2020 Queensland State Election

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
New Lander trains to be built at Maryborough...great news.

More to come.

Mike.

No link with specific as yet...however this quote:

"Ms Palaszczuk visited Maryborough, where she announced a $1 billion "pipeline of train building work" in the city, 220kms north of Brisbane, if Labor won the election.
It includes $600 million in new funds to build 20 new trains there, as well as a $1 million business case to build replacement carriages for some long-distance services."

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  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
LNP Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington campaign in crisis after being referred by own party to election watchdog

Whoops
  Expost Deputy Commissioner

LNP Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington campaign in crisis after being referred by own party to election watchdog

Whoops
speedemon08
I would take anything that is stated by the ABC with a grain of salt.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
LNP Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington campaign in crisis after being referred by own party to election watchdog

Whoops
I would take anything that is stated by the ABC with a grain of salt.
Expost

I wouldn't....and her campaign is currently in tatters.

Even the Murdoch Australian isn't very optimistic....paywall.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fnation%2Fpolitics%2Flnp-leader-deb-frecklingtons-secret-meetings-with-property-developers%2Fnews-story%2Ff6a0d744f0bc32816b90a365fa697c6b&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

Mike.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
New Lander trains to be built at Maryborough...great news.

More to come.

Mike.

No link with specific as yet...however this quote:

"Ms Palaszczuk visited Maryborough, where she announced a $1 billion "pipeline of train building work" in the city, 220kms north of Brisbane, if Labor won the election.
It includes $600 million in new funds to build 20 new trains there, as well as a $1 million business case to build replacement carriages for some long-distance services."
The Vinelander
Let's see, long distance services in Queensland are:
  • Spirit of Queensland - I can't see them replacing the current DTT sets at this stage, perhaps build an additional set?
  • Spirit of the Outback - current carriages are decades old, perhaps a new set (or two)?
  • Westlander and Inlander - We all know that they plan to can these at some stage, can't see any money being spent here.
  • Savannahlander and Gulflander - Their charm is in the old railmotors, building new trains might kill them off!
So what are these 20 new trains for?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Let's see, long distance services in Queensland are:
  • Spirit of Queensland - I can't see them replacing the current DTT sets at this stage, perhaps build an additional set?
  • Spirit of the Outback - current carriages are decades old, perhaps a new set (or two)?
  • Westlander and Inlander - We all know that they plan to can these at some stage, can't see any money being spent here.
  • Savannahlander and Gulflander - Their charm is in the old railmotors, building new trains might kill them off!
So what are these 20 new trains for?
Graham4405

I came in late to the Premiers announcement after she'd been speaking for a few mins and no doubt there will be more said, however she specifically mentioned the Westlander, Inlander and Spirit of the Outback in that order.

Mike.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

ALP Downer Maryborough announcement -

$600-million for twenty new trains for QR, generating 690 additional jobs at Downer Maryborough (the plant currently employs 283 staff, down from over 800 a decade ago).

$1-million business case to replace carriages on the Westlander, Inlander and Spirit of the Outback.

$300-million for the ongoing 10-year rollingstock maintenance contract with QR (this may also include the ongoing $80-million project at Downer to overhaul 10 IMU 100-series (intercity sets) and 12 SMU 200-series (suburban) sets).

$85-million to continue the NGR refit program (Downer already has a $335-million contract to refit the 75 NGR sets to meet disability standards with work underway since 2019 through to 2024 - so it's not clear if this additional funding for that contract or something new).
  Expost Deputy Commissioner

Now Labor is saying they want to repurchase Rocky shops back off Aurizon.

https://www.facebook.com/WINNewsCentralQueensland/posts/4822740871069258
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
New Lander trains to be built at Maryborough...great news.

More to come.

Mike.

