Budget should target new projects and upgrades: ARA

 
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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Melbourne airport rail link should proceed with finalised funding and the Murray Basin rail upgrade but maybe under ARTC control ?

Portland line needs some work. Also the business case for mount Ganbier has many benefits. 

Electrification for Geelong would also be good and completing the connection from Wvale to Werribee ?

Ballarat intermodal terminal also.

Southern NSW we could use some upgrades.

Budget should target new projects and upgrades: ARA

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  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Melbourne airport rail link should proceed with finalised funding and the Murray Basin rail upgrade but maybe under ARTC control ?

Portland line needs some work. Also the business case for mount Ganbier has many benefits.

Electrification for Geelong would also be good and completing the connection from Wvale to Werribee ?

Ballarat intermodal terminal also.

Southern NSW we could use some upgrades.

Budget should target new projects and upgrades: ARA
freightgate
Melbourne airport rail needs to be fast-tracked, with the Murray Basin Rail work completed under competent management. To late to re-start it for this summer's harvest season. maybe start up in late march. The Feds probably should insist ARTC, or some other competent authority gets the project management on it. The level Crossing Removal Authority seems to know what it's doing, and perhaps could be a local contender for such a task.

Portland line needs to be fixed, and maintained for 80kph @ 21t or more. Mt Gambier sounds Promising as well. Wouldn't be hard to make that happen quickly given it's an out of use line with a largely still complete formation (save what has happened in Mt Gambier it's self.). As with the main portland line, 80kph @ 21t.

Geelong Electrification via Wyndham vale should probably happen. It should be on 25kva infrastructure to be most efficient, however likely will be 1500v for compatibility, unless you went for duel voltage rolling stock. Avalon Airport Rail with provision in the design for intermodal should be done at the same time. The plans may even be ready to go for this. Could be a shovel ready project government likes when they want to spend money fast.

Ballarat and Bendigo intermodal terminals should get some funding as well. Both should be situated where they can access both SG and BG. I cant see the Bendigo line getting a gauge conversion done inside the next 20 years, if at all. Any intermodeal terminal in those areas should have both gauges for maximum flexibility.

Inglewood-Bendigo and Echuca-Toolamba also need re-opening to 80kph @ 21t. Both can probably happen in a fairly short amount of time.

As for Southern NSW, I'm not overly familiar with the needs there, except for the lines that come back to Victoria. Oaklands line probably needs work to maintain it. 60kph @ 21t should be the Minimum. Work towards 80kph. Deniliquin line probably needs work to maintain the same standard. At the very least, if one hasn't happened recent, feasibility study into the Moulamein line re-opening. Like the Dookie line however, i suspect the best chance this has of re-opening is when SG hits the line to Deniliquin.

If your looking for general easy spends in Victoria area, Feasibility study's and business cases could be done also for re-opening Ouyen-Tailem Bend and the much talked about greenfields Yelta(Mildura)- Broken Hill lines. Up north, connecting Mt Isa to the Darwin line, you could also do a feasibility study into, if one doesn't already exist.

Jewel in the crown, while unlikely, would be detailed planning, route reserving, and maybe even putting out to market a Request for Proposal (RFP) (build, operate, maintain) for a Very High Speed train up the east coast. Melbourne-Canberra-Sydney-Brisbane. Minimum 400kph. Going with an RFP would be the best option for Government, as they don't commit them to anything.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's no doubt going to be an interesting budget.  Although 80 km/h on Inglewood and Toolamba lines would need a full ground-up rebuild, not a patch up job to be perfectly honest.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
It's no doubt going to be an interesting budget.  Although 80 km/h on Inglewood and Toolamba lines would need a full ground-up rebuild, not a patch up job to be perfectly honest.
Carnot
Your probably right. Event if you got to 60kph @ 21t on both lines your better than what they both have at present, and  probably better than when they where last open.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

There's an article behind the Herald Sun paywall that says the Fed budget will fund:
- Shepparton upgrade Stage 3 (for V/locity trains)
- Warrnambool Stage 2 (as above?)
- Murray Basin Rail project.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Murray Basin rail upgrade but maybe under ARTC control ?
freightgate
I know ARTC was trying to get the gig to do the work in the first place.  Agreed with Galron, if I was the feds and putting more money into it id want it running under my control.  Plus it would have synergies with the Portland line that might see investment cases happen more cohesively.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW

As for Southern NSW, I'm not overly familiar with the needs there, ex
Galron

A properly scoped study at the Federal level investigating the reactivation of Narrandera-Tocumwal and linking to a standardised Shepparton-Mangalore corridor would be useful.  NSW has looked at it and trashed the project cos they dont want to build it, and the Vics dont want to put passenger service at risk to Shepparton, but it could have a daily containter train to the Port and a range of other freight services on it to other places...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
It's no doubt going to be an interesting budget.  Although 80 km/h on Inglewood and Toolamba lines would need a full ground-up rebuild, not a patch up job to be perfectly honest.
Carnot
On what evidence do you base this statement and where are your costings?

