Daniel Andrews Imploding Act

 
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Got the numbers on those with no symptoms Mr Lane?

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  Upven Locomotive Driver

If you're worried about catching it, why don't you just wash your hands, wear a mask, and limit your access to the world.

There should be no need for a lockdown. What they're saying by introducing one is that the system is -----d and can't handle anything worse than an average flu season. If wearing a mask, social distancing and frequent hand washing is insufficient in preventing this disease, then there's no point in a lockdown. If you're worried about the elderly, you're actually worried about the terrible system in place and the lacklustre preparation for a pandemic. Every year the flu rips through old folks' homes without a care from the media, and a lot of those deaths are preventable.

Community support is only going to hold on for so long.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Would you rather they run this like the US Don? Where the ‘end game’ is your end, or a partner, family member or friend’s ‘end’.

The body count is irrelevant, unless of course it’s someone you know that becomes one of the counted huh?
He can't comprehend that it's for the collective benefit of society and the sheer contagiousness of the virus. All about his ability to move about and live normally and bash 'the Chinese puppet post-modern Neo-Marxist Dictator/Chairman Dan'. Showing is true colours for a change
You seriously want another twelve months of Stage Four lockdowns - followed by another outbreak with another 12 months of Stage Four.

Where does it end? Serious question. At what point will Victorians (in particular) be allowed to return to 'normal'?

As if to add to the Orwellian crazy that is now Victoria, did you see footage of the woman who got a visit from THREE police cars and half a dozen officers because she posted on Facebook about going for a walk in the park?
And how often does one hear about these intellectual midgets brought undone by posting their acts on social media?
Possibly an overreaction by police, she got what she deserved.
michaelgm
'Ya reckon?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Would you rather they run this like the US Don? Where the ‘end game’ is your end, or a partner, family member or friend’s ‘end’.

The body count is irrelevant, unless of course it’s someone you know that becomes one of the counted huh?
He can't comprehend that it's for the collective benefit of society and the sheer contagiousness of the virus. All about his ability to move about and live normally and bash 'the Chinese puppet post-modern Neo-Marxist Dictator/Chairman Dan'. Showing is true colours for a change
You seriously want another twelve months of Stage Four lockdowns - followed by another outbreak with another 12 months of Stage Four.

Where does it end? Serious question. At what point will Victorians (in particular) be allowed to return to 'normal'?

As if to add to the Orwellian crazy that is now Victoria, did you see footage of the woman who got a visit from THREE police cars and half a dozen officers because she posted on Facebook about going for a walk in the park?
Your not a Victorian anymore anyway so why should It worry you? You boast about why you left Melbourne and yet you still endlessly blab on about us, our projects and our 'Imortal chairman Dan' and his reign over us.

It will be over when hopefully there is a vaccine/s for the thing. Some of us are quite enjoying the prolonged lockdown as well, Chance to relax and unwind for many.

Lordy you really are showing your true colours. Its obviously going to end with the Liberal Party burning down the parliament building...
Dangersdan707
It was the same country the last time I checked. And I have family who are directly affected by these shenanigans - or aren't I allowed to have an opinion?

There might never be a vaccine; there's never been a safe vaccine for any kind of COVID. This might go on forever. Nobody here has been able or willing to answer my question about what happens if this keeps going on - you're all too gutless and frightened of the possibilities to face the fact that this could well be the new normal - not just for Victoria but for all of us.

And what the frig does the Liberal Party have to do with this? Hysterical, much?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Would you rather they run this like the US Don? Where the ‘end game’ is your end, or a partner, family member or friend’s ‘end’.

The body count is irrelevant, unless of course it’s someone you know that becomes one of the counted huh?
Answer the question, Aaron: What is the end game?

It is unlikely anyone knows.

You could ask the Fuhrer Trump or Fuhrer Morrison, but they are more than happy to sit idle regardless as to how many die.
bingley hall
We have a right to know what the plans are - at the moment they're too hopeful of the silver bullet of a vaccine. It may never arrive - there's still no evidence that the Russian or Chinese "vaccines" have any efficacy or don't have harmful side-effects.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The bottom line is that nobody can confidently say when it will end, because nobody knows what is going to happen. I don't believe we have anyone available who has Honours in Fortune Telling 101.
I understand the frustration; I'm being driven mad by it just as others are, but I prefer the lockdown rather than a good dose of Covid-19.
The lockdown is not being done just for fun.
Valvegear
But it might all have been for nothing if they decide in the future that the virus can't be contained or if the economic cost of containing the virus is too great. I seriously don't think these people know what they're doing and its a real worry that nobody seems to have a plan if there's no silver bullet of a vaccine - which seems really likely given there's never been a successful one for any type of COVID (not one that does more damage than it helps, anyway).