No link with specific as yet...however this quote:

"Ms Palaszczuk visited Maryborough, where she announced a $1 billion "pipeline of train building work" in the city, 220kms north of Brisbane, if Labor won the election.
It includes $600 million in new funds to build 20 new trains there, as well as a $1 million business case to build replacement carriages for some long-distance services."
The Vinelander
Should be

Inlander 3 x week DMU connecting with CTT at Townsville

SOTO 3 x a week DMU and connect with CTT at Rocky with cross platform change.  Discontinue starting from BRisbane.

Westlander 3 x a week DMU, daylight/evening service only

All trains similar fit out as the CTT.

Extra CTT set to enable 7 days a week service.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
New Lander trains to be built at Maryborough...great news.

More to come.

Mike.

No link with specific as yet...however this quote:

"Ms Palaszczuk visited Maryborough, where she announced a $1 billion "pipeline of train building work" in the city, 220kms north of Brisbane, if Labor won the election.
It includes $600 million in new funds to build 20 new trains there, as well as a $1 million business case to build replacement carriages for some long-distance services."
Let's see, long distance services in Queensland are:
  • Spirit of Queensland - I can't see them replacing the current DTT sets at this stage, perhaps build an additional set?
  • Spirit of the Outback - current carriages are decades old, perhaps a new set (or two)?
  • Westlander and Inlander - We all know that they plan to can these at some stage, can't see any money being spent here.
  • Savannahlander and Gulflander - Their charm is in the old railmotors, building new trains might kill them off!
So what are these 20 new trains for?
Graham4405
Are the 20 new trains going to be Interurban trains, for like services to Nambour ?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

The most recent story on the 20 extra six-car sets says they will be for the additional Cross River Rail capacity needed in 2025. They're likely to be the same or similar to the 75 NGRs, which do have toilets and run both suburban and interurban services.

The $1-million development plan for the long distance fleet (the Westlander, Inlander and Spirit of the Outback), is working on a $150-million budget for the project, which may suggest perhaps 40 to 50 conventional carriages. The current L series fleet is 35 carriages I think. .

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/queensland-labor-promises-1bn-pipeline-of-local-train-manufacturing
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

More on today's announcement by the ALP to purchase the now closed Rockhampton Workshops from Aurizon. The plan is the workshops will facilitate rollingstock construction and be part of the supply chain for Downer Maryborough.

This is on the back of Bombardier recently advertising for a range of senior staff positions in a new Rockhampton operation. Bombardier closed its Maryborough plant that supplied the neighbouring Downer Maryborough plant in 2015 as local rollingstock contracts dried up.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-15/qld-election-2020-job-creation-rainy-doyle-fundraising/12759048
  qldchook Locomotive Driver

This is great news all round. At least this current premier believes in the ability of local manufacturers to build trains and doesn't dismiss or criticize  them like a certain other premier did recently.....
  phil_48 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Wynnum North
Those extra 20 trains will most likely be new NGR replacements for the 14 remaining EMU 6 car sets ( numbered 30 to 50, except for 31 ) which are held together with spare parts from the scrapped sets,  and probably the 6 early 200 series sets ( numbered 201-212 ).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
This is great news all round. At least this current premier believes in the ability of local manufacturers to build trains and doesn't dismiss or criticize  them like a certain other premier did recently.....
qldchook

Possibly a case of once bitten twice shy.

No point in 'saving' money on cheap imported rolling stock when $$ has to be spent making them fit for purpose as Gladys may well discover in NSW with her new regional train order.

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Annastascia has won in a convincing Labor victory.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/queensland/labor-claims-victory-to-win-third-term-in-queensland-20201031-p56aek.html

Mike.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
This is great news all round. At least this current premier believes in the ability of local manufacturers to build trains and doesn't dismiss or criticize  them like a certain other premier did recently.....

Possibly a case of once bitten twice shy.

No point in 'saving' money on cheap imported rolling stock when $$ has to be spent making them fit for purpose as Gladys may well discover in NSW with her new regional train order.

