Daniel Andrews Imploding Act

 
  John E Locomotive Fireman

A bit off topic - It has been reported that an 26 year old ADF officer has been caught with a woman in his room, while quarantining in a Hotel in Sydney.

They were only caught when officers in the Hotel heard "sounds" coming from the mans room. Very poor behavior by the officer and unusual that no one noticed this woman sneaking into the mans room.

Everyone keeps banging on about how perfect the ADF would have been in Victoria. I am not for a moment excusing decisions made to use private security used for Hotel quarantine in Melbourne, however a bit of perspective should be used here.

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  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
How the frig does the customer drop off the dog and/or the groomer pick it up if they don't do it in person? Your imaginary scenario is impossible, of course they have to have contact with each other to do the service - what does the customer do - leave the dog tied up at the letterbox?

I didn't slander anyone, I just pointed out that Jim Penman needs to buy himself an upper house MP.

You on the other hand live in a delusional la la world - or perhaps you're someone who does dog grooming for a living?
don_dunstan
An example on point that you just dont listen to anything other than the echo inside your head.

I informed at the outset that grooming must be a drop off service. Something you just ignore and continue to argue against something that does not exist.

Libel ( oops - Slander is verbal) is in the mind of the reader. When you write someone is unduly influencing a decision, and in the next sentence suggest influence is up for sale - the dots are there to be linked. Your meaning was clear.

As equally clear your bias suggesting persons of Indian or Chinese residence are going to swarn through OZ with disease. Dont deny that you wrote it
All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.
don_dunstan
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Dr van Diemen (of Captain Cook fame in case anybody has forgotten her as she has vanished from the public eye since being shifted sideways) up at the enquiry today with more revelations about people being allowed out of hotel Q while awaiting a test result

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-17/victorian-hotel-quarantine-inquiry-deputy-chief-health-officer/12672058

Her evidence so far included this little pearl ""I believe that people's behaviour shifts significantly when they know that they have an infectious disease that is causing a worldwide pandemic," she said."

Yeah, and I believe in Unicorns but I ain't seen one yet.......
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?
NSWGR8022
Yep, he needs to answer for that one? He should come clean.


Michael
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Contrast Dr AvD's optimism with the reality as covered in this article which I found this morning after hearing an interview with a senior CoHealth official on Radio National last evening (no idea why the only article I could find about it was in the Brisbane Times buy hey....... it is what it is).

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/i-was-so-frightened-new-program-helps-high-risk-communities-isolate-20200915-p55vu2.html

You have to read down a fair way to get into the meat of the story but if you have a few minutes it is a bit of an eye opener. CoHealth BTW are a community health organisation with branches in Yarra, West Melbourne and Footscray that I know of, I used the one in Collingwood when I lived in the Hood, really good organisation although a bit of a revolving door of doctors as they get paid bugger all.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?
Yep, he needs to answer for that one? He should come clean.


Michael
mejhammers1
Agreed, his denials of a few weeks ago are not looking very plausible after recent revelations in the enquiry.

Interestingly the documents that really dropped he and Crisp in it were "voluntary" evidence submitted to the enquiry by the Commonwealth Solicitor General's office IIRC.......
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?
"NSWGR8022"
I don't see Andrews being dumb enough to lie about it. To me, the 64 dollar question is exactly as NSWGR has asked - how could he not have seen them? If he didn't, I have to start wondering about the efficiency (or lack of) in the Premier's office. Whatever the answer, the buck still stops with Dan. There's gross inefficiency somewhere. (I wonder if he has his own equivalent of Peta Credlin).
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Excellent article from Chris Ulhmann in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald pointing out that Dan Andrews is destroying the village to save the village:

Soon enough there will be a global reckoning on whether the coronavirus defences did more damage than the disease.

It will be driven by the swingeing economic destruction imposed by governments that will deliver millions into poverty, driving internal and external conflicts. Beggared states will turn inward, the world will become more polarised, angrier, more dangerous.

In time it's a fair bet the cure will be seen by many as the real curse, as people whose lives have been destroyed seek retribution...

...COVID-19 mostly kills the elderly, especially if they have an existing chronic disease. That is not an argument to let them die but it should guide government responses.

Of the 816 Australian deaths the vast majority, 606, were in residential aged care. So if you are going to throw a ring of steel around anything it should be around aged care homes, not Melbourne. The rest of the population should be liberated to get on with their lives while taking sensible health precautions...

...If the argument is we must do everything in our power to protect the elderly then were are already doing well. Federal Health Department data, first published in The Australian, shows that there were almost 1000 fewer deaths in residential aged care in the first seven months of this year than in the same time last year.

I sourced the same data from the department and received two a tables and a note.

"The lower number of deaths for this period in 2020 (32,398) compared to the same period in 2019 (33,383) is likely the result of increased influenza immunisation rates, and increased infection control protocols introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic," the health department note said.

So, why is it a crime for someone to die of COVID-19 in care but it's OK if they die of absolutely anything else?

This disease has revealed the character of our leaders and hammered home some uncomfortable truths about us as a people. As a nation we seem comfortable with authoritarianism and too many relish the role of prefect.

