Baxter Electrification

 
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Includes all of the grade separations and a large stabling yard, also would need costs to relocate the freight and passenger trains on the stony point line too, the costs would start to add up. Mernda line about the same length was about 600 million (very little disruption to existing network and small stabling yard), and Cranbourne line duplication around 700 million (with grade separations in comes about the cost of 1-2 billion dollars).

If you consider the above post and this post then why would anyone want to invest $1.5b in the proposed upgrades which will never deliver more customers anyhow?  The issue is clear to me, rail services are so bad on that line people are voting with their cars and not using it as much as they should or rather could.

The business case needs to forget about grade separation for a semi rural area and electrify to Stony Point and then with key loops at stations (like those in other single track sections) increase frequencies.  No wonder the place is a mess in PTV.
bevans
I think the business case kinda gold plates the electrification to Baxter options which obviously bumps up the price, with little extra benefit.

If you reduce the stabling yard to a smaller facility, just grade separate the busiest potential crossing plus no expensive station rebuilds then it would seem really viable.

Anyways this is just the "premilinary" business case, the true business case would evaluate it further and probably find more economically viable options.

1.5 billion to Baxter is definitely less viable, than the combine Mernda and Cranbourne upgrades, due to they are being in growth areas as well as good development opportunities at Mernda town centre and revitalizing Cranbourne town centre.

I don't think there's a need to electrify the whole Stony Point line, it's a rural branch line, although extending the electrified network past Frankston is a possibility. Honestly the regional rail lines like Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo would probably be better off electrified first before considering the whole length of the Stony Point corridor.

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  Yappo Station Master

Includes all of the grade separations and a large stabling yard, also would need costs to relocate the freight and passenger trains on the stony point line too, the costs would start to add up. Mernda line about the same length was about 600 million (very little disruption to existing network and small stabling yard), and Cranbourne line duplication around 700 million (with grade separations in comes about the cost of 1-2 billion dollars).

If you consider the above post and this post then why would anyone want to invest $1.5b in the proposed upgrades which will never deliver more customers anyhow?  The issue is clear to me, rail services are so bad on that line people are voting with their cars and not using it as much as they should or rather could.

The business case needs to forget about grade separation for a semi rural area and electrify to Stony Point and then with key loops at stations (like those in other single track sections) increase frequencies.  No wonder the place is a mess in PTV.
I think the business case kinda gold plates the electrification to Baxter options which obviously bumps up the price, with little extra benefit.

If you reduce the stabling yard to a smaller facility, just grade separate the busiest potential crossing plus no expensive station rebuilds then it would seem really viable.
True Believers
I don't understand why it would need a proper stabling yard when there is one not far away?

Those 5 level crossing removals that are costed could be only 1 (or 2 max) regardless of what current policy aims for. Obviously Moorooduc rd needs a removal but beyond that?
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I don't understand why it would need a proper stabling yard when there is one not far away?
Yappo
Baxter yard is supposed to replace Frankston and was originally going to replace Carrum sidings as well.  

Since the level crossing removal was already in progress and they needed something now, Kananook was built as a replacement for Carrum instead.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

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  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
The costs cited in the preliminary business case for the Baxter rail electrification are much higher than what I imagined looking at it initially.

I have not had a chance to review the preliminary business case in great detail, but I agree to reduce costs maybe just key level crossings could be removed, such as at Moorooduc Highway (definitely required) and Robinsons Road. I think whilst extending to Langwarrin would be beneficial and improve public transport usage in the area, it would make more sense to extend to Baxter to  improve access to the wider Mornington Peninsula, with provision for a large bus interchange with a  variety of local and express bus services across the Mornington Peninsula.

Parking pressure is very high within Frankston CBD and a new electrified rail link would improve access and economic growth within the Frankston CBD, access to Monash University Peninsula and improve areas poorly serviced by public transport such as Karingal, Frankston South and Langwarrin.

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