Mike.
The Vinelander
This is why most of the contracts are a build and maintain and are required to provide an availability factor, not the govt simply stating I wan 20 trains, rather I want 20 trains in service, you work out how many you need to ensure that level of availability. Of course for the media release Mr and Mrs public just get the total number. Note this style of contract has been used for I think the local made NSW 90 class fleet so its pretty standard regardless of where they are made. I'd bet the WA C set contracts are the same. I think you will find most of the cost of fixing the NGR sets are at the suppliers feet, but of course I could be wrong.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
What rail projects can we now expect to happen on the gold coast and south of Brisbane generally?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Annastascia has won in a convincing Labor victory.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/queensland/labor-claims-victory-to-win-third-term-in-queensland-20201031-p56aek.html

Mike.
The Vinelander
The accidental Premier continues and well deserved in one of the more boring election nights. LNP Qld continue to be dysfunctional and will spend the next 4 years wondering what they have to do to win.

Anna P enjoyed a strong support for her stance on the CV protecting Qlder's and preventing the need for Qld to have to wear masks and other CV restrictions but only of in Qld, to hell with her Qlders stuck OS.

She continues to rule over a fragile Qld economy hooked coal in both export and power generation and export of same into NSW and Vic, while claiming RE is the future.

She returns to work today with over $100B of debt (June 21 forecast) for just 5m people ($20k/person) and unfortunately has made almost no effort to reduce the state debt since taking power and will no doubt eventually leave office with the same or more.
  Sunbird Station Master

This is great news all round. At least this current premier believes in the ability of local manufacturers to build trains and doesn't dismiss or criticize  them like a certain other premier did recently.....

Possibly a case of once bitten twice shy.

No point in 'saving' money on cheap imported rolling stock when $$ has to be spent making them fit for purpose as Gladys may well discover in NSW with her new regional train order.

Mike.
This is why most of the contracts are a build and maintain and are required to provide an availability factor, not the govt simply stating I wan 20 trains, rather I want 20 trains in service, you work out how many you need to ensure that level of availability. Of course for the media release Mr and Mrs public just get the total number. Note this style of contract has been used for I think the local made NSW 90 class fleet so its pretty standard regardless of where they are made. I'd bet the WA C set contracts are the same. I think you will find most of the cost of fixing the NGR sets are at the suppliers feet, but of course I could be wrong.
RTT_Rules
My understanding of the problems around the NGR sets relate not only to defects but also the need to modify them to operate with a guard as well as a driver.
The sets were ordered by the LNP government as driver only and then the Labor government decided later to reinstate the guards job after the contract had been signed and construction started in India.
Rather than cause a delivery delay while the redesign was approved and the price renegotiated it was decided to just accept them as ordered and modify them in Queensland (look local jobs).
The guards have saved there jobs by the need for disabled access assistance and most of the work is justified by this excuse.
Regardless these changes would most certainly be payed for by the Queensland government and not the contractor.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
This is great news all round. At least this current premier believes in the ability of local manufacturers to build trains and doesn't dismiss or criticize  them like a certain other premier did recently.....

Possibly a case of once bitten twice shy.

No point in 'saving' money on cheap imported rolling stock when $$ has to be spent making them fit for purpose as Gladys may well discover in NSW with her new regional train order.

Mike.
This is why most of the contracts are a build and maintain and are required to provide an availability factor, not the govt simply stating I wan 20 trains, rather I want 20 trains in service, you work out how many you need to ensure that level of availability. Of course for the media release Mr and Mrs public just get the total number. Note this style of contract has been used for I think the local made NSW 90 class fleet so its pretty standard regardless of where they are made. I'd bet the WA C set contracts are the same. I think you will find most of the cost of fixing the NGR sets are at the suppliers feet, but of course I could be wrong.
My understanding of the problems around the NGR sets relate not only to defects but also the need to modify them to operate with a guard as well as a driver.
The sets were ordered by the LNP government as driver only and then the Labor government decided later to reinstate the guards job after the contract had been signed and construction started in India.
Rather than cause a delivery delay while the redesign was approved and the price renegotiated it was decided to just accept them as ordered and modify them in Queensland (look local jobs).
The guards have saved there jobs by the need for disabled access assistance and most of the work is justified by this excuse.
Regardless these changes would most certainly be payed for by the Queensland government and not the contractor.
Sunbird
This is a bit different to Mike's concern as its a change by govt policy after the order, but otherwise agree with what you are saying.