Over-engineering on one project is less money available for another.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Melbourne airport rail link should proceed with finalised funding and the Murray Basin rail upgrade but maybe under ARTC control ?

Portland line needs some work. Also the business case for mount Ganbier has many benefits.

Electrification for Geelong would also be good and completing the connection from Wvale to Werribee ?

Ballarat intermodal terminal also.

Southern NSW we could use some upgrades.

Budget should target new projects and upgrades: ARA
Melbourne airport rail needs to be fast-tracked, with the Murray Basin Rail work completed under competent management. To late to re-start it for this summer's harvest season. maybe start up in late march. The Feds probably should insist ARTC, or some other competent authority gets the project management on it. The level Crossing Removal Authority seems to know what it's doing, and perhaps could be a local contender for such a task.

Portland line needs to be fixed, and maintained for 80kph @ 21t or more. Mt Gambier sounds Promising as well. Wouldn't be hard to make that happen quickly given it's an out of use line with a largely still complete formation (save what has happened in Mt Gambier it's self.). As with the main portland line, 80kph @ 21t.

Geelong Electrification via Wyndham vale should probably happen. It should be on 25kva infrastructure to be most efficient, however likely will be 1500v for compatibility, unless you went for duel voltage rolling stock. Avalon Airport Rail with provision in the design for intermodal should be done at the same time. The plans may even be ready to go for this. Could be a shovel ready project government likes when they want to spend money fast.

Ballarat and Bendigo intermodal terminals should get some funding as well. Both should be situated where they can access both SG and BG. I cant see the Bendigo line getting a gauge conversion done inside the next 20 years, if at all. Any intermodeal terminal in those areas should have both gauges for maximum flexibility.

Inglewood-Bendigo and Echuca-Toolamba also need re-opening to 80kph @ 21t. Both can probably happen in a fairly short amount of time.

As for Southern NSW, I'm not overly familiar with the needs there, except for the lines that come back to Victoria. Oaklands line probably needs work to maintain it. 60kph @ 21t should be the Minimum. Work towards 80kph. Deniliquin line probably needs work to maintain the same standard. At the very least, if one hasn't happened recent, feasibility study into the Moulamein line re-opening. Like the Dookie line however, i suspect the best chance this has of re-opening is when SG hits the line to Deniliquin.

If your looking for general easy spends in Victoria area, Feasibility study's and business cases could be done also for re-opening Ouyen-Tailem Bend and the much talked about greenfields Yelta(Mildura)- Broken Hill lines. Up north, connecting Mt Isa to the Darwin line, you could also do a feasibility study into, if one doesn't already exist.

Jewel in the crown, while unlikely, would be detailed planning, route reserving, and maybe even putting out to market a Request for Proposal (RFP) (build, operate, maintain) for a Very High Speed train up the east coast. Melbourne-Canberra-Sydney-Brisbane. Minimum 400kph. Going with an RFP would be the best option for Government, as they don't commit them to anything.
Galron
My my thats sure is a Gunzels Idealistic Vision. Defiantly not full of holes. Mt Isa to Darwin, SG Bendigo and so on.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
My my thats sure is a Gunzels Idealistic Vision. Defiantly not full of holes. Mt Isa to Darwin, SG Bendigo and so on.
Dangersdan707
Glad i could assist you with that. The unannounced project's aside. i think most of is would take the Murray Basin gauge conversion done properly this time, if nothing else was on the table. The point being made was for likely beneficial projects that could be got going in a hurry, not wait 12-18 months. Where you dont have project that can go in 6 months, spend the money on proper feasibility studies at a couple of mil a peace
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Melbourne airport rail needs to be fast-tracked, with the
Not fast tracked, just start it but the Vic's need to come to the table with 75%. Realistically there is not alot of shovel work going to start between now and mid next year even if given the go ahead, but there will be hundreds of jobs in the design and other aspects in the CBD working.

Murray Basin Rail work completed under competent management. To late to re-start it for this summer's harvest season. maybe start up in late march. The Feds probably should insist ARTC, or some other competent authority gets the project management on it. The level Crossing Removal Authority seems to know what it's doing, and perhaps could be a local contender for such a task.

Change of Management and get back into it and finish it correctly

Portland line needs to be fixed, and maintained for 80kph @ 21t or more. Mt Gambier sounds Promising as well. Wouldn't be hard to make that happen quickly given it's an out of use line with a largely still complete formation (save what has happened in Mt Gambier it's self.). As with the main portland line, 80kph @ 21t.

Mt Gambia East reopening looks promising as another one of these inland container hubs or similar, Simple project to et going quickly, but the line will need 100% new sleepers, shouldn't cost alot to reopen to 60km/h standard.

Agree, the Portland line needs to be in reasonable standard. Potential future V/ockity service.