And nowhere in this often-opaque democracy has a less transparent court system, bureaucracy, police force or government than Victoria. The people there have been badly served, even as some revelled in the servitude. Its systems of power have combined to deliver the wanton destruction of its vibrant society. Its government has condemned its people to a poorer future, to higher unemployment, more poverty and less opportunity.

Rejoice. Dan Andrews has destroyed the village to save it.

The way that we have reacted to this disease as a nation is destroying the lives of the young in order to do everything they possibly could to save the lives of people in their eighties and nineties. Why? Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?

And all this will turn out to be for nothing if there's a third wave.

I am a volunteer in an aged care facility, the notion that you can "ring fence" an aged care home/nursing home is quite laughable, some of these nursing homes fall within the general community areas, if you have a massive outbreak in the community of Covid-19, regrettably, it will make it's way in to these facilities, ring fencing them means that the people that work in there will more or less have to live on site somewhere, or close by, these people also have families, to me, it's quite impractical.
lsrailfan
This is actually the approach that has been taken in some other countries including Germany.

It baffles me that we find it more acceptable to lock down 5 million people and destroy the economy of an entire city than to instead lock down the people who are at risk and the people who look after them.

We have taken a sledgehammer approach to a problem that requires a scalpel.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

With all due respect, that's why I think Andrews is taking the long way round to come out of lockdown, he wants to make absolutely certain that there will be NO third wave, If Victoria can get the numbers down to 10-15 cases per day say, that SHOULD be good enough for the contact tracers to do their job,  the only thing that worries me is, have Victoria now got better contact tracers than they had before, I sure darned hope so!!
All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.
don_dunstan
And you can bet the centerpiece of the Governments plan for economic recovery will involve pumping the country with increased immigration because the liberal party have no other ideas.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

The way that we have reacted to this disease as a nation is destroying the lives of the young in order to do everything they possibly could to save the lives of people in their eighties and nineties. Why? Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?

And all this will turn out to be for nothing if there's a third wave.
don_dunstan

The vast bulk of people who will have been saved by the Stage 4 lock-down will be long dead anyway before we recover economically from this. The Millennial generation in the west first had to deal with the GFC, then a decade of no wage growth and now this unnecessary COVID paranoia induced recession.

I doubt there has ever been a time in history where so much sacrifice has been made for the elderly.

Next we will have to foot the bill for it whilst the Boomers live on their generous pensions.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
With all due respect, that's why I think Andrews is taking the long way round to come out of lockdown, he wants to make absolutely certain that there will be NO third wave, If Victoria can get the numbers down to 10-15 cases per day say, that SHOULD be good enough for the contact tracers to do their job,  the only thing that worries me is, have Victoria now got better contact tracers than they had before, I sure darned hope so!!
All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.
And you can bet the centerpiece of the Governments plan for economic recovery will involve pumping the country with increased immigration because the liberal party have no other ideas.
Mr. Lane
They're desperate to start flying in 'skilled' migrants (the ones that bring you Uber Eats) and foreign 'students' (96% of which work in low-skilled occupations after getting residency according to the Productivity Commission) because they think this is the only way to re-start the economy.

They can't be bothered even thinking about the 100,000 Aussie citizens trapped overseas and unable to get back here - they're just a sunk cost and a burden.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?
I don't see Andrews being dumb enough to lie about it. To me, the 64 dollar question is exactly as NSWGR has asked - how could he not have seen them? If he didn't, I have to start wondering about the efficiency (or lack of) in the Premier's office. Whatever the answer, the buck still stops with Dan. There's gross inefficiency somewhere. (I wonder if he has his own equivalent of Peta Credlin).
Valvegear
One really has to wonder about the competency of the bureaucracy and/or its coordination in Victoria.
Perhaps replace 'dumb' with 'devious' but either way there are too many unanswered questions.
When/if we get out of this Andrews will be declared either our saviour or an incompetent tyrant.
Nevertheless he seems our only chance at the moment.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

With all due respect, that's why I think Andrews is taking the long way round to come out of lockdown, he wants to make absolutely certain that there will be NO third wave, If Victoria can get the numbers down to 10-15 cases per day say, that SHOULD be good enough for the contact tracers to do their job,  the only thing that worries me is, have Victoria now got better contact tracers than they had before, I sure darned hope so!!
All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.
And you can bet the centerpiece of the Governments plan for economic recovery will involve pumping the country with increased immigration because the liberal party have no other ideas.
They're desperate to start flying in 'skilled' migrants (the ones that bring you Uber Eats) and foreign 'students' (96% of which work in low-skilled occupations after getting residency according to the Productivity Commission) because they think this is the only way to re-start the economy.

They can't be bothered even thinking about the 100,000 Aussie citizens trapped overseas and unable to get back here - they're just a sunk cost and a burden.
don_dunstan
Indian migrants in particular have become to Australia what Mexicans are to the USA: an indentured labor underclass. I do think Australia needs a skilled migration program, but the system as it is now has little to do with bringing skills into the country and a lot to do with supplying cheap labor who have few rights and little power to stand up to their employers.

