https://wongm.com/2019/10/hastings-bluescope-steel-train-frankston-line/
One (from earlier this year) of the numerous RP threads on the topic:
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11401090-0-asc-s0.htm
That would be my guess. I think there is an answer in another reply.1 Long Island steel train per day each way afaikHow many freight trains use the Franskton line? I am guessing one each way a day, but of course am open to correction.Matthew Guy has yesterday announced he will match the Andrews Government plan to push electrification to Baxter. This is a me too statement so no real news there. Pity he did not take it further and complete the job to Stoney Point.And a line from Dandenong to Frankston, plus quadding Dandenong to Caulfield with Freight taken off of the Frankston line, but one step at a time.
Two times a day and, possibly on occasions, three times. From M Wong’s Waking Up in Geelong website:Thanks.
https://wongm.com/2019/10/hastings-bluescope-steel-train-frankston-line/
One (from earlier this year) of the numerous RP threads on the topic:
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11401090-0-asc-s0.htm
Does seem the budget from the feds does still include some cash for the Baxter works which will take years to deliver under this government. https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-extension-funding-still-in-the-budgetTrouble is Victoria attaches a higher priority to Cranbourne duplication and extension to Clyde, than Baxter electrification. Minister Allan continually says we are full chat now with capex works and cant handle any more.
I can't help but think that Sydney may have a bigger workforce, or that COVID might have something to do with it...Does seem the budget from the feds does still include some cash for the Baxter works which will take years to deliver under this government. https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-extension-funding-still-in-the-budgetTrouble is Victoria attaches a higher priority to Cranbourne duplication and extension to Clyde, than Baxter electrification. Minister Allan continually says we are full chat now with capex works and cant handle any more.
Meanwhile in Sydney road and rail capex projects under way are significantly more than here, and yet Gladyys Beercan seem to be able to manage a bigger program of works. One wonders.
Firstly, its got jack to do with the state government, this is another Federal Government pet project. They are still holding on to the business case which they wont release and a very much doubt the $225 million is anywhere near the total cost of the project. It will be well north of $500mDoes seem the budget from the feds does still include some cash for the Baxter works which will take years to deliver under this government. https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-extension-funding-still-in-the-budgetTrouble is Victoria attaches a higher priority to Cranbourne duplication and extension to Clyde, than Baxter electrification. Minister Allan continually says we are full chat now with capex works and cant handle any more.
Meanwhile in Sydney road and rail capex projects under way are significantly more than here, and yet Gladyys Beercan seem to be able to manage a bigger program of works. One wonders.
Thanks for your insight. I think the Baxter extension is a worthwhile project and so it would be great to see it funded by both the state and federal governments, with an announcement before the next State Election in 2022 ideally. I think it will definitely improve operational capacity for Metro and will facilitate more frequent train services, plus providing a rail line to the poorly public transport served areas of Karingal, Frankston South, Langwarrin, Baxter and easier access from the Mornington Peninsula, being so close to Peninsula Link at Baxter. In terms of cost I think you are correct the cost is likely to between $500 million to $1 billion depending which option is taken.Firstly, its got jack to do with the state government, this is another Federal Government pet project. They are still holding on to the business case which they wont release and a very much doubt the $225 million is anywhere near the total cost of the project. It will be well north of $500mDoes seem the budget from the feds does still include some cash for the Baxter works which will take years to deliver under this government. https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-extension-funding-still-in-the-budgetTrouble is Victoria attaches a higher priority to Cranbourne duplication and extension to Clyde, than Baxter electrification. Minister Allan continually says we are full chat now with capex works and cant handle any more.
Meanwhile in Sydney road and rail capex projects under way are significantly more than here, and yet Gladyys Beercan seem to be able to manage a bigger program of works. One wonders.
Secondly, Baxter is not a priority. Which is why the state government isn't pushing it at the moment.
The Baxter electrification is only going ahead for operational reasons, there is no pressing capacity demands beyond Frankston. Upgraded stabling at Kanannook has also helped to address the operational issues short term.
