'We will not be lectured': Andrews hits back at Frydenberg over infrastructure spending

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 04 Oct 2020 10:02
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There are $7b in projects there the Victorian Government has been significantly stalling.  Josh is right in that the airport rail link has not really gone anywhere and not real work has started and the Geelong Fast rail ($2b of funding) has been placed on the go slow by Andrews.

But the NEL has had everything and the kitchen sink thrown at it.  My theory over this NEL given the contractor priming is the deal was done over belt and road and a chinese backed /associated company we now know was at the forefront.

'We will not be lectured': Andrews hits back at Frydenberg over infrastructure spending

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  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

There are $7b in projects there the Victorian Government has been significantly stalling.  Josh is right in that the airport rail link has not really gone anywhere and not real work has started and the Geelong Fast rail ($2b of funding) has been placed on the go slow by Andrews.

But the NEL has had everything and the kitchen sink thrown at it.  My theory over this NEL given the contractor priming is the deal was done over belt and road and a chinese backed /associated company we now know was at the forefront.

'We will not be lectured': Andrews hits back at Frydenberg over infrastructure spending
bevans
Good. Airport Rail is not needed at the moment and Geelong Fast Rail should be so far down the list its not funny. There are far more important projects to deal with.


Michael
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Metro tunnel
West Gate tunnel
North East Link
Western Roads Upgrades
Level Crossing Removal Program
Various Regional Railway line upgrades

That is just off the top of my head some of the major projects being rolled out in Victoria at the moment.

Can we really expect the sector to sustain more major projects all being undertaken at the same time? Surely there is a limit to the amount of major infrastructure works that can be done at the same time.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Metro tunnel
West Gate tunnel
North East Link
Western Roads Upgrades
Level Crossing Removal Program
Various Regional Railway line upgrades

That is just off the top of my head some of the major projects being rolled out in Victoria at the moment.

Can we really expect the sector to sustain more major projects all being undertaken at the same time? Surely there is a limit to the amount of major infrastructure works that can be done at the same time.
Gman_86
You probably have a point there gman. Although i suspect the feds might be more worried about the state government's project management capability. About the only project your listing there thats not a complete cluster f- is the Level Crossing removal works.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
And many of those projects are not using federal money IIRC
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

There are $7b in projects there the Victorian Government has been significantly stalling.  Josh is right in that the airport rail link has not really gone anywhere and not real work has started and the Geelong Fast rail ($2b of funding) has been placed on the go slow by Andrews.

But the NEL has had everything and the kitchen sink thrown at it.  My theory over this NEL given the contractor priming is the deal was done over belt and road and a chinese backed /associated company we now know was at the forefront.

'We will not be lectured': Andrews hits back at Frydenberg over infrastructure spending
You're kidding right?

Let's have an intelligent look at it.

Roads

East West Link - Cancelled, like it or not. It's getting a bit ridiculous, every year for the last six years there is always $4 Billion 'waiting too go' for a project likely to cost three times that. The libs must have a screw loose, Andrews will sooner die than build the East West Link. Every time it gets offered Andrews comes out and says there are other projects ready to go, the libs could have spent it elsewhere.

North East Link - Preliminary works underway on an $16 Billion project, with major construction underway in 2021. Federal Contribution $1.6B.

West Gate Tunnel - $6.7B Its turned into a basket case, will be completed eventually. Don't do deals with the devil (Transurban)

Suburban Roads Upgrade $2.2B project upgrading 12 suburban links - Construction to start in December

Western Roads Upgrade $1.8B project upgrading 8 roads in the booming western suburbs - Project due to be completed in 2021.

Multiple Highway upgrades throughout regional Victoria, $1.1B - Projects underway

Monash Freeway Upgrade $1.1B - $500 Million from the feds - Project Underway

Western Ring Road Upgrade - $518M - Project Underway

Currently $30B worth of road projects under construction. Federal Government contribution $2.1B

Rail

Hurstbridge Line Upgrade Stages 1 & 2 $530M - Stage 2 early works announced yesterday

Sunbury Line Upgrade $2.1B - Project Underway

Cranbourne Line Upgrade $1B - Project Underway

Melbourne Metro Rail Tunnel $12B - Project Underway

Regional Rail Revival $2.2B - Federal Funding $1.7B - Projects Underway/Completed

HCMTS 65 Units $2.2B - Project Underway

Velocity Trains Sets $358M - Project Underway.

Level Crossing Removal Projects $10B - Projects underway. 36/7 completed so far, 12 new station built.

