Dookie Line

 
  beanzs27 Assistant Commissioner

I was under the impression that the rail trail was to either folllow the line or be on roads rather than on the actual rail formation but I could be wrong

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  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
the line is technicaly booked out of service, not de-comisioned. If all reports are accurate, with the source being on the money so far, they are going flat out to get some of these lines active again. It may be they have 12 months or more of work scheduled, and are not talking more about re-opening other lines until they have caught up - or they are well advanced with plans to re-open the line and those that know such things are keeping their mouths shut about it within the railfan community.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
A recently erected sign at Dookie leaves no doubts that the proposed 2nd stage of the rail trail is to replace the existing rail line.

Plenty of trucks at Dookie Graincorp this morning. Possibly near 20, the ones I got a clear view of were either loading or waiting to load.
A fair amount of grain still there in bunkers.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
According to the rail trail website ( http://www.railtrails.org.au/states/trails.php3?action=trail&trail=120&gallery=940#gallery ):

"Another possible plan is to construct a rail side trail west to Cosgrove."

Wouldn't this indicate that it's a trail within the rail reserve (not sure how that goes with rail safety, etc...), but not replacing the line itself?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Drove past Dookie this afternoon lost count of the trucks waiting to unload, There were 16 or so in the que waiting to unload and at least another 10 waiting to be checked in. A little further up the road saw another three on the way to the silos. That would be in the order of 800 to 900 tons of Canola. At that rate they must be getting 2000 tons of grain a day and by the look of all the headers and the paddocks under grain plenty more on the way.
What ARE they thinking about with this line.

Looks to be plenty of above ground storage at Dookie and they will very likely need all of it.

2000 tons of grain is around 50 grain trucks with trailers or in the order 30 or so rail wagons.

Woodford
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
so how long has the line been closed? since 2007 according to vicsig. about to enter the third year by my reconing with a constant flow of grain rail traffic across the state, and its just this last few months that something is being done with some of our less used rail infrastructure. catchup with maintenance will likaly take until this time next year, on the off chance they are doing something with all the closed lines in the state, as well as the bg lines north of the border.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Just as a matter of interest a went over the other day and had a look to see what sort of condition the line is in.

There is small number of new sleepers but there is no sign of a sleeper cycle being in recent times. I checked two stretchs of around 6 to 8 sleepers first near Pine lodge the second near Dookie and at least 3/4's of the dog spikes could be moved by hand. For such a line the rail looks fairly straight and level. It is likely that at least 90 perccent of the sleepers are past there use by date. The points at Dookie do give the impression they have been lubricated some time sort of recent ish (last 5 to 8 years say).

As a comparison I had a look  at the Oaklands line a year or so before it was regauged and it was in a good deal better condition having at that time (say three years ago) not been long since a sleeper cycle in which 1 in 5 or 6 of the sleepers were replaced along the entire length of the line, including the points. Also all the points along the line showed recent signs of being lubricated and tested even ones at unused sidings such as Goorambat.

On the whole I would say the Dookie line is in a simliar state to the BG was between Seymour and Albury when services where suspended, ie not particularly good, but since its only 22 kilometres in length should not be to much or a problem to bring up to a suitable standard.

Woodford
  crusty Train Controller

This is less than 1/2 the distance of the Rainbow grain receival area. Why has graincorp not addressed the dookie issues? Could the tonnage per KM be higher? --Bill
"freightgate"



To answer freightgate's  question......from nearly 5 months ago....

" Submission by GrainCorp Operations Limited

Rail Freight Network Review

Victorian Rail Freight Network

17 August 2007................


We have set out our infrastructure on the Victorian rail network and average total

receivals2 by rail line in the map on the following page



2         FY04-FY06 average receivals for silos on rail lines including AWB Grainflow, ABA and ABB silos

............Page  2




GrainCorp Infrastructure and Total Grain Receivals on the Victorian Rail Network....(nice map)...

Line............ Dookie

Kilometres ...28

Receivals... 85kt "


Dookie listed in the key to the map as a "Primary Silo"..........23 Primary (Up country) Silos across Vict.......................

