Consolidating Surrey Hills and Mont Albert stations into a single premium station

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Also in the announcement which was not publicly announced until but sure to make some waves:

Extensive engineering and technical investigations found consolidating Surrey Hills and Mont Albert stations into a single premium station in a central location will reduce construction impacts, avoid acquiring homes and businesses and provide more trains, more often for the local communities.
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The merging of two stations in the Metro Network.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

A bit more physical exercise for some of the locals.

I used to live in Box Hill South many years ago, and would walk to Mont Albert Station to pay the cheaper Zone 1 fare!  Good exercise...

It'll be a wide trench being 3 tracks.  Will they make provision for quadding to Box Hill?
  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

They should just have 2 platforms but 4 tracks IMO.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

There isn't even Quadding to Camberwell, should at least consider Quadding to Camberwell and third track to Blackburn before doing any more track amplifications past that.

Also duplicating the Lilydale end and some of the Belgrave line is probably more bang for buck than quadding past Camberwell.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

They should just have 2 platforms but 4 tracks IMO.
Jordy33
Same as for the Frankston removals with the tri-track.

LXRP/LXRA are not forward thinkers....
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

They should just have 2 platforms but 4 tracks IMO.
Same as for the Frankston removals with the tri-track.

LXRP/LXRA are not forward thinkers....
John.Z

LXRP are trying to build infrastructure as efficiently as possible, not over-scoping the works to include upgrades that are not needed for a very long time or needed at all. When they do find efficiencies in the works (for 90% of the builds), they increase the scopes to include them, Altona passing loop, Hurstbridge duplication upgrades, Pakenham upgrade.

Only criticism for the (10% of builds), no extension of duplication on Camp road grade sep, no duplication on the Abbot's road build, and no lifts added onto the Essendon station rebuild. But these are just small nit-picks, overall done a good job.

Frankston line doesn't even need quad-track, that's gunzel talk. Realistically extension of the third track to Mordialloc is all that's needed in the long term.

It was always the plan to have 4-tracks from Burnley to Camberwell for better segregation of the Alamein corridor, anymore isn't delivering bang for buck in terms of benefits, Box Hill is not a junction station for another line, so there is no segregation just more room for stopping and express services to Box Hill, which could be achieved by a short extension of the third track to Blackburn.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

This is great!  I'm actually really surprised they're doing it - for ages it's been suggested to merge stations that are as close as these, but no state govt wanted to annoy the locals by "closing stations".

Especially interesting that they'd do it here, as it's in a state seat that Labor won in 2018 after over 20 years of it being a fairly safe Lib seat. Maybe they're working on the assumption that the people who are happy the crossings are gone will outnumber the people who are annoyed at walking an extra 200m.
  109portboi Beginner

I did a Google search but couldn't come up with an answer: where exactly will the new Pakenham East station be? Will the current Pakenham station be moving at all or smack bang in the same position?
  Djebel Locomotive Driver

Box Hill is not a junction, true.  But what of the (supposedly) forthcoming SRL?  I know it's a completely segregated line, so BH still won't be a junction, but it will become an interchange.  Would/should that effect the thinking about provision for a future 4th track (with or without platforms for the express pair).
  Upven Junior Train Controller

Wonderful news.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Hooray.
  Djebel Locomotive Driver

Big Question:  What shall be the name of this newly merged station?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Surrey Albert or Mont Hills. Yawn...
  Djebel Locomotive Driver

Not Albert Surrey?
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Keep it Surrey Hills, simple.
  Peter Spyker Train Controller

There isn't even Quadding to Camberwell, should at least consider Quadding to Camberwell and third track to Blackburn before doing any more track amplifications past that.
True Believers

But it would make sense to dig it out and make provision for it now, rather than have to do all the earthworks again later. They don't have to put in the track, but putting in the platforms at the same time (as was done with Box Hill Platform 1) would save money in the future.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Mont Albert and Surrey Hill's LXRA removal fast-tracked to completion by 2023. Work begins in mid-2021 and major works in 2022. Consolidating Surrey Hills and Mont Albert stations into a single premium station in a central location.

The new, modern station will sit in a central location less than 150 metres from the current Surrey Hills Station and less than 400m from the current Mont Albert Station – and with entrances at both ends of the platforms.
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This can be fast tracked but a siding at Dandenong for Salta for a new intermodal terminal takes another 3 years to make the toll road M1 safer and removes 1000's of unnecessary truck movements.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Better still, move Surrey Hills to the up end of Union Rd and kill off Chatham and its abnormally huge curved platforms for what probably get 100 passengers a day.

That said, Mont Albert has outlived its usefulness as far as a zonal boundary is concerned. In the old days before the entire suburban system became Zone 1 to the city, Mont Albert used to get more passengers than usual because it was still in Zone 1+2 overlap, so people from Zone 2 proper would try to get a parking spot there or Surrey Hills to save on fares to the city.

It's a shame that close-proximity stations aren't consolidated like the tram stops in the city were, almost every line has That One Station which serves absolutely no purpose aside from being a five minute walk from the next. The Ringwood line has Glenferrie/Auburn, Camberwell/East Camberwell, Canterbury/Chatham, Surrey Hills/Mont Albert and Laburnum/Blackburn. I would add East Richmond to the list but trains rarely stop there (the Glen Waverley line doesn't get so much luck...)

Others:
Riversdale/Willison, Heyington/Kooyong, Rushall/Merri, Northcote/Croxton, Westgarth/Dennis/Fairfield (pick one to remain), Alphington/Darebin, West/North Richmond, Collingwood/Victoria Park, Middle/West Footscray, Prahran/Windsor, Jewell/Brunswick, Anstey/Moreland, Merlynston/Fawkner, Glenbervie/Strathmore...
  John E Locomotive Fireman

Better still, move Surrey Hills to the up end of Union Rd and kill off Chatham and its abnormally huge curved platforms for what probably get 100 passengers a day.