It might have all been for nothing.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Do you seriously believe this?
Would you if the one life was yours?
I would be dead so I wouldn't have an opinion. I actually wouldn't expect a whole city to shut down to save me, no.

These attempts to personalize COVID are weak, predictable and getting overused. "What if it was you? Your family? Your friends?" well you can ask those questions in relation to any risky activity...

Do you seriously believe that any level of economic damage is worth saving one life? Surely a line must be drawn somewhere?

That line is certainly being drawn elsewhere in the western would now...Australia is just slow to catch up.
Mr. Lane
This is my problem with the entire government approach - not just the VIC government but all the states and the Commonwealth collectively. At the moment we're hiding from the virus - but what if the virus is always going to be with us and there's no magic cure for it - ever? Are we going to hide forever? Serious question.

Meanwhile people's livelihoods are being ruined all over the place. My work has been inundated with people looking for jobs and most of them are ex-travel industry, ex-airlines, ex-hospitality or similar. These people are not suited to the type of work that we do anyway but are obviously desperate for a job. We don't even have the severe restrictions here that they do in Victoria but the growing pile of unemployed people is pretty obvious - what is the government going to do with them? How are they going to cope with paying rent or mortgages if they can't get work? If it's bad here then I can't imagine how horrible it must be in Victoria - especially considering the cost of living there is so much more than it is here.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
An example of the ludicrous Government decision making process. From Palmer v Western Australia (No 4)...
Third, about 13% of cases notified in Australia have required admission to hospital 22 . Dr Robertson estimates that for 100 new cases per day (or 1,000 active cases), 130 hospital beds and 25 ICU beds would be required, and 14 deaths expected; while for 500 new cases per day (or 5,000 active cases), 650 hospital beds and 124 ICU beds would be required, and 70 deaths expected. These numbers would remain within the capacity of the Western Australian health system to manage, but would substantially increase the burden upon the health system.
The Federal Court


Granted no death is desirable, but the statistical value of that is $322M AUD, to reopen WA and manage any spread of Covid there. And that is operating under the assumption WA cannot keep any outbreaks below that level - which NSW & QLD seem to have been able to do. Indeed also from the Palmer case...
The experts agree that Western Australia has strong surveillance and testing systems. Western Australia has been successful in containing outbreaks in the past. It did so, in the period up to 12 April 2020.
The Federal Court
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
But it might all have been for nothing if they decide in the future that the virus can't be contained or if the economic cost of containing the virus is too great. I seriously don't think these people know what they're doing and its a real worry that nobody seems to have a plan if there's no silver bullet of a vaccine - which seems really likely given there's never been a successful one for any type of COVID (not one that does more damage than it helps, anyway).

It might have all been for nothing.
don_dunstan
Quite so.

On the other hand it might pay off. I keep on saying this, but this event is unique in living memory. We're trying to learn how to defeat it as we go. Nobody knows for certain.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
But it might all have been for nothing if they decide in the future that the virus can't be contained or if the economic cost of containing the virus is too great. I seriously don't think these people know what they're doing and its a real worry that nobody seems to have a plan if there's no silver bullet of a vaccine - which seems really likely given there's never been a successful one for any type of COVID (not one that does more damage than it helps, anyway).

It might have all been for nothing.
Quite so.

On the other hand it might pay off. I keep on saying this, but this event is unique in living memory. We're trying to learn how to defeat it as we go. Nobody knows for certain.
Valvegear
There must come a time when we all have to risk 'biting the bullet' whilst taking all reasonable precautions, nevertheless. I feel that we are approaching that time.

We need professional, open and honest information and answers untainted by political spin and games and public servants who can't count.

We are at war with COVID and lack real leadership from the combined states rather than the cadre of little Hitlers that we have.

The 'fifth column' is growing and we are ever increasingly declaring war on ourselves where it is only mugs who obey the rules whilst the 'Karens' (and worse) run riot with impunity.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Would you rather they run this like the US Don? Where the ‘end game’ is your end, or a partner, family member or friend’s ‘end’.

The body count is irrelevant, unless of course it’s someone you know that becomes one of the counted huh?
Answer the question, Aaron: What is the end game?

It is unlikely anyone knows.

You could ask the Fuhrer Trump or Fuhrer Morrison, but they are more than happy to sit idle regardless as to how many die.
We have a right to know what the plans are - at the moment they're too hopeful of the silver bullet of a vaccine. It may never arrive - there's still no evidence that the Russian or Chinese "vaccines" have any efficacy or don't have harmful side-effects.
don_dunstan
That is Assuming they actually have them and arn't boasting about nothing to keep the populace happy and show off. I highly doubt they have an effective Cure for Corona.

As for a plan out of it in Victoria, apparently coming this weekend.