Cranbourne, Hurstbridge upgrades as well as those planned for the west are of a higher priority. Pre COVID these lines had significant crowding and capacity issues that could not be addressed with the current infrastructure. This is not the case with Frankston, additional services can be added. It is just inconvenient for Metro as stabling is limited.
The project will be great for the Frankston South and Baxter, as well as making life easier for Metro. Baxter is likely to kick off before the next election once the current program of LXR works have been completed.
It will most likely be announced before the next state election, which is after the next federal election. Thats unless the feds decided to fund the project fully, depends how much they want to keep the seat or if they will sandbag other areas.
Lockie
I would add the Monash University Peninsula campus which is quite close to Leawarra station.Thanks for your insight. I think the Baxter extension is a worthwhile project and so it would be great to see it funded by both the state and federal governments, with an announcement before the next State Election in 2022 ideally. I think it will definitely improve operational capacity for Metro and will facilitate more frequent train services, plus providing a rail line to the poorly public transport served areas of Karingal, Frankston South, Langwarrin, Baxter and easier access from the Mornington Peninsula, being so close to Peninsula Link at Baxter. In terms of cost I think you are correct the cost is likely to between $500 million to $1 billion depending which option is taken.Firstly, its got jack to do with the state government, this is another Federal Government pet project. They are still holding on to the business case which they wont release and a very much doubt the $225 million is anywhere near the total cost of the project. It will be well north of $500mDoes seem the budget from the feds does still include some cash for the Baxter works which will take years to deliver under this government. https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-extension-funding-still-in-the-budgetTrouble is Victoria attaches a higher priority to Cranbourne duplication and extension to Clyde, than Baxter electrification. Minister Allan continually says we are full chat now with capex works and cant handle any more.
Meanwhile in Sydney road and rail capex projects under way are significantly more than here, and yet Gladyys Beercan seem to be able to manage a bigger program of works. One wonders.
Secondly, Baxter is not a priority. Which is why the state government isn't pushing it at the moment.
The Baxter electrification is only going ahead for operational reasons, there is no pressing capacity demands beyond Frankston. Upgraded stabling at Kanannook has also helped to address the operational issues short term.
Cranbourne, Hurstbridge upgrades as well as those planned for the west are of a higher priority. Pre COVID these lines had significant crowding and capacity issues that could not be addressed with the current infrastructure. This is not the case with Frankston, additional services can be added. It is just inconvenient for Metro as stabling is limited.
The project will be great for the Frankston South and Baxter, as well as making life easier for Metro. Baxter is likely to kick off before the next election once the current program of LXR works have been completed.
It will most likely be announced before the next state election, which is after the next federal election. Thats unless the feds decided to fund the project fully, depends how much they want to keep the seat or if they will sandbag other areas.
Lockie
And the old Mornington Station is not ideally located, with the main activity centre further distance to the west, requiring a bus connection from Mornington to the activity centre.
Okay thanks for clarifying this for me.And the old Mornington Station is not ideally located, with the main activity centre further distance to the west, requiring a bus connection from Mornington to the activity centre.
The old Mornington station was right in the centre of the current central activity centre. The Mornington Central shopping centre is built on its site.
Key issue standing in the way of Baxter actually getting built anytime soon, is that the federal Libs won't release the business case.
Local federal Labor MP held a press conference this morning as to why the Feds were holding out. Fairly easy to assumption to make is the Libs actually have no intention of building it - they just like having it as a carrot for trying to get a Lib member elected to the seat of Dunkley.
Worth remembering as well that the Lib candidate at the last state election let slip that they probably weren't really going to build best Langwarrin anyway, so you can draw your own conclusions.
I couldn't agree with you more ElliotProvis. The Liberal Federal government is obviously been playing politics with Victorian infrastructure spending ever since they came into office.Now think in reverse to this comment, "only because of Labor Federal government we got major funding towards Regional Rail Link"
It was only because of Labor Federal government we got major funding towards Regional Rail Link and future funding for the Metro rail tunnel.