That said, Mont Albert has outlived its usefulness as far as a zonal boundary is concerned. In the old days before the entire suburban system became Zone 1 to the city, Mont Albert used to get more passengers than usual because it was still in Zone 1+2 overlap, so people from Zone 2 proper would try to get a parking spot there or Surrey Hills to save on fares to the city.

It's a shame that close-proximity stations aren't consolidated like the tram stops in the city were, almost every line has That One Station which serves absolutely no purpose aside from being a five minute walk from the next. The Ringwood line has Glenferrie/Auburn, Camberwell/East Camberwell, Canterbury/Chatham, Surrey Hills/Mont Albert and Laburnum/Blackburn. I would add East Richmond to the list but trains rarely stop there (the Glen Waverley line doesn't get so much luck...)

Others:
Riversdale/Willison, Heyington/Kooyong, Rushall/Merri, Northcote/Croxton, Westgarth/Dennis/Fairfield (pick one to remain), Alphington/Darebin, West/North Richmond, Collingwood/Victoria Park, Middle/West Footscray, Prahran/Windsor, Jewell/Brunswick, Anstey/Moreland, Merlynston/Fawkner, Glenbervie/Strathmore...
Heihachi_73
There has to be a powerful reason acceptable trade off to consolidate stations. In this instance the reason is the Level Crossing removal & a marginally better service for Ringwood group pax from Box Hill and beyond. The trade-off for Mont Albert residents who live north and east of the station who have to walk an extra 5 minutes to the station, is that they have access to more frequent services. Forcing pax to walk anymore than 5 minutes to another station is probably a big disincentive.

- Riversdale/Willison: 500m between the 2. Agree but probably not until service frequency increases and the level crossing is removed.
- Heyington/Kooyong: 1.2km. Keep both. Plus Heyington serves all the St Kevs boys.
- Rushall/Merri: absolutely get rid of Rushall but probably not until Metro 2.
- Northcote/Croxton: 600m. Move Northcote north of Arthurton road and remove Croxton. Maybe put an entrance at both end of the platform
-Wesgarth/Dennis/Fairfield: Level Crossing Removal. Remove Dennis. Keep Wesgarth. Move Fairfield a bit closer to Victoria Road and have an entrance both sides.
- Alphington/Darebin: Leave both. Distance is 800m so 10 minute walk and another 10 minute walk to Ivanhoe Station.
- West/North Richmond: they're very close together but I am inclined to leave as is because they both connect to major roads (Bridge Road and Victoria Street).
- Collingwood/Victoria Park: Collingwood is a 5 minute walk from Victoria Park and a 5 minute walk from North Richmond - happy for it to go if patronage is low.
- Middle/West Footscray: I don't know enough about area but distance is 700m so probably fine to keep. also West Footscray is a long distance from Tottenham so another reason to keep.
- Prahran/Windsor: a good 10 minute walk between the 2 stations and level crossings have already been removed. Keep.

- Upfield Line: Jewell/Brunswick, Anstey/Moreland. Moreland is already been rebuilt - correct me if I am wrong? More level crossing removals will be justified once Metro 1 comes online and frequency is increased. Therefore Jewell/Brunswich and Anstey should be come 2 stations, maybe with entrances at both ends of the platforms.

- Merlynston/Fawkner: Maybe consolidate as part of level crossing removals but Gowrie is a fair bit north of Fawkner so probably keep both.

- Glenbervie/Strathmore: I don't know enough about this area.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Realistically while some station might be consolidated, I think most will be kept. In that case it would be better to overhaul the bus/tram connections to provide increased usage of low patronage stations.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Based on Metro’s 2018 passenger figures for the 213 suburban stations, excluding Stony Point line :

East Richmond (#95) – 642,000
Kooyong (#155) - 340,000 plus Heyington (#190) – 226,000 = Total 566,000

East Richmond connects with the north-south Route 78 tram.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
You guys need to calm the farm.

Nobody is talking about consolidating and closing other stations around the network. Nor should they.

The only reason this one is happening is due to the need to remove level crossings without bulldozing peoples homes.

The rest will stay as they are.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

The reason why I don’t support any provision of quadruplicating the section at Mont Albert and Surrey Hills is the major bottleneck is at Camberwell not Box Hill. It’s not even a viable project to quad past Camberwell. Anyways provision is good when there is merit, but in this case there is none.
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
There isn't even Quadding to Camberwell, should at least consider Quadding to Camberwell and third track to Blackburn before doing any more track amplifications past that.

Also duplicating the Lilydale end and some of the Belgrave line is probably more bang for buck than quadding past Camberwell.
True Believers
I think yes quadruplication from Richmond to Camberwell will be necessary in the medium term, especially more so if the Alamein line does get extended to Oakleigh through Chadstone.

Good news about Surrey Hills and Mont Albert merging together! I think 3 tracks is sufficient from Camberwell to Box Hill, but the new Surrey Hills should have 2 platforms only and a 3rd express track, as express trains should not really be stopping there.
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Especially interesting that they'd do it here, as it's in a state seat that Labor won in 2018 after over 20 years of it being a fairly safe Lib seat. Maybe they're working on the assumption that the people who are happy the crossings are gone will outnumber the people who are annoyed at walking an extra 200m.
Adogs

Will be very interesting to hear the local sentiment on this one and what the two local Council's think.

I see that the local member for Box Hill had a Q&A session last night on his Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=859341588165552&ref=watch_permalink

Ross

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