Record immigration over the last 10 years and no wage growth in the same period...coincidence? I think not.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?
I don't see Andrews being dumb enough to lie about it. To me, the 64 dollar question is exactly as NSWGR has asked - how could he not have seen them? If he didn't, I have to start wondering about the efficiency (or lack of) in the Premier's office. Whatever the answer, the buck still stops with Dan. There's gross inefficiency somewhere. (I wonder if he has his own equivalent of Peta Credlin).
Valvegear
NO, f&$# NO, surely there can’t be two or equivalent Peta Cretins?Crying or Very sad
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?
I don't see Andrews being dumb enough to lie about it. To me, the 64 dollar question is exactly as NSWGR has asked - how could he not have seen them? If he didn't, I have to start wondering about the efficiency (or lack of) in the Premier's office. Whatever the answer, the buck still stops with Dan. There's gross inefficiency somewhere. (I wonder if he has his own equivalent of Peta Credlin).
One really has to wonder about the competency of the bureaucracy and/or its coordination in Victoria.
Perhaps replace 'dumb' with 'devious' but either way there are too many unanswered questions.
When/if we get out of this Andrews will be declared either our saviour or an incompetent tyrant.
Nevertheless he seems our only chance at the moment.
YM-Mundrabilla
As you say time will tell, at least Andrews will and allow officials to actually front up and answer questions.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Jobkeeper is a joke no Australians to fill the positions family member works in planning in Adelaide all the Australian workers have been stood down bar one  and all the Indian visa holders still have their jobs
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

The immigration Ponzi scheme continues
False employment figures today

Morrison lies lies and continues to lies and manages to avoid scrutiny, preacher man talks in tongues has seen too many episodes of Dora the explorer
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?
I don't see Andrews being dumb enough to lie about it. To me, the 64 dollar question is exactly as NSWGR has asked - how could he not have seen them? If he didn't, I have to start wondering about the efficiency (or lack of) in the Premier's office. Whatever the answer, the buck still stops with Dan. There's gross inefficiency somewhere. (I wonder if he has his own equivalent of Peta Credlin).
One really has to wonder about the competency of the bureaucracy and/or its coordination in Victoria.
Perhaps replace 'dumb' with 'devious' but either way there are too many unanswered questions.
When/if we get out of this Andrews will be declared either our saviour or an incompetent tyrant.
Nevertheless he seems our only chance at the moment.
As you say time will tell, at least Andrews will and allow officials to actually front up and answer questions.
michaelgm
Perhaps another mistake that he will come to regret. SmileSmile
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Dictator Dan's growing list of public servants that don't support him: First the Police Commissioner, then the Chief Health Officer and now a senior bureaucrat from the Treasury:

An economist with the Victorian Department of Finance and Treasury has resigned so he can call out Labor Premier Dan Andrews’ handling of the pandemic and the “police state” imposed on Melbourne residents.

Sanjeev Sabhlok, who ­resigned last week, has condemned the policies implemented by Mr Andrews and warned they will unfairly punish the poorest communities in Victoria while holding back business ­investment, skilled migration, education and tourism.

In an opinion piece written for the Australian Financial Review, Mr Sabhlok accuses Mr Andrews of being heavy handed in his ­response to the virus and likens it to the use of a “sledgehammer to kill a swarm of flies”.

Mr Sabhlok — who operates a blog largely dedicated to political and economic reform in India — argues the restrictions in Victoria will signal to the world Australia is “closed for business and doesn’t care for human freedoms”. He makes the argument that restrictions “could never have been justified” even if the coronavirus was to have proved as ­deadly as the Spanish flu.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I watched this bloke on Credlin for a couple of minutes yesterday between ads on whatever was on somewhere else, had no idea what he was talking about,neither did he , and Peta sitting there so smug, thinking about how she always bags out unelected public servants  and now she's got one to bag out Premier Dan. In the end Peta looked like a rather embarrassed deckhand.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Dictator Dan's growing list of public servants that don't support him: First the Police Commissioner, then the Chief Health Officer and now a senior bureaucrat from the Treasury:

An economist with the Victorian Department of Finance and Treasury has resigned so he can call out Labor Premier Dan Andrews’ handling of the pandemic and the “police state” imposed on Melbourne residents.
"don-dunstan"
Who cares what some ex public servant thinks? He's an economist with an opinion and no medical expertise. I hope he appreciates living in a country where he's free to quit and slag off the Premier. Don's "growing list" is now up to three; two of whom are specialists in public order and health, and one of whom isn't.  He's the equivalent of a netball goalie telling Alastair Clarkson or Nathan Buckley how to coach AFL football.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8518-victorian-stage-4-restrictions-september-10-2020-202009091315


Suck on that Ruperters
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Dan Andrews Govt is in strife I reckon.  Premier's Cabinet demanded Private Security companies guard the hotels:
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A jump in numbers today to 45 new cases in Vic.  Are they getting control of the Narre Warren cluster or is that doing a Keilor Downs family cluster Mk II?

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