozer. It should be rebuilt as two island platforms. It will have to be done at some time and if there is a long term plan it can be done in stages but the current plans rule it out for ever. I am not convinced there is not enough room for a flyover for Frankston line trains at the down end if the rebuilt station is moved in the up direction. There is no need for a flyover at Richmond if the up up down down arrangement was planned and worked towards. As I said earlier we have now gone too far to go back and do it properly so the line will remain non passenger friendly for the foreseeable future.Will never happen.
Bill Johnston
The approach ramps are about 80% filled up. It's definitely nearing completion, probably about 2 months away from opening.I meant the Cardinia road over rail grade separation. You know what I meant.I didn’t and I still don’t? That’s nowhere near done, the approach ramps aren’t even filled to bridge height!
I don't think two island platforms and new flyovers at Caulfield are necessary to create the same result as the Ringwood corridor interchanges at Richmond, as this would be very expensive. I think just a second passenger interchange at the Down end is required, with escalators to allow easier interchanging, similar to North Melbourne. Caulfield is a very busy station and when there is bus replacement and passengers need to interchange , the current ramps and subway are not adequate.Caulfield needs a large bull dozer. It should be rebuilt as two island platforms. It will have to be done at some time and if there is a long term plan it can be done in stages but the current plans rule it out for ever. I am not convinced there is not enough room for a flyover for Frankston line trains at the down end if the rebuilt station is moved in the up direction. There is no need for a flyover at Richmond if the up up down down arrangement was planned and worked towards. As I said earlier we have now gone too far to go back and do it properly so the line will remain non passenger friendly for the foreseeable future.Being heritage listed also probably rules it out forever, even the subway is heritage listed.
Bill Johnston
I think the best solution is heavy rail from Alamein to Monash Uni or Rowville connecting via Chadstone and Oakleigh, to take advantage of the existing heavy rail line and no costs associated with conversion to a tram line. This would generate good patronage for the Alamein line and make it far more useful connecting major train lines and employment/activity hubs like Chadstone, Glenferrie, Camberwell, Mulgrave and Monash University National Employment Industrial Cluster on one line.Converting the Alamein line to a tram doesn't make sense. The line already crosses 2 tram lines that go via camberwell junction (70 on Riversdale Road and 75 on Toorak road) so it's unnecessary dupliction of routes. High street ashburton also has a bus that goes to Glen Iris station on the Glen Waverley line.
I'm not sure if you could say that the Alamein line (in it's current form) duplicates the routes 70/75 trams... It would seem to me to be multimodal interactions between the trams and the trains? So I am not sold on the idea that converting this line (on the proviso that it is extended to join the Rowville tram, connecting to Chadstone and Monash eventually) is an unnecessary duplication of routes.
I am sure the bus from High street, Ashburton could be effectively integrated to operate with the converted route (just like the 70/75 could be rejigged to integrate with the route) if it ever were to be converted.As was mentioned there probably isn't room for more trams at Camberwell tram depot and I highly doubt the the current train stabling at Camberwell station could take trams as well, so trams would have no where to terminate.
I would suggest that this project should be timed to occur just around/after the Coldstream maintenance centre would be opened, which would cover for lost stabling capacity at Camberwell. Have to say though, the Camberwell stabling looks pretty small and stuffy to me, not sure it is of much use as we enter into a world of fixed consists' of 7 carriage trains. I'm sure it would be big enough to stable a few E-class trams as necessary, but would make more sense to look for a bigger site in the local vicinity that could replace Camberwell at the same time as providing additional space for the converted Alamein line vehicles, and any possible extension of the 75 towards Knox (an inevitability IMO).People who catch the Alamein line are mostly going to the city or changing at Camberwell to go towards Ringwood. A tram would make things a lot harder to do either.
If it was timetabled properly, and Camberwell was upgraded to a proper interchange station, it could actually be quite seamless. Would certainly be of much more utility to have a link to Chadstone/Monash Clayton Campus/East Malvern/Rowville and wherever else you might want to extend it from there, and this would draw in additional commuters. Modal transfers can be frustrating, but if you open up the places that can be accessed from one form of transit, then people are more willing to switch between modes because of the extra accessibility the enhanced service offers. With SRL seemingly still on the cards (especially important in light of the economic malaise that has set in due to COVID-19), I cannot see Alamein being connected via heavy rail to the Glen Waverley/Cranbourne/Pakenham lines.
Better to try and make use of the infrastructure we've got left and provide a more functional link. Doesn't have to be a tram either? Could be tram-train or whatever if there are plans afoot to integrate into the heavy rail network eventually?
And the project worksites have been pretty good at handling all the rules related to Covid anyway, from what I've experianced.No level crossing removals are going on hold with the recent announcements from the Victorian Premier.
The Vic govt will want to ramp up work to take advantage of the weeks of low traffic volume - you'll see quite a lot of progress happen before we come back out of hibernation.
The above discussion is going off-topic from the level crossing removal thread. Can you move the discussion elsewhere.Good idea, I don't know how to shift the Alamein line discussion into another thread, or a suitable existing thread, if someone can do this please.
Currently the Bell to Moreland project is going well so far.
It can entitled "Fantasy Melbourne rail".The above discussion is going off-topic from the level crossing removal thread. Can you move the discussion elsewhere.Good idea, I don't know how to shift the Alamein line discussion into another thread, or a suitable existing thread, if someone can do this please.
Currently the Bell to Moreland project is going well so far.
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