When the 10 car sets were introduced, the guards were still in the middle, sort of and usually in the 6 car middle drivers compartment.
Woy was fitted with a mid point mirror set up for the down trains, also there was an SWSA on the platform to watch the arrival and departure, he gave the ROW for the guard.
When I was commuting in the 80's on 10 car U and V sets the guard was at the end.
I saw both, and when on the down at Woy Woy, the guard was in the middle. also as I said there was a need for SWSA to be on the platform for the ROW to the guard.
How long did the 10 car sets really go for? considering the cost of the WW station platform on both ends, was it value for money but, I would think the new sets will show up the value has finally been added.
I commuted 1982 to 1989 and both U and V sets were 10 cars, I understand it was stopped a few years later. I'm not sure why but I think it was madness to reduce your productivity per train movement by 20% considering many 10 car trains were packed.
Guards to be at the back if stopping at Koolingwong, Tascot and Point Claire which to be fair I don't think many 10 car DD's did stop at, but 10 car U sets certainly did as I was on the 10 car ~3:35pm ex Hornsby every school day for 4 years. If the guard was standing at 4/6 car on a U set heading north they wouldn't even be able to see Tascot station and heading south Point Claire wouldn't be much better and I think Koolingwong same. Poor old Wondabyne the guard would have be in the last car.
The short platform stations should have been all standardised to min 4 car or perhaps 6 car DD and major stations 10 car DD some time ago.
I had just moved to WCK in early 82 just as the beginning of the drought was evident around, end of that year the AFULE had region and depot votes for branch secretary, and in the case of WCK they had what was called #4 regional councilor, which I stood for both Branch secretary and councillor, I was elected to both positions, surrounding depots as such West Tamworth, & Gunnedah came under the WCK umbrella, while the other deports had their own secretaries and president. As the regional councilor I had to represent each of the depots without bias towards one or the others, it was a balancing act that in many meetings of the councilors issues came up that I had to present and give equal voting to each of the depots in that area.
We had tough debates and decisions usually over a 3 day period, business generally finished at the end of each days meetings, but discussions took place between us all that presented cases for all depots and locations that we had to vote on, it often though included issues that did not directly affected enginemen as such, & that included the 10 car IU trains, along with the various problems with them on short platforms, this was very much an issue that the ARU was more involved with than we were. I knew the Short North line and stations from my days at Enfield from 64-76 with a 2 year break as I was a fireman at WCK for 17 odd months before going back to Enfield in January 71.
When the extended platforms and 10 car platform stops, I can recollect that our decisions were basically moved and adopted practice that the use of 10 cars should only be on runs that had platform capacity as far as the length of the trains to fully stop at the appropriate board showing the stopping point at 4, 6, 8 & the 10 car boards. The arguments put up by the ARU at the time in seeking our support was that many platforms were unsuited to the 10 car sets, especially those with curved coping faces, and the stops at short platforms where the guard had restricted views.
As an aside, when many of those trains were still steam/diesel hauled with no communication between the driver and guard on stops with limited vision, which the longer trains had, at platforms with no SWSA or ASM, and the driver and guard could not see each other, the method of ROW was that the fireman had to watch to the rear and be able to see the guard who would have to check the platform on drivers side, when ok to go he walked across the compartment and gave ROW to Fireman, who acknowledged with short whistle blast.
Seemed under those arrangements that things tended to work quite ok, how long those 10 cars were in service I can only really remember some of the things told at Meetings and men who transferred to Eveleigh telling how things worked. I would say that 8 car DD IU's would or should have resolved the 10 car problem. Although I see a heck of a lot of issues when I travel by trains to Sydney from the Hunter.