Daniel Andrews Imploding Act

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Africans are the ones that profiled something shocking in Communist China.  And Victoria's 'Dear Leader' is the one sucking up to the racists and concentration camp operators in that place...
I suppose you hold Andrews responsible for the Port of Darwin being in Chinese hands for 99 years.
Valvegear
No.  I blame Adam Giles responsible for that terrible mistake.

But I do blame Dictator Dan for imposing a curfew and surveillance state that is NOT backed by medical advice:

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  doyle Deputy Commissioner
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Africans are the ones that profiled something shocking in Communist China.  And Victoria's 'Dear Leader' is the one sucking up to the racists and concentration camp operators in that place...
I suppose you hold Andrews responsible for the Port of Darwin being in Chinese hands for 99 years.
No.  I blame Adam Giles responsible for that terrible mistake.

But I do blame Dictator Dan for imposing a curfew and surveillance state that is NOT backed by medical advice:
Carnot
And now Tim Smith rant about the pre-eminence of "medical advice". Not so long ago it was inter-alia "they don't know everything".

Reality check. Medical advice is a major consideration but not the only one.
In the case of lock-down and curfews,  its all about how people behave - behavioral scientists are an essential tool who are not medicos.

And we all could see the disgraceful behavior of some that was putting many at risk. It has to stop.

For the record, I did actually listen to the interview. Mr Sutton clearly stated that whilst it was not a medical decision, he was consulted and does support it.

cheers
John
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
No.  I blame Adam Giles responsible for that terrible mistake.

But I do blame Dictator Dan for imposing a curfew and surveillance state that is NOT backed by medical advice:
"Carnot"
How strange; I don't remember seeing any of your vituperative criticism aimed at Giles for his deal with China.

Next, you are obviously not watching the news in Victoria. Do you seriously believe that Brett Sutton et al would appear with Andrews if he was ignoring their advice?

You are still talking through the back of your neck, blinded by some form of ignorant ideology. I live in hope that you will mature, and learn to deal in hard evidence instead of brainwashed, childish emotion.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Africans are the ones that profiled something shocking in Communist China.  And Victoria's 'Dear Leader' is the one sucking up to the racists and concentration camp operators in that place...
I suppose you hold Andrews responsible for the Port of Darwin being in Chinese hands for 99 years.
Valvegear
The NT government is in so much debt that it's simply incredible - $22,000 for each Territorian and its expanding so rapidly that its projected to be $30,000,000,000 or $120,000 per resident by the end of this decade if it isn't reigned in. There's so many public servants in the NT that an astonishing one-in-ten residents works for the government in some capacity, and yet just before the recent election Chief Minister Michael Gunner granted all public servants a 2.5% pay rise costing Territory taxpayers an extra $60 million. Irresponsible in the extreme.

All this despite a fire sale of assets including the Port of Darwin and the Territory Insurance Office that admittedly occurred under the Country-Liberal Party a few years ago.

Anyway... there's a strong rumor on Twitter tonight that Chairman Dan will resign in about two or three weeks as he's had enough of being Chairman and wants to give a new dictator enough of a run up to try and win the next state election in a few years. We'll see.
  Upven Junior Train Controller

I can say my view of Daniel Andrews has dramatically changed from a few months ago, when I was supporting him in this thread. Gone are those days, and gone are the days of the economy being able to help us post-covid.

My friend who works for Target management told me today that they're having difficulty getting direct word from the government on when they can reopen, and are out of the loop on any information. They have no clue who Andrews claims to be talking to, when he says he's speaking with the business community. Target/Kmart stores wont open for seven weeks minimum.

I think curfew is only being extended to 9pm, because daylight savings is coming soon, and imagine the outcry at being locked in whilst the suns up.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I can say my view of Daniel Andrews has dramatically changed from a few months ago, when I was supporting him in this thread. Gone are those days, and gone are the days of the economy being able to help us post-covid.
Upven
The cracks are definitely starting to show in support for Andrews (who it must be remembered holds government with a very large margin) among people I speak to.

