https://theconversation.com/where-did-victoria-go-so-wrong-with-contact-tracing-and-have-they-fixed-it-147993

Talking of contact tracing - they'll have their work cut out for them with the emerging Shepparton outbreak ( linked to Chadstone superspreader).  That has the potential to get rather bad.

Meanwhile, in Adelaide with no serious chance of encountering Covid I have just made the decision to buy another bottle of sanitiser. I really don’t think it’s needed, but since I cannot drink at work, I feel absorbing booze through my hands is all that keeps me interested some days.

Meanwhile, in Adelaide with no serious chance of encountering Covid I have just made the decision to buy another bottle of sanitiser. I really don’t think it’s needed, but since I cannot drink at work, I feel absorbing booze through my hands is all that keeps me interested some days.

Ever considered a travel mug with a lid?
Been done before.

This post was originally intended for the Questions One is too Embarrassed to Ask but RP put it somewhere else and I couldn't delete it so edited into zero there.

The Questions ..... thread is currently 'overloaded' so I will post here which, on reflection, is probably where I should have started anyway.

Metro, especially, makes a big deal about cleaning handrails etc on suburban trains. For many years the airconditioning on Comeng trains in particular has been ineffective/inefficient. This is well known.

My questions relate specifically to the known deficiencies in Comeng airconditioning but they also apply to other airconditioned rolling stock owned by the two rail operators in Victoria:

• What percentage of air is recirculated alternatively what percentage of air is 'fresh' in a Comeng?
• Has there been any action to improve the cleaning/replacement/maintenance of airconditioning filters as a result of the present Covid19 epidemic?
• Has anyone undertaken independent tests of the air quality in rail vehicles?

Meanwhile, in Adelaide with no serious chance of encountering Covid I have just made the decision to buy another bottle of sanitiser. I really don’t think it’s needed, but since I cannot drink at work, I feel absorbing booze through my hands is all that keeps me interested some days.

Ever considered a travel mug with a lid?
Been done before.

Lid helps prevent the "special coffee" from spilling out.

Meanwhile, in Adelaide with no serious chance of encountering Covid I have just made the decision to buy another bottle of sanitiser. I really don’t think it’s needed, but since I cannot drink at work, I feel absorbing booze through my hands is all that keeps me interested some days.

Ever considered a travel mug with a lid?
Been done before.

Lid helps prevent the "special coffee" from spilling out.

And concealed.

Talking of contact tracing - they'll have their work cut out for them with the emerging Shepparton outbreak ( linked to Chadstone superspreader).  That has the potential to get rather bad.

Looks like it might be under control. I think there may actually be some reason to finally be optimistic. I am still not expecting much on the 19th, but with the Premier now suggesting that 10 is the new 5, Stage 4 ending on the 26th is starting to look a little more likely.

Talking of contact tracing - they'll have their work cut out for them with the emerging Shepparton outbreak ( linked to Chadstone superspreader).  That has the potential to get rather bad.

Looks like it might be under control. I think there may actually be some reason to finally be optimistic. I am still not expecting much on the 19th, but with the Premier now suggesting that 10 is the new 5, Stage 4 ending on the 26th is starting to look a little more likely.

I wonder if this was a little dependant on whether the DHHS actually finally got its smeg together with contact tracing.

Regarding Government Decisions on lockdowns:

A while ago i read an interesting news article from SA Police Commissioner Grant Stevents that he experienced sleepless nights over the decisions to shut down non essential businesses and ban most social gatherings during the early period of the pandemic. This is because he had some middle aged friends tell him, that they may not be able to pay their mortgages off if their work places are shut down, and other old aged friends tell him that they may not be able to cope with their lonliness if their community centres are shut down. Not all public servants are heartless and out of touch with the people.

Not all public servants are heartless and out of touch with the people.

Well they're sure a completely different bread In the Victorian Government !

Hospitals are run off their feet coping with Ill / Inured people, that have been harmed by the collateral damage fallout of the severe Stage 4 lockdown.

Hospitals are run off their feet coping with Ill / Inured people, that have been harmed by the collateral damage fallout of the severe Stage 4 lockdown.

And your source for this statement is . . . ?   Please don't tell me it's "Everybody Knows".

Decently low new cases overnight.  Mystery cases up though?

This post was originally intended for the Questions One is too Embarrassed to Ask but RP put it somewhere else and I couldn't delete it so edited into zero there.

The Questions ..... thread is currently 'overloaded' so I will post here which, on reflection, is probably where I should have started anyway.

Metro, especially, makes a big deal about cleaning handrails etc on suburban trains. For many years the airconditioning on Comeng trains in particular has been ineffective/inefficient. This is well known.

My questions relate specifically to the known deficiencies in Comeng airconditioning but they also apply to other airconditioned rolling stock owned by the two rail operators in Victoria:

• What percentage of air is recirculated alternatively what percentage of air is 'fresh' in a Comeng?
• Has there been any action to improve the cleaning/replacement/maintenance of airconditioning filters as a result of the present Covid19 epidemic?
• Has anyone undertaken independent tests of the air quality in rail vehicles?

The RTBU had some questions to Metro about that, and how much air from the saloon was being pumped into the driver's cabin and if it was even filtered. This was some months ago now and it's all gone strangely quiet.

