QUBE's 3966N led by CM3316 & CM3304 derailed this morning at Farmborough Heights

 
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
QUBE's 3966N led by CM3316 & CM3304 derailed this morning at Farmborough Heights.

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2737420493190869&id=1819332434999684

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
QUBE's 3966N led by CM3316 & CM3304 derailed this morning at Farmborough Heights.

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2737420493190869&id=1819332434999684
Jack Le Lievre

Similar location to the derailment by El Zorro?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
QUBE's 3966N led by CM3316 & CM3304 derailed this morning at Farmborough Heights.

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2737420493190869&id=1819332434999684
Jack Le Lievre

Line likely to be closed for up to a week.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
QUBE's 3966N led by CM3316 & CM3304 derailed this morning at Farmborough Heights.

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2737420493190869&id=1819332434999684

Line likely to be closed for up to a week.
bingley hall
Hell, what a mess, wonder how many wagons will be damaged beyond repair, just what operators don't need at this time of the year.

BigShunter.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Going to take a while to clean that one up.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Going to take a while to clean that one up.
NSWGR8022
Local pigeons and seagulls may help with the cleanup! Lot of fat birds around methinks.

Cleaning up he spill though means the grain is likely only good for stock feed, and will need to be cleaned up for use.

Good to read where the crew are both ok, also passed the mandatory tests.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
QUBE's 3966N led by CM3316 & CM3304 derailed this morning at Farmborough Heights.

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2737420493190869&id=1819332434999684

Similar location to the derailment by El Zorro?
bevans
El Zorro didn't derail. They SPAD'ed...quite spectacularly, mind you, but they stayed upright...just...

QUBE had their own runaway down the hill a couple years ago. No damage except the seat cushions needed replacement.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
QUBE had their own runaway down the hill a couple years ago. No damage except the seat cushions needed replacement.
"KRviator"
Fortunately the carpet didn't suffer the same fate as the cushions.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Previous:
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2017/rair/ro-2017-001/
Can't find the El Zorro report on the ATSB site.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Further images floating around



  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
QUBE had their own runaway down the hill a couple years ago. No damage except the seat cushions needed replacement.
KRviator

I'm told that this is the same set of wagons that were involved last time.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW

Local pigeons and seagulls may help with the cleanup! Lot of fat birds around methinks.

Cleaning up he spill though means the grain is likely only good for stock feed, and will need to be cleaned up for use.
a6et
Or Cockatoos even

https://eastcoastheritagerail.com.au/cockatoo-run-lineside-notes/


Given the rocks, dirt etc and so on in the grain, it is probably unlikely to even make good stock feed.  Cattle and sheep dont like to eat railway ballast.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Further images floating around



bevans
More big black blobs is all I get.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Given the description of the wreckage, it seems possible that the derailment was initiated at the point the single track diverges into double track, although for conventional running the train would have taken the straight route rather than diverging.

This seems more likely than the derailment occurring on normal track, unless a major failure such as a seized bearing or cracked wheel, or track subsidence, were involved.

But as a former mechanical engineer, I always look for track faults first.

This is of course, just speculation but even worn flanges can cause derailments at points (having actually watched one occur). That event was in a major yard and the radio talk between the crew of the derailed train, our train and the yard tower was quite amusing...

Peter
  emmastreet Chief Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Further images floating around



More big black blobs is all I get.
YM-Mundrabilla
A couple of clicks and time (waiting) seems to get it to work for me.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
QUBE had their own runaway down the hill a couple years ago. No damage except the seat cushions needed replacement.

I'm told that this is the same set of wagons that were involved last time.
Fatty
If I've read the wagon histories right (Always debatable...), it is the same style of wagon also involved in the El Zorro incident too.

El Zorry had a rake of WGBY's on, while QUBE I had CGSY's, but AIUI, they're essentially the same wagon, the only difference being single or two-pack configuration.