Talking to a friend last night, I have known her for 30 years and she is a lifelong Labour voter and staunch bleeding heart lefty by her own admission.

I was astonished when she said "you know I'm supportive of our Dan and what choice do we have etc. but I will be pretty pissed off if we meet the criteria for lifting restrictions early and they don't do something about it..."

Some other friends I have spoken to recently have jumped off the bandwagon already
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I hear this lease may soon be cancelled. Read it somewhere can't recall where.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I can say my view of Daniel Andrews has dramatically changed from a few months ago, when I was supporting him in this thread. Gone are those days, and gone are the days of the economy being able to help us post-covid.
The cracks are definitely starting to show in support for Andrews (who it must be remembered holds government with a very large margin) among people I speak to.

Talking to a friend last night, I have known her for 30 years and she is a lifelong Labour voter and staunch bleeding heart lefty by her own admission.

I was astonished when she said "you know I'm supportive of our Dan and what choice do we have etc. but I will be pretty pissed off if we meet the criteria for lifting restrictions early and they don't do something about it..."

Some other friends I have spoken to recently have jumped off the bandwagon already
BrentonGolding
Yeah but BG, Michael O'Brien isn't by any stretch of the imagination the Alternative.


Michael
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Daniel is not going anywhere, he is here to stay.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Yeah but BG, Michael O'Brien isn't by any stretch of the imagination the Alternative.


Michael
mejhammers1
Indeed not but that takes me back to one of my least favourite things about modern politics - the least worst option! Many voters don't like either option but vote for the one they dislike the least such is the state of the game in this and many other western democracies which have been hijacked by the Political Class.

I don't think O'Brien is there to be elected, with the Libs suffering such a huge loss in the last poll I think he is a chair warmer for the next likely leader who will come forward when it is a bit more likely that they will have a decent shot at unseating Labor.

I would have said that was at least another full cycle away but with the current crisis who knows?

And a note about how good my political nouse is, I confidently predicted that Trump would NEVER be elected on the grounds that despite him having a large and growing supporter base at the time he would not get enough votes from among "ordinary voters". Oh dear.......
  brownhillboy Train Controller

There will no surprise when Andrews steps aside with a pathetic excuse. I hope that his very inglorious past catches up with him before he goes, but practicality says it will not. Those who know Daniel's darkest secrets will have been paid off by now and evidence destroyed. I hope that the worthy politicians and administrators, who left the public service over the past 18 months having seen their careers destroyed by Andrew's then unyielding power, will get some satisfaction when he eventually falls on his sword.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

I'm telling you Don, laugh as much as you want Dan is going nowhere
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Those who know Daniel's darkest secrets will have been paid off by now and evidence destroyed.
brownhillboy
OK - now put that in the public arena with your name on it so that we can all enjoy the defamation lawsuit.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Yeah but BG, Michael O'Brien isn't by any stretch of the imagination the Alternative.


Michael
Indeed not but that takes me back to one of my least favourite things about modern politics - the least worst option! Many voters don't like either option but vote for the one they dislike the least such is the state of the game in this and many other western democracies which have been hijacked by the Political Class.

I don't think O'Brien is there to be elected, with the Libs suffering such a huge loss in the last poll I think he is a chair warmer for the next likely leader who will come forward when it is a bit more likely that they will have a decent shot at unseating Labor.

I would have said that was at least another full cycle away but with the current crisis who knows?

And a note about how good my political nouse is, I confidently predicted that Trump would NEVER be elected on the grounds that despite him having a large and growing supporter base at the time he would not get enough votes from among "ordinary voters". Oh dear.......
BrentonGolding
But surely, Andrews is no Trump. At least you can point to achievements with Andrews. Infrastructure, job creation (pre-COVID) etc. he is no least worse, he is simply much, much better than O'Brien. What's the political class? I know it is a popular slogan, along with political elites, uttered by people like Trump, Johnson, Meghan McCain, Le Pen, whilst standing to inherit large sums of money. Yes those fighters for the little man!!