Currently $28.2B worth of Rail projects under construction. Federal Government contribution $1.7B

Commitments

Airport Rail $10B - Federal funding $5. Project stalled due to Federal Government. Feds want Sunshine - CBD link to boost votes in the regions. Andrews Just wants to build MARL. If the Feds want a tunnel they are going to have to stump up more cash and stop holding the state ransom. Sunshine CBD estimated to cost $15+

Geelong 'Fast Rail' Federally funded business case to once again to boost votes in the regions. Andrews said there were more pressing needs than getting a fast train to Geelong; i.e Melton & WV. I agree. Feds have committed $2B, one would assume they want Andrews to match. Depending on the definition of 'fast' could cost close to $10B

Western Rail Plan $100M business case. No commitments to funding yet. Depending on how Geelong Fast Rail & MARL turn out could be a $10B project as serval stations need to be rebuilt and 30km of new track & electrical infrastructure laid to Melton & WV.

Suburban Rail Loop $50B, $300M business case. No commitment from the federal government to help fund stage 1.

The only projects that are 'stalled' are the ones the federal government has picked or are have interfered in. Sounds to me like a lot of hot air from the federal government trying to push the state into getting on with its projects, to boost its votes in the lead up to 2022. Andrews doesn't give a toss, he is here until November 2023. Unless there is something in it for him, don't expect Andrews to throw the Libs a bone. They certainly haven't earned it by using Victoria as the scapegoat to deflect from its own poor performance.

Oh, NSW Federal infrastructure Funding 2019/20 FY $22.3B, 2020/21 FY $17.5B, 2021/22 FY $17.2B. $57B
Here in poor old Victoria 2019/20 FY $14.1, 2020/21 FY $14.6B, 2021/22 FY $12.2B. $40.9B

Lockie
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

I pricked up my ears today when Dan rattled off a number of projects to be funded in the budget, which he indicated included the completion of the Murray Basin Rail Project! Now this might mean as it was initially intended or the revised plan/scheme of tidying up whats already there!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It'll be very interesting to hear of what strings the Feds are attaching to the MBRP funding given the stuff ups in 2017-18...

I for one will be tuning in on Tuesday.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
There are $7b in projects there the Victorian Government has been significantly stalling.  Josh is right in that the airport rail link has not really gone anywhere and not real work has started and the Geelong Fast rail ($2b of funding) has been placed on the go slow by Andrews.

But the NEL has had everything and the kitchen sink thrown at it.  My theory over this NEL given the contractor priming is the deal was done over belt and road and a chinese backed /associated company we now know was at the forefront.

'We will not be lectured': Andrews hits back at Frydenberg over infrastructure spending
Good. Airport Rail is not needed at the moment and Geelong Fast Rail should be so far down the list its not funny. There are far more important projects to deal with.


Michael
mejhammers1
Bearing in mind the number of engineers and other qualified people who construct infrastructure projects is limited and the number of projects that are planned to be undertaken is definitely limited by the number of qualified people. That said, the airport rail link will, in time be a very worthwhile project, in part due to the connectivity with all the western rail lines.

True, it's 'not needed at the moment', however infrastructure projects take a long time to completion and a moment passes very quickly.

Mike.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

There are $7b in projects there the Victorian Government has been significantly stalling.  Josh is right in that the airport rail link has not really gone anywhere and not real work has started and the Geelong Fast rail ($2b of funding) has been placed on the go slow by Andrews.

But the NEL has had everything and the kitchen sink thrown at it.  My theory over this NEL given the contractor priming is the deal was done over belt and road and a chinese backed /associated company we now know was at the forefront.

'We will not be lectured': Andrews hits back at Frydenberg over infrastructure spending
Good. Airport Rail is not needed at the moment and Geelong Fast Rail should be so far down the list its not funny. There are far more important projects to deal with.


Michael
Bearing in mind the number of engineers and other qualified people who construct infrastructure projects is limited and the number of projects that are planned to be undertaken is definitely limited by the number of qualified people. That said, the airport rail link will, in time be a very worthwhile project, in part due to the connectivity with all the western rail lines.

True, it's 'not needed at the moment', however infrastructure projects take a long time to completion and a moment passes very quickly.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Very True. As regards to the Geelong Fast rail, I personally do not think that is important. Even so what they the Feds are offering is little more than an insult. $2 Billion is chicken feed as regards to HSR. If like some, they think that an 80km long high speed corridor can be built for $4 Billion, well I want they are smoking.

Michael

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