+ Marmalake & Dunolly Sub terminals.........  



............Page  2 ..at the top ....

- 27 primary silos. Most of these silos are located near a rail line (‘on rail’) and have a storage capacity of 100,000 tonnes each. These silos are responsible for managing 60% of the country grain received by GrainCorp (‘country grain receivals’); "

   

  






  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Woodford the Albury broad gauge mainline was 94lb rail CWR maintained to Class-2 track standard .  The Dookei line would be much older rail jointed and the track maintained to Class-4 standard before booking out .  So the Albury mainline would have been a much higher standard track than Dookie.

With the Class-4 grain lines provided they are not left without maintenance for too many years it does not take too much to bring them back up to Class-4 for traffic . Speed is not an issue but axle load is to a degree . In reopening lines like Yaapeet it is  case of attending to the drainage, removing vegetation, clear the grooves at lx and a decent tie renewal . Then grain trains can run at speeds like 50 kmh .
  crusty Train Controller


 This is another of the recommendations from the Grain Logistics Taskforce Report (GLTR)2012....http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1663081.htm (transferred this post from that thread)......link to complete report......

( Bevans has a live link to the Grain Logistics Taskforce Report (GLTR) ....A report by the state Transport Department has found that a lack of investment during more than 10 years of drought has left the state's freight rail infrastructure ailing and overstretched.......)





Infrastructure/ Network Issue


 

PN/GrainCorp Comments


 

Benefit


 

Long Term Fix





Reopen the line between Dimboola and Rainbow .

Reopen the line between Shepparton and Dookie .


 

DONE !!!!

Need to have a think about, full benefit, improved cycle times, tonnes   on line about 28 km, maybe split train Dookie - Murchison East


 
 
 
 


  crusty Train Controller

THis quote is dated.... Posted: 11 Nov 2010 22:19

I won't repeat my post from last night...see http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11356348-s60.htm Only to confirm that in the "Media Release Tuesday 18th May 2010 RELEASE OF GRAINCORP 2010 / 11 HARVEST FREIGHT RATES GrainCorp today released a comprehensive list of rail and road freight rates that will be used by the company when bidding for grain at GrainCorp sites during the 2010 / 11 harvest. " Dookie was listed as a 'costed' site DOOKIE ST..(Sub Terminal) ... Geelong...(Port Elevator Zone)...$ 27.65 per tonne (Wheat) as mentioned over in the "Portland thread" the GRAINCORP 2010 / 11 HARVEST FREIGHT RATES pdf file was changed on August 23, 2010 (when GrainCorp could see they needed Portland to move grain) format changed a bit... DOOKIE ST..... Rail.....(Method to applicable port elevator)...$ 27.65 per tonne Soooo GrainCorp have either been promised that Dookie will be available for rail (or they have been pressuring VicTrack to open it ?) since May 2010. Shocked
"crusty"


There is a Senate committee....Operational issues in export grain networks

Home



In the below document is some info provided by GrainCorp to questions raised by Senator Nash....refr page 36 of (PDF TOTAL) 45 pages.

"Answers to questions taken on notice in Canberra, ACT on 20 February 2012" (PDF 912KB)










Location  
 State 
 Port 
26/9/11 WHT 
29/6/11 BAR











DOOKIE ST
VIC
MELBOURNE
22
22



ie this info replicates & updates the "quoted" info...I am pretty sure the first column should read 29/6/11...ie freight rates calculated on the last day of the finacial year to be current for the 2011-12 financial year.


WHT means wheat rate ....BAR barley ie...less dense cereal grains which on rail generate a higher rail freight rate per ton as a wagon "full" of barley (in a cubic sense) is not upto the max weight of a grain wagon....hence the Barley rate per ton to Port is typically (for rail  15 to 16 %) greater than for wheat. ( ie rail wagons (certaily the older models) were designed to cart a "full" wagon of wheat).