Once, you can say it's a screw up. Twice, well, unlikely but possible. Three times with the same wagon style? Yeah, nah....
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Are those wagons Chinese made ?
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Given the description of the wreckage, it seems possible that the derailment was initiated at the point the single track diverges into double track, although for conventional running the train would have taken the straight route rather than diverging.

This seems more likely than the derailment occurring on normal track, unless a major failure such as a seized bearing or cracked wheel, or track subsidence, were involved.

But as a former mechanical engineer, I always look for track faults first.

This is of course, just speculation but even worn flanges can cause derailments at points (having actually watched one occur). That event was in a major yard and the radio talk between the crew of the derailed train, our train and the yard tower was quite amusing...

Peter
M636C

My (pretty reliable) sources tell me the train was doing 95 km/h around those 40 km curves which I reckon was a contributing factor.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
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  M636C Minister for Railways

QUBE had their own runaway down the hill a couple years ago. No damage except the seat cushions needed replacement.

I'm told that this is the same set of wagons that were involved last time.
If I've read the wagon histories right (Always debatable...), it is the same style of wagon also involved in the El Zorro incident too.

El Zorry had a rake of WGBY's on, while QUBE I had CGSY's, but AIUI, they're essentially the same wagon, the only difference being single or two-pack configuration.

Once, you can say it's a screw up. Twice, well, unlikely but possible. Three times with the same wagon style? Yeah, nah....
KRviator
The WGBY and WGSY wagons are generally similar to the XGAY wagons, but the WGSY and the similar SSR wagons have flatter sides giving a higher cubic capacity. But as I understand it they are similar below the coupler level. The bogies with the diagonal cross links are difficult to work on with less clearance for inspection and adjustment to brake gear. If the brakes are not operating as designed it makes a runaway more likely. The original XGAY design was smaller in profile to allow the wagons to fit the Queensland loading gauge, although none have been used there so far. The WGSY wagons were built in a different factory to the earlier wagons.

I note someone has indicated that the train was running at a higher speed than the track limit, which would suggest that this is a third example of braking not working as intended, although the reason for that is yet to be determined.

Peter
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Given the description of the wreckage, it seems possible that the derailment was initiated at the point the single track diverges into double track, although for conventional running the train would have taken the straight route rather than diverging.

This seems more likely than the derailment occurring on normal track, unless a major failure such as a seized bearing or cracked wheel, or track subsidence, were involved.

But as a former mechanical engineer, I always look for track faults first.

This is of course, just speculation but even worn flanges can cause derailments at points (having actually watched one occur). That event was in a major yard and the radio talk between the crew of the derailed train, our train and the yard tower was quite amusing...

Peter
M636C
'But as a former mechanical engineer, I always look for track faults first.'

Of course .......................
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
How amazingly odd to have 3 derailments with the same set of wagons or wagon type.

What are the odds?
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
How amazingly odd to have 3 derailments with the same set of wagons or wagon type.

What are the odds?
NSWGR8022
The first two runaways, El Zorro and QUBE 1 weren't derailments. The only damage was to the lead loco seat cushions and the Driver's careers.
  a6et Minister for Railways


Local pigeons and seagulls may help with the cleanup! Lot of fat birds around methinks.

Cleaning up he spill though means the grain is likely only good for stock feed, and will need to be cleaned up for use.Or Cockatoos even

https://eastcoastheritagerail.com.au/cockatoo-run-lineside-notes/


Given the rocks, dirt etc and so on in the grain, it is probably unlikely to even make good stock feed.  Cattle and sheep dont like to eat railway ballast.
james.au
James, I worked over several unfenced lines on more than enough occasions, and both Sheep and Cattle would eat a lot of stuff from the railway lines, sheep being the worst.

Cockatoos and Galahs were quite feral especially the Galahs, near Watermark one season with the wheat ready for stripping blew the horn at a farmers crossing, and the number of Galahs that took off was incredible, would have love to have had my camera ready.

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