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/what-could-victorias-path-out-of-lockdown-look-like/12614672
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Today's figures according to the YM.

During one hour walk, designed to avoid the proletariat as much as possible, today 1/9 :

32 people sighted including
26 wearing masks correctly
6 without masks - 4 'invincible' young females and two old blokes, including one on a bike*.

They just don't get it but, with luck, perhaps they will .............

* No - not me. Smile
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
...proletariat...
YM-Mundrabilla
I had to Google what that meant! Should be a word used over at RB! Razz
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
What will be the end cost of this lockdown and business damage.
Forget the cost. What is the monetary value of your life? If just one life is saved it is worth every cent.
Do you seriously believe this?
Absolutely. If we all get sick and many of us die, of what use is whatever is left of the economy?
It will be good for the 99.9% of people who wont die.

Anyway you have changed your statement...first you are saying saving just one life is worth total destruction of the economy, then you are talking about "if we all get sick."

The vast majority of people who catch COVID have no symptoms, a smaller number have mild symptoms. People should really give up on this "we are all gonna get sick if we catch it" fear-mongering line.
Mr. Lane
Two different statements.
Currently 25,637,634 cases and 854,772 deaths is enough reason to be fearful of this virus.
Source
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
...proletariat...
I had to Google what that meant! Should be a word used over at RB! Razz
KRviator
Thanks KR.
I am pleased to have my valiant attempts to APPEAR knowledgeable (ie a clever dick) here on RP recognised. Rolling Eyes
I must devise an unexplained acronym to replace 'proletariat' in some future useless post in order to maintain my newly attained standing.
Stay safe Comrade. Smile

PS: Too many letters to fit on RB.
  brownhillboy Train Controller

Only five more sleeps until Dan the Man reveals the THE PLAN.


On an even more positive note, apparently us long suffering country folk will get a separate road map out of this mess. A small consolation for the tens of thousands that have suffered so much, and there hasn’t even been a mild case of COVID-19 within hundreds of kilometres of many.


Country restrictions, except for social distancing and mask wearing, need to be lifted immediately so that suffering country communities can plan on reopening their golf, bowls, cricket, CWA, Probus clubs etc. etc. to see them through the summer. The shutting down of schools and junior sport this year has been an absolute tragedy for some families



Not many politicians, especially Dan the “I’ll build a tunnel Man” realize the extreme social isolation that many country (not just regional) people are feeling at the moment.  If schools, work and social networks open up, there will be some relief. Unfortunately the financial pain will go on for many years. Of course all State Governments will want the Feds. to keep on  tipping in billions from a rapidly deepening vortex of debt. But the day of judgement will be when JobKeeper ends.


Let’s hope we won’t all feel  too deflated after the big announcement on Sunday.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
What will be the end cost of this lockdown and business damage.
Forget the cost. What is the monetary value of your life? If just one life is saved it is worth every cent.
Graham4405
Then you should ban people from driving cars, riding bikes and participating in a whole other raft of activities.

Last year 310,000 people presented to hospitals with influenza and around 900 Australians died of influenza related illness https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-11/early-outbreaks-to-blame-for-worst-flu-season-on-record/11949320

So by your logic I guess Australia should move to stage 4 restrictions on a permanent basis. If just one life is worth every cent we might as well torch the economy and just all stay at home forever Smile
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I am pleased to have my valiant attempts to APPEAR knowledgeable (ie a clever dick) here on RP recognised.

I must devise an unexplained acronym to replace 'proletariat' in some future useless post in order to maintain my newly attained standing.
"YM-Mundrabilla"
If you do this, I shall arrange to have you horsewhipped on the steps of your club, sir. Harumph!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
...proletariat...
I had to Google what that meant! Should be a word used over at RB! Razz
KRviator
Someone’s never read Marx.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

What will be the end cost of this lockdown and business damage.
Forget the cost. What is the monetary value of your life? If just one life is saved it is worth every cent.
Do you seriously believe this?
Absolutely. If we all get sick and many of us die, of what use is whatever is left of the economy?
It will be good for the 99.9% of people who wont die.

Anyway you have changed your statement...first you are saying saving just one life is worth total destruction of the economy, then you are talking about "if we all get sick."

The vast majority of people who catch COVID have no symptoms, a smaller number have mild symptoms. People should really give up on this "we are all gonna get sick if we catch it" fear-mongering line.
Two different statements.
Currently 25,637,634 cases and 854,772 deaths is enough reason to be fearful of this virus.
Source
Graham4405
I am quite aware of that site, it is where I go to check the numbers every week or so. Less than a million people globally have died in about 10 months since this virus broke out. About 60 million people die each year globally from all causes.

I don't think that is cause to be "fearful," especially when case numbers are likely underrepresented by an order of magnitude and the global daily deaths are in decline.