Geelong Electrification via Wyndham vale should probably happen. It should be on 25kva infrastructure to be most efficient, however likely will be 1500v for compatibility, unless you went for duel voltage rolling stock. Avalon Airport Rail with provision in the design for intermodal should be done at the same time. The plans may even be ready to go for this. Could be a shovel ready project government likes when they want to spend money fast.

1500V for Geelong, but there is no point doing this unless the govt is ordering new DMU stock to cope with growth over the whole DMU network. No point just sparking and having DMU's sitting around with nothing meaningful to do.

Ballarat and Bendigo intermodal terminals should get some funding as well. Both should be situated where they can access both SG and BG. I cant see the Bendigo line getting a gauge conversion done inside the next 20 years, if at all. Any intermodeal terminal in those areas should have both gauges for maximum flexibility.

Ballarat is likely to close to Melbourne to be feasible unless its part of a plan to reduce trucks in the suburban area.

Inglewood-Bendigo and Echuca-Toolamba also need re-opening to 80kph @ 21t. Both can probably happen in a fairly short amount of time.

As for Southern NSW, I'm not overly familiar with the needs there, except for the lines that come back to Victoria. Oaklands line probably needs work to maintain it. 60kph @ 21t should be the Minimum. Work towards 80kph. Deniliquin line probably needs work to maintain the same standard. At the very least, if one hasn't happened recent, feasibility study into the Moulamein line re-opening. Like the Dookie line however, i suspect the best chance this has of re-opening is when SG hits the line to Deniliquin.

If your looking for general easy spends in Victoria area, Feasibility study's and business cases could be done also for re-opening  Ouyen-Tailem Bend

Is there sufficient traffic for this?

and the much talked about greenfields Yelta(Mildura)- Broken Hill lines. Up north, connecting Mt Isa to the Darwin line, you could also do a feasibility study into, if one doesn't already exist.

There is likely bigger fish to fry with limited resources,


Jewel in the crown, while unlikely, would be detailed planning, route reserving, and maybe even putting out to market a Request for Proposal (RFP) (build, operate, maintain) for a Very High Speed train up the east coast. Melbourne-Canberra-Sydney-Brisbane. Minimum 400kph. Going with an RFP would be the best option for Government, as they don't commit them to anything.

Its no crown, rather a thorn in the side of common sense. MSR is sufficient for the task and would benefit all three users of the interstate network, not just target some of those who are flying. Now that we have prevented $100B of waste, we can look at the suburban rail projects that would add significantly greater value to the nation.  



  Carnot Minister for Railways
  Carnot Minister for Railways

No mention of MBRP, but my thinking is that the Dailymail journo or editor is clueless on rail freight in Australia...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
No mention of MBRP, but my thinking is that the Dailymail journo or editor is clueless on rail freight in Australia...
Carnot

Mentioned in an article which just turned up and approved investment in Vic will be

Western Rail Plan
Warrnambool Line
Shepparton Line

What is the western rail plan?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
If your looking for general easy spends in Victoria area, Feasibility study's and business cases could be done also for re-opening  Ouyen-Tailem Bend

Is there sufficient traffic for this?
RTT_Rules
Thats what the point of a feasibility study would be. Is there a market for such a link, and would it be at least self sustaining, and ideally have some ability to cost recover some of the works costs required to implement if there was
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently one of the items in the Vic Govt wish-list to the Feds was rejected.  I wonder if it's the MBRP?:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/feds-reopen-east-west-link-debate-as-nsw-set-to-get-double-victoria-s-infrastructure-funding-20201005-p5622s.html
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Apparently one of the items in the Vic Govt wish-list to the Feds was rejected.  I wonder if it's the MBRP?:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/feds-reopen-east-west-link-debate-as-nsw-set-to-get-double-victoria-s-infrastructure-funding-20201005-p5622s.html
Carnot

Would you trust the victorian government to deliver a project?

As it stands there is $528m for Warrnambool and Shepparton Lines which seems a lot of money really.  Why so much?  

There is also no freight related projects on the funding list.  No cranbourne south.

Projects in Victoria are so overpriced.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently one of the items in the Vic Govt wish-list to the Feds was rejected.  I wonder if it's the MBRP?:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/feds-reopen-east-west-link-debate-as-nsw-set-to-get-double-victoria-s-infrastructure-funding-20201005-p5622s.html

Would you trust the victorian government to deliver a project?

As it stands there is $528m for Warrnambool and Shepparton Lines which seems a lot of money really.  Why so much?  

There is also no freight related projects on the funding list.  No cranbourne south.

Projects in Victoria are so overpriced.
bevans

Shepp and Warrnambool work is basically getting those lines to Class 2M or higher so V/locities can run on them at 130 km/h+.  Existing status as Class 2 or 3 isn't up to scratch.  Shepp line upgrade would also include Craigieburn to Seymour work too.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Shepp and Warrnambool work is basically getting those lines to Class 2M or higher so V/locities can run on them at 130 km/h+.  Existing status as Class 2 or 3 isn't up to scratch.  Shepp line upgrade would also include Craigieburn to Seymour work too.
Carnot

What work is required there?

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