Then the roads of the 21st century ideology comes in from the incoming Liberal Federal government, to only fund road projects like the East West Link and dump the funding set aside for the Metro rail tunnel. As soon as Daniel Andrews came into office, the 21st century roads of the future guy thought it was a good idea wasting money on a stupid billboard about the East west link being dumped.
Once that 21st century roads guy was gone, they played politics with Metro rail tunnel insisting South Yarra to be built even though it was a state government project they wanted to have a go there. Also it took them 6 or so months of arguing about federal funding for regional rail revival upgrades. As well as that Malcolm Turnball thought it was a political idea to suddenly announce 5 billion dollars for the airport rail link just before the Federal election, didn't tell the state government first, just went ahead and announced it on a whim. All great and good to score political points to the state government once again.
As far as I'm aware Roe-8 highway got cancelled in Perth, yet treat Perth with plenty of funding for Metro-net and forgets about the Roe-8 project. Meanwhile we have been threatened that if you don't do the East west link, federal money will not be spent in Victoria and set there doing nothing. That's what you call great economical decision making, put money in there doing jack all nothing.
Also remember the Federal government once again decided on a whim to fund the Glenferrie Kooyong level crossing removal, just to score more political points, while not funding level crossing removals that are shovel ready. What a joke. You have plenty of projects that are shovel ready that they can chose from, yet decide to fund things like high speed rail to Geelong!!!!!
Great idea let's put money for high speed trains to Geelong, even though that realistically will not happen for another 10 years. Wonderful idea. And only fund rail projects that suit them, and for road projects it's all good to give funding (North east link, Western ring road upgrades, Monash Freeway upgrade).
Sorry for the rant, Federal government should take some responsibility here for actually putting funding where it matters and also not have the state government actually come in reminding them where they need the funding. They don't care about where they are spending money for Victoria infrastructure unless it suit them for political point scoring.
being essentially 4 months behind the rest of the country, why does it get so much less than NSW? Why so much less funding when Melbourne is still projected to overtake the population of Sydney???
Melbourne's population Is tipped to decline, as Internet based companies are fed up with the Victorian State Government and are eager to jump State.being essentially 4 months behind the rest of the country, why does it get so much less than NSW? Why so much less funding when Melbourne is still projected to overtake the population of Sydney???
Because Vic has cost the rest of the country alot of money for their own incompetence? Australia was ready to get back to business in June, would have had open border to NZ and a few others, but someone in the deep south decided to F_up. How much do you think this F-up has cost the Australian economy?
Whether Melbourne over takes Sydney is yet to be seen, it wasn't that long ago Brisbane was going to overtake Melbourne.
Melbourne's population Is tipped to decline, as Internet based companies are fed up with the Victorian State Government and are eager to jump State.being essentially 4 months behind the rest of the country, why does it get so much less than NSW? Why so much less funding when Melbourne is still projected to overtake the population of Sydney???
Because Vic has cost the rest of the country alot of money for their own incompetence? Australia was ready to get back to business in June, would have had open border to NZ and a few others, but someone in the deep south decided to F_up. How much do you think this F-up has cost the Australian economy?
Whether Melbourne over takes Sydney is yet to be seen, it wasn't that long ago Brisbane was going to overtake Melbourne.
Now think in reverse to this comment, "only because of Labor Federal government we got major funding towards Regional Rail Link" What other state has received so much money or actually any money for their regional passenger rail network? Could it be the Fed govt of the day was playing politics?
In February 2010, the New South Wales Government re-announced the North West Rail Link as a conventional mainline railway, connected with the ECRL at Epping. On 11 August 2010, Prime Minister Julia Gillard announced $2.1bn in funding for the Epping to Parramatta Rail Link with $520m to be contributed by the NSW Government.[21] (a revisit of the 1998 NSW Government announcement, which despite a detailed report in 2003[22] was abandoned earlier in 2010 by the NSW Keneally Government)
Hahaha my gosh.Might be worth checking your data
There are some absolutely terrible takes here. When presented with incontrovertible factual evidence, that the Federal LNP simply does not want to fund Victoria, the party hacks start justifying it with some of the most irredeemably false spin.