This time next year COVID-19 wont be in the media, but the economy will be...
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
What will be the end cost of this lockdown and business damage.
Forget the cost. What is the monetary value of your life? If just one life is saved it is worth every cent.
Do you seriously believe this?
Absolutely. If we all get sick and many of us die, of what use is whatever is left of the economy?
It will be good for the 99.9% of people who wont die.

Anyway you have changed your statement...first you are saying saving just one life is worth total destruction of the economy, then you are talking about "if we all get sick."

The vast majority of people who catch COVID have no symptoms, a smaller number have mild symptoms. People should really give up on this "we are all gonna get sick if we catch it" fear-mongering line.
Two different statements.
Currently 25,637,634 cases and 854,772 deaths is enough reason to be fearful of this virus.
Source
I am quite aware of that site, it is where I go to check the numbers every week or so. Less than a million people globally have died in about 10 months since this virus broke out. About 60 million people die each year globally from all causes.

I don't think that is cause to be "fearful," especially when case numbers are likely underrepresented by an order of magnitude and the global daily deaths are in decline.

This time next year COVID-19 wont be in the media, but the economy will be...
Mr. Lane
The thing I have noticed with that is, the deaths seem to drop, then rise, then drop etc etc, I don't think they are on the way down so to speak, They seem to be maintaining a normal trend for the moment , also, some countries with a lot poorer health systems than ours haven't really felt the virus as yet, so that may well become a big factor going forward.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I am pleased to have my valiant attempts to APPEAR knowledgeable (ie a clever dick) here on RP recognised.

I must devise an unexplained acronym to replace 'proletariat' in some future useless post in order to maintain my newly attained standing.
If you do this, I shall arrange to have you horsewhipped on the steps of your club, sir. Harumph!
Valvegear
Valvegear,
Is this a promise or just a threat?
Coincidentally, perhaps fortuitously, it just so happens that am working on some new acronyms as we speak!
Regards
DADFA
(Deputy Assistant Director of F... All)
RPCD
(Railpage Clever Dick)
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
...proletariat...
I had to Google what that meant! Should be a word used over at RB! Razz
Someone’s never read Marx.
Aaron
Or any other Marxist Writer for that matter thats came since!
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

The thing I have noticed with that is, the deaths seem to drop, then rise, then drop etc etc, I don't think they are on the way down so to speak, They seem to be maintaining a normal trend for the moment , also, some countries with a lot poorer health systems than ours haven't really felt the virus as yet, so that may well become a big factor going forward.
lsrailfan
If you check country-by-county, the European countries haven't had a return of deaths. It was pretty much a March-April event for them.

In the Americas the numbers seem to have sustained themselves for much longer, but there are signs that deaths may be starting to decline. The US seems to have had two bumps: first when it tore through the big cities, then again a smaller bump when it moved into the rest of the lower-density states.

Much of the 3rd world hasn't been hard hit at all, at least yet. I am really surprised that India hasn't been much harder hit...but they also have a very young population, as does much of Africa.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Only five more sleeps until Dan the Man reveals the THE PLAN.


On an even more positive note, apparently us long suffering country folk will get a separate road map out of this mess. A small consolation for the tens of thousands that have suffered so much, and there hasn’t even been a mild case of COVID-19 within hundreds of kilometres of many.


Country restrictions, except for social distancing and mask wearing, need to be lifted immediately so that suffering country communities can plan on reopening their golf, bowls, cricket, CWA, Probus clubs etc. etc. to see them through the summer. The shutting down of schools and junior sport this year has been an absolute tragedy for some families



Not many politicians, especially Dan the “I’ll build a tunnel Man” realize the extreme social isolation that many country (not just regional) people are feeling at the moment.  If schools, work and social networks open up, there will be some relief. Unfortunately the financial pain will go on for many years. Of course all State Governments will want the Feds. to keep on  tipping in billions from a rapidly deepening vortex of debt. But the day of judgement will be when JobKeeper ends.


Let’s hope we won’t all feel  too deflated after the big announcement on Sunday.
brownhillboy
Jobseeker COVID supplement and JobKeeper are both due to fall to their lower rates later this month; Jobseeker COVID supplement is falling by more than half from $550 p/fortnight to $250 p/fortnight while Jobkeeper falls from $1,500 p/fortnight to $1,200 p/fortnight with much stricter conditions on who can receive it.

There's going to be a lot of people who have been on the dole since the start of this crisis who have never experienced what the reality is of living on that meager amount of money (and it doesn't even revert to that rate until December) and they're in for a massive shock. I'm still expecting a massive wave of bankruptcies when all this government spending eases off - a friend of mine who works in a specialist liquidation auction house here in Adelaide says that they've been run off their feet with all the work coming in. It'll probably get even busier in the future.

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