Wasn't the issue with the guards compartment was that historically QR have only operated 3 or 3+3 car sets so that the guard was always central on the platform so easy to support people with special needs, the fixed 6 car NGR sets had the guard at the end of the train, making it difficult to assist people needing support without taking lead from Mel and saying if you want help be at Car 1, Door 1. Which is confusing if one line does one thing and the rest of the network is different again.

Qld need to look towards DOO, however on the Gold Coast to Airport line is close to being suited to DOO, however if I recall there are still some low height platforms and until these are resolved moving to DOO will be difficult and Newman was just trying to prove a point at the time. However lets not throw too much cr-ap at him as if I recall correctly when the govt asked for staff cuts at QR, he did say or at least the Transport Minister said that DOO was not an option to be investigated.

Long-term I'd like the guards roles be changed to CSO's, the days of the guard needing to clear the train for departure are in their twilight years. Camera's and door sensors enables the drivers to do it elsewhere successfully, why not Qld. The guards should be roving the passenger cabin, not hiding in their cabins, helping passengers with needs, random ticket checking and managing disorderly conduct.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Annastascia has won in a convincing Labor victory.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/queensland/labor-claims-victory-to-win-third-term-in-queensland-20201031-p56aek.html

Mike.
The accidental Premier continues and well deserved in one of the more boring election nights. LNP Qld continue to be dysfunctional and will spend the next 4 years wondering what they have to do to win.

Anna P enjoyed a strong support for her stance on the CV protecting Qlder's and preventing the need for Qld to have to wear masks and other CV restrictions but only of in Qld, to hell with her Qlders stuck OS.

She continues to rule over a fragile Qld economy hooked coal in both export and power generation and export of same into NSW and Vic, while claiming RE is the future.

She returns to work today with over $100B of debt (June 21 forecast) for just 5m people ($20k/person) and unfortunately has made almost no effort to reduce the state debt since taking power and will no doubt eventually leave office with the same or more.
RTT_Rules
Northern Queensland tourist operators are despite to get their 2 biggest markets back (Greater Sydney and Melbourne)  

They say Anna's not that keen to open the gates to people from Sydney and Melbourne.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I am wanting to book a holiday in the north and not sure what to do as the borders are not open and some of the accommodation options are no refund.

The Australian today front page clearly has not accepted the defeat of the LNP.

Will we see the light rail extension at the Gold Coast going ahead now?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The Australian today front page clearly has not accepted the defeat of the LNP.
"bevans"
They obviously can't see clearly through their tears.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW

The accidental Premier continues and well deserved in one of the more boring election nights. LNP Qld continue to be dysfunctional and will spend the next 4 years wondering what they have to do to win.

Anna P enjoyed a strong support for her stance on the CV protecting Qlder's and preventing the need for Qld to have to wear masks and other CV restrictions but only of in Qld, to hell with her Qlders stuck OS.

She continues to rule over a fragile Qld economy hooked coal in both export and power generation and export of same into NSW and Vic, while claiming RE is the future.

She returns to work today with over $100B of debt (June 21 forecast) for just 5m people ($20k/person) and unfortunately has made almost no effort to reduce the state debt since taking power and will no doubt eventually leave office with the same or more.
RTT_Rules
It was really quite a relief to see the election called by Antony Green after only a few hours.  

Talk of LNP demerger in the Guardian this morning.  Might not be a bad thing, though id think that Nats/Libs differences would be hard to bridge in Qld, but that is probably what is making the current format hard to manage anyway.

The debt is a big one for Qld tho, its going to come and bite later on.  Tho what colour govt will have to be the one to be the bad guy?

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