I suspect a few people in Sky News would LOVE to hire some of the posters here.
Let’s start from the beginning, shall we?Now think in reverse to this comment, "only because of Labor Federal government we got major funding towards Regional Rail Link" What other state has received so much money or actually any money for their regional passenger rail network? Could it be the Fed govt of the day was playing politics?
Lol. Let’s take a look at what happened in 2010 after NSW bungled their Epping-Chatswood Rail Link and couldn’t build the North-West Rail Link. Who swooped into save NSW:In February 2010, the New South Wales Government re-announced the North West Rail Link as a conventional mainline railway, connected with the ECRL at Epping. On 11 August 2010, Prime Minister Julia Gillard announced $2.1bn in funding for the Epping to Parramatta Rail Link with $520m to be contributed by the NSW Government.[21] (a revisit of the 1998 NSW Government announcement, which despite a detailed report in 2003[22] was abandoned earlier in 2010 by the NSW Keneally Government)
Oh. Is that a Federal Labor government spending money on Rail in NSW? Hmmmm looks like it to me.
To that end, your comparison is moot. Could it be that any Federal government likes to pour money into NSW (and specifically), into Sydney...?
If that was the point your sought to make from your argument, then I think we are in agreement. There clearly is a preference.
But hey — let’s ignore that. I see that there is zero rebuttal to my argument that the Federal LNP has refused to help fund MM1, whilst trying to force the Vic Gov into building the goddamn road that nobody asked for and which the LAST STATE LNP Gov of Victoria signed the contracts for (ensuring $1 billion was wasted by the hilariously misguided assumption they’d somehow win government).
In spite of this, you have the spin machines going into overdrive spewing abuse at the present Vic ALP Gov for paying out the contract that the LNP SIGNED.
Not a peep of critical journalism from the Herald Sun, or Sky, or NewsCorpse writ-large about that gross negligence of public office.
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Geelong fast rail is neither required nor justified, its a waste of money and there are bigger fish to fry, but once again what other state has the Feds raised the option of a 100km long medium to high speed commuter line?
Once again Vic just seems to be doing things differently.
Because Vic has cost the rest of the country alot of money for their own incompetence? Australia was ready to get back to business in June, would have had open border to NZ and a few others, but someone in the deep south decided to F_up. How much do you think this F-up has cost the Australian economy?
Whether Melbourne over takes Sydney is yet to be seen, it wasn't that long ago Brisbane was going to overtake Melbourne.
Using the methodology shown in Appendix D for tangible costs, the total tangible cost associated with the 2010–11 Queensland floods is estimated at around $5.7 billion (2011 dollars) or $6.7 billion (2015 dollars).Source: Page 36, Table 3.1 [http://australianbusinessroundtable.com.au/assets/documents/Report%20-%20Social%20costs/7.%20The%20cost%20of%20natural%20disasters%20-%20Australian%20experiences.pdf
Goods trade #(excluding condiential items of trade) :EDIT: Source is here: [https://www.dfat.gov.au/sites/default/files/vic.pdf]
Victoria's major exports, 2017-18 (b):
Wool & other animal hair (incl tops)
2,120 million ($AUD)
Meat (excl beef)
1,783 million ($AUD)
Edible products & preparations, nes 1,306 million ($AUD)
Beef, f.c.f.
1,238 million ($AUD)
Pharm products (excl medicaments)
1,155 million ($AUD)
Milk, cream, whey & yoghurt
1,018 million ($AUD)
Fruit & nuts
947 million ($AUD)
Aluminium
829 million ($AUD)
Wheat
806 million ($AUD)
Cheese & curd
778 million ($AUD)
Services trade:
Victoria's major exports, 2017-18:
Education-related travel 10,620 million ($AUD)
Personal travel excluding education
5,062 million ($AUD)
Professional & management consulting
1,198
million ($AUD)
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