Trump, blunder after blunder noted for his disdain for the military and reporters (especially Black Female reporters).


Michael
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Yeah but BG, Michael O'Brien isn't by any stretch of the imagination the Alternative.


Michael
Indeed not but that takes me back to one of my least favourite things about modern politics - the least worst option! Many voters don't like either option but vote for the one they dislike the least such is the state of the game in this and many other western democracies which have been hijacked by the Political Class.

I don't think O'Brien is there to be elected, with the Libs suffering such a huge loss in the last poll I think he is a chair warmer for the next likely leader who will come forward when it is a bit more likely that they will have a decent shot at unseating Labor.

I would have said that was at least another full cycle away but with the current crisis who knows?

And a note about how good my political nouse is, I confidently predicted that Trump would NEVER be elected on the grounds that despite him having a large and growing supporter base at the time he would not get enough votes from among "ordinary voters". Oh dear.......
But surely, Andrews is no Trump. At least you can point to achievements with Andrews. Infrastructure, job creation (pre-COVID) etc. he is no least worse, he is simply much, much better than O'Brien. What's the political class? I know it is a popular slogan, along with political elites, uttered by people like Trump, Johnson, Meghan McCain, Le Pen, whilst standing to inherit large sums of money. Yes those fighters for the little man!!

Trump, blunder after blunder noted for his disdain for the military and reporters (especially Black Female reporters).


Michael
mejhammers1
I wasn't comparing Andrews to Trump, it was an attempt at a humorous comment on my observations on the next election cycle.

I think you might be either jumping to conclusions about my politics or deliberately trying to paint me as something that I am not. Or both.

Either way, knock yourself out!

As for the political class, I am sure you know what it is, a group of people on both sides of the divide who get into politics as a career choice and the industry of media advisers etc who they have built up around them. The Hollowmen anyone?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Yeah but BG, Michael O'Brien isn't by any stretch of the imagination the Alternative.


Michael
Indeed not but that takes me back to one of my least favourite things about modern politics - the least worst option! Many voters don't like either option but vote for the one they dislike the least such is the state of the game in this and many other western democracies which have been hijacked by the Political Class.

I don't think O'Brien is there to be elected, with the Libs suffering such a huge loss in the last poll I think he is a chair warmer for the next likely leader who will come forward when it is a bit more likely that they will have a decent shot at unseating Labor.

I would have said that was at least another full cycle away but with the current crisis who knows?

And a note about how good my political nouse is, I confidently predicted that Trump would NEVER be elected on the grounds that despite him having a large and growing supporter base at the time he would not get enough votes from among "ordinary voters". Oh dear.......
But surely, Andrews is no Trump. At least you can point to achievements with Andrews. Infrastructure, job creation (pre-COVID) etc. he is no least worse, he is simply much, much better than O'Brien. What's the political class? I know it is a popular slogan, along with political elites, uttered by people like Trump, Johnson, Meghan McCain, Le Pen, whilst standing to inherit large sums of money. Yes those fighters for the little man!!

Trump, blunder after blunder noted for his disdain for the military and reporters (especially Black Female reporters).


Michael
I wasn't comparing Andrews to Trump, it was an attempt at a humorous comment on my observations on the next election cycle.

I think you might be either jumping to conclusions about my politics or deliberately trying to paint me as something that I am not. Or both.

Either way, knock yourself out!

As for the political class, I am sure you know what it is, a group of people on both sides of the divide who get into politics as a career choice and the industry of media advisers etc who they have built up around them. The Hollowmen anyone?
BrentonGolding
I must remember not to leave out a question mark. It was an ironic question BG. And merely answering your point of the least worst option, that's all. Trump was maybe the lease worst option against Clinton, Andrews was simply a lot better than Guy and is much better than O'Brien. I am not jumping to any conclusions at all. Sorry that you feel that way. No need to be defensive.