If grain is carted direct to Port by truck eg DOOKIE @ present... this difference is irrelevant as a semi trailer/B Double tipping body trailer has the cubic capacity to cart a full legal load of the less dense (Barley) cereal grain..so the rate for Barley or wheat is $22 per ton...as indicated above.

What the above two sets of figure suggest to me is that it is $5 per ton cheaper to cart by road ($22) compared to the indicated "rail" figure ($27.65)  (even though no Dookie grain trains ran in 2010).

(GrainCorp have also equalised their freight rates so that Geelong rate = Melbourne (Sunshine) terminal.... so if most trucks in 2011/12 only run to Melbourne we are comparing road with a shorter haul. ???)







  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Gentlemen et alia, I draw your attention to a document I found today




And inside the document, the following map:

You may wish to closely examine the green text adajacent the green facsimile of railway line down the bottom of the map:

  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Uh, the Dookie line has a significant problem at Lemnos



Apparently its up to VicTrack to fix this. Whenever.

Caused by very heavy trucks using a Class C or D road as a bypass, methinks.
574M
The above is November 10, 2010

The below is April 20, 2019

  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Uh, the missing rail is not far away:

574M

Ah, yes, the missing rail and the view towards Congupna and Dookie:

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Victrack has failed in not bringing this line back into service for grain. Cookie is a main terminal.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Victrack has failed in not bringing this line back into service for grain. Cookie is a main terminal.
freightgate

1. Ah yes, good old Cookie.

2. It’s not VicTrack’s job.

3. Where’s the business case? Where will that grain go? How much is there?

4. Who’s paying? GrainCorp? The council? The state? You?
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Victrack has failed in not bringing this line back into service for grain. Cookie is a main terminal.
freightgate

We'll get this guy right on it.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
In November of 2010, I took a photo of the end-of-track at Dookie.



Today I passed through Dookie and had a camera; so I pulled up and took a few photos for now-and-then.

Here's where the end-of-track (was)




A walk around the tree, it is rather overgrown...



And a little further on, the familiar rail with disintegrating sleepers and 50 year old ballast...



and those rails will soon to be hidden when these saplings sprout... (you can be sure of that)



Far cry from 2010, then.

The Grahamvale - Dookie Rail Trail was promoted some time back in the local township planning for the Shepparton - Dookie corridor.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
A dam shame. Best hope there is for the line re-opening will be when SG conversion happens on the Shep/Tocomwall line, but thats going to be 10 years at least away I would expect. Only way the government would come to the party with any funding to open the line earlier would be if there was private money on the table.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
A dam shame. Best hope there is for the line re-opening will be when SG conversion happens on the Shep/Tocomwall line, but thats going to be 10 years at least away I would expect. Only way the government would come to the party with any funding to open the line earlier would be if there was private money on the table.
Galron
Could be wrong Galron but I reckon back at about 2015 when GrainCorp were doing their project regeneration job, that's when they shut some sites and upgraded others, they did want to do a deal with the Govt for the Dookis site, think they wanted to turn it into a major recieval site, not sure what happened except zero. GrainCorp did the same deal with the Murrayville line, chucked in some $$$ for the job.
james may have some documents or info in this.

BigShunter.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
A dam shame. Best hope there is for the line re-opening will be when SG conversion happens on the Shep/Tocomwall line, but thats going to be 10 years at least away I would expect. Only way the government would come to the party with any funding to open the line earlier would be if there was private money on the table.
Could be wrong Galron but I reckon back at about 2015 when GrainCorp were doing their project regeneration job, that's when they shut some sites and upgraded others, they did want to do a deal with the Govt for the Dookis site, think they wanted to turn it into a major recieval site, not sure what happened except zero. GrainCorp did the same deal with the Murrayville line, chucked in some $$$ for the job.
james may have some documents or info in this.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
I didnt hear the outcome, but do remember talk at the time of Graincorp wanting somthing done with the line. When i was at Dookie between lockdowns i noted a quite substantial grain recival facility there that did seem to still have use. I guess at the time what Graincorp was prepared to do, and the government didnt tick the boxes, so the line didnt get re-opened.

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