This post was originally intended for the Questions One is too Embarrassed to Ask but RP put it somewhere else and I couldn't delete it so edited into zero there.

The Questions ..... thread is currently 'overloaded' so I will post here which, on reflection, is probably where I should have started anyway.

Metro, especially, makes a big deal about cleaning handrails etc on suburban trains. For many years the airconditioning on Comeng trains in particular has been ineffective/inefficient. This is well known.

My questions relate specifically to the known deficiencies in Comeng airconditioning but they also apply to other airconditioned rolling stock owned by the two rail operators in Victoria:

• What percentage of air is recirculated alternatively what percentage of air is 'fresh' in a Comeng?
• Has there been any action to improve the cleaning/replacement/maintenance of airconditioning filters as a result of the present Covid19 epidemic?
• Has anyone undertaken independent tests of the air quality in rail vehicles?

The RTBU had some questions to Metro about that, and how much air from the saloon was being pumped into the driver's cabin and if it was even filtered. This was some months ago now and it's all gone strangely quiet.

Now that you mention it I do recall the RTBU's worry at the time. Probably in the too hard basket plus, perhaps, a public admission of yet another government made problem. I would certainly be running with the cab window open wherever possible.
I have long felt that the Comengs in particular are incubators of airborne 'dog germs'. Sorry dog.

I just happened to have a long conversation today with a ‘quite famous’ or wellknown person* who I am a friend. They live in a very prestigious location on the waterfront at Port Phillip Bay.

They’re young(ish) and would probably be considered to be the kind of person who might not be seen to wear a face mask.

Quite the opposite though, they were talking about their efforts to comply with all the regulations relating to leaving home, mask wearing etc and complaining about many of those who live nearby not doing the same.

I’ll be honest, I know this person well, and in all honesty, they are the kind of person I would have presumed to appear in the news by now photographed out, ‘doing the wrong thing’ and/or not wearing a mask. I was quite surprised to hear them speak about important they viewed the arrangements in Victoria and the necessity of compliance.

They said they actually enjoyed leaving home for their compliant walks etc and wearing a mask because now a ‘quick walk’ means a ‘quick walk’ because so many people don’t recognise them and stop them for a chat/autograph/photo.

I am almost still in shock, but very pleased to hear.


*They’re sufficiently famous (and not in terms of instagram etc) that I feel most Australians would know who they were, or would at least have heard of them or their family. They’re probably decently known overseas too.

Good on them.  All the preventative measures are important.  It's not a good time to be outlandish.

Hospitals are run off their feet coping with Ill / Inured people, that have been harmed by the collateral damage fallout of the severe Stage 4 lockdown.

And your source for this statement is . . . ?   Please don't tell me it's "Everybody Knows".

Word of mouth !

The Victorian Government claims (spins) suicided rates are down (on year to date) but GP's are telling a very different story.

So, uhh, yeah....The NRL Ticketek debacle

If you want Social Distancing done right, just ask Anna-Stayaway how it works. Because so long as the $$$ keep rolling in, what's 20,000 people crammed together at the gates mean anyway....Afterall, she has all those Queensland hospitals that are for Queenslander's, right?

Word of mouth !

The Victorian Government claims (spins) suicided rates are down (on year to date) but GP's are telling a very different story.

Wrong again. It was the Coroner who advised that suicide rates had decreased slightly, but don't worry about the facts in your haste to make political attacks. Are you training to be the next Trump?

New Zealanders arrived in Sydney yesterday, 14 continued on domestic flight to Melbourne but were detained by border farce in Melbourne

How was this allowed to happen ?
is this a federal government stuff up?
did the 14 NZers know they could only go to NSW or the NT?


for heavens sake what else could go wrong???

Word of mouth !

The Victorian Government claims (spins) suicided rates are down (on year to date) but GP's are telling a very different story.

Wrong again. It was the Coroner who advised that suicide rates had decreased slightly, but don't worry about the facts in your haste to make political attacks. Are you training to be the next Trump?

I have zero confidence In the Victorian DHHS

They continue to mislead and deceive the General Public.

It has been announced that the Hotel Quarantine enquiry Is to have an extraordinary sitting next Tuesday (too much evidence tended just doesn't add up)

I have zero confidence In the Victorian DHHS

So do I. However, since you attached your comment to my previous one, I will say that I have complete confidence in the Coroner.

It has been announced that the Hotel Quarantine enquiry Is to have an extraordinary sitting next Tuesday (too much evidence tended just doesn't add up)

Excellent. I don't care how many extra days the enquiry needs to sit; we need all the facts and the enquiry can sit as long as it likes and question anyone it wants to as far as I'm concerned. I want to know exactly what happened and who did what, with which, and to whom.

Excellent. I don't care how many extra days the enquiry needs to sit; we need all the facts and the enquiry can sit as long as it likes and question anyone it wants to as far as I'm concerned. I want to know exactly what happened and who did what, with which, and to whom.

Me too

I want some top knobs In the Government (regardless what colour, side, rank, etc) to fall on their swords, with their newly  Introduced law.

I don't know If this may be related to the situation
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=tear+down+this+wall+speech&docid=608052517639489452&mid=D758C3CF1F1895CA93AFD758C3CF1F1895CA93AF&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Not trying to downplay the choice to use private security at all but can someone confirm if WA chose to only use private security as well?