I confidently predicted that Trump would NEVER be elected on the grounds that despite him having a large and growing supporter base at the time he would not get enough votes from among "ordinary voters". Oh dear.......

Lost the Popular vote by 3 million, won three key states by less than 70,000 which delivered him victory via the Electoral College.

As for the political class, I am sure you know what it is, a group of people on both sides of the divide who get into politics as a career choice and the industry of media advisers etc who they have built up around them. The Hollowmen anyone?

Yes and there are many grass root progressives winning Primaries in the US and yet they are denounced as being commie rabble rousers. And yet they are the only ones who are formulating policy to help the least fortunate. Joe Biden and the Corporate Dems will offer a few token gestures and as far as Trump is concerned, the working class can kiss his a$$. So what does the ordinary person want?


Michael
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
A rumour doing the Twitter rounds that Tim Pallas is going to call for a leadership spill to replace Dan...
People really are jumping at anything at the moment.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
A rumour doing the Twitter rounds that Tim Pallas is going to call for a leadership spill to replace Dan...
People really are jumping at anything at the moment.
lkernan
Only thing worse than people that start rumours, is those that spread them.

Be careful.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Only thing worse than people that start rumours, is those that spread them.

Be careful.
DirtyBallast
Why?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Tim "Transurban" Pallas?

Nah, Jacinta Allan has been groomed for the job for the last decade...
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Only thing worse than people that start rumours, is those that spread them.

Be careful.
"DirtyBallast"


Why?
"BrentonGolding"

Because we might start one about you and that seven-foot transvestite.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Only thing worse than people that start rumours, is those that spread them.

Be careful.


Why?

Because we might start one about you and that seven-foot transvestite.
Valvegear
Meh, fake news. And anyway I was drunk and didn't realise till it was too late Laughing

On a more serious note though I really don't understand the be careful bit. Is that some kind of warning? Are we not allowed to discuss rumours on RP any more or only ones about Dan Andrews?

BTW after I read that post I did a quick google news search on Tim Pallas and it is not only RP users who are discussing these "rumours" so I think the cat might have slipped out of the snake sack on that one
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Interesting. A first sight, I have to say that I can't see a stand-out contender to replace Andrews.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Only thing worse than people that start rumours, is those that spread them.

Be careful.
Why?
BrentonGolding
Because Dan still has his fans I guess, despite the fact that I don't think his leadership will last much longer.

Victoria is really in a bad way economically speaking and its about to get a whole lot worse. In the meantime the Real Estate Institute of Victoria is advising landlords to refuse requests from tenants for rent increases and to refer every time to VCAT in order to deliberately choke the system - Realestate.com.au;

Victoria’s peak real estate body is advising its members to “refuse to negotiate rent reductions” with tenants in COVID-19 hardship until the state government engages in “genuine consultation” with the industry.

The hard-line stance comes after the government’s “roadmap for reopening” revealed physical inspections of Melbourne homes won’t be allowed again until at least October 26, essentially keeping the property market on ice well into its busiest selling season of the year.

Property players described Sunday as a “disastrous” and “grim day for real estate”, saying buyers and renters having the ability to set foot in the homes they’re interested in is crucial to the selling and leasing processes...

...In-person inspections have been outlawed in Melbourne since stage four lockdown began in early August, with real estate agents, photographers, videographers and stylists banned alongside buyers from attending homes.

SQM managing director Louis Christopher said this had caused a “near entire freeze up” of the market, while buyer’s advocate Frank Valentic said it had “literally shut down the property market”.

Fellow buyer’s advocate Cate Bakos called Sunday a “grim day for real estate”, as it had kicked off “another seven weeks of not being able to transact or inspect”.

She said Victorian real estate professionals would be “absolutely bleeding” as a result.

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