QUBE's 3966N led by CM3316 & CM3304 derailed this morning at Farmborough Heights

 
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW

James, I worked over several unfenced lines on more than enough occasions, and both Sheep and Cattle would eat a lot of stuff from the railway lines, sheep being the worst.
a6et
I dont doubt they'll eat some of it but ingesting rocks etc causes damage in the long run and they do avoid big stones etc.  Theyre not equipped with a gizzard like birds and their teeth are easily broken.

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  a6et Minister for Railways


James, I worked over several unfenced lines on more than enough occasions, and both Sheep and Cattle would eat a lot of stuff from the railway lines, sheep being the worst.I dont doubt they'll eat some of it but ingesting rocks etc causes damage in the long run and they do avoid big stones etc.  Theyre not equipped with a gizzard like birds and their teeth are easily broken.
james.au
I think the ingesting bit would be much less painful than the passing of it.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
How amazingly odd to have 3 derailments with the same set of wagons or wagon type.

What are the odds?
NSWGR8022

I don't think that 3 derailments of the same wagon type is unusual. Three runaways down the same section of track with the same wagon type certainly is.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
These are wagon 'classes' not wagon types.
Wagon classes are NMNX, AQMX, AOOX etc and wagon types are car carrier, container flat, open wagon etc.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Line might be closed for up to 4 weeks.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Line might be closed for up to 4 weeks.
Carnot
Advice to operators is 5 - 8 weeks being closed. Most likely get one line operational and work on Pilot Staff. The other line who knows. It changes everyday at the moment. There was wagons in the trees, down embankments etc.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Line might be closed for up to 4 weeks.
Advice to operators is 5 - 8 weeks being closed. Most likely get one line operational and work on Pilot Staff. The other line who knows. It changes everyday at the moment. There was wagons in the trees, down embankments etc.
LowndesJ515

Nice to hear from someone on the ground.
Cheers
  420renegade Station Staff

How amazingly odd to have 3 derailments with the same set of wagons or wagon type.

What are the odds?
The first two runaways, El Zorro and QUBE 1 weren't derailments. The only damage was to the lead loco seat cushions and the Driver's careers.
KRviator
there was track damage from the first qube runaway to the track geometry due to the speed the train took the corner, requiring rectification works.
  420renegade Station Staff

Line might be closed for up to 4 weeks.
Advice to operators is 5 - 8 weeks being closed. Most likely get one line operational and work on Pilot Staff. The other line who knows. It changes everyday at the moment. There was wagons in the trees, down embankments etc.
LowndesJ515
both up and down lines are signaled bi directional track, if the signaling is not restored it will be spa working.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Advice to operators is 5 - 8 weeks being closed. Most likely get one line operational and work on Pilot Staff.
both up and down lines are signaled bi directional track, if the signaling is not restored it will be spa working.
420renegade
It's all yard working through there isn't it? Why would there be SPA's if it's inside yard limits?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
What is the commercial side of this?  Who wears the extra running costs to come up through the metro network and back down to PtK?  Who pays for the track to be restored?  Is there some sort of fault model in place that would dictate who's insurance covers it?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
What is the commercial side of this?  Who wears the extra running costs to come up through the metro network and back down to PtK?  Who pays for the track to be restored?  Is there some sort of fault model in place that would dictate who's insurance covers it?
james.au

Someone could probably get their PhD writing a thesis on such a scenario.

ARTC will pay for the track to be restored in the first instance then when the various inquiries have apportioned blame they will seek recompense unless of course it turns out it was their fault. It then gets handed over to the insurers and the lawyers. I remember going back almost a couple of decades now a very bitter dispute between ARTC and SCT over a derailment in Victoria where each was blaming the other - if I recall correctly SCT won in the end.

With the extra running via the metro network, the incident has been deemed 'force majeure' so additional track access fees may be waived - but don't quote me on that. Extra fuel and crewing I think the operator (and perhaps the customer) just has to wear it.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Informative article here.

NSW grain export logistics in chaos after derailment.

EAST coast grain exporters are closely monitoring the situation in regards to grain exports out of Port Kembla after a grain train derailed on the Moss Vale to Unanderra railway line, closing the line indefinitely.

An estimate for reopening the line, which is critical in bringing in grain from the south west slopes and Riverina into Port Kembla, has not yet been provided, but given the remote nature of where the damage occurred it is unlikely to be before the end of the year.


With shipping slots at a premium and a massive export program underway, exporters are thinking outside the square on how they can get grain to Port Kembla.

It is difficult to move big volumes of grain by road over the Great Dividing Range, which soars to 800 metres just out of Wollongong, where Port Kembla is located, and features a number of steep inclines.

The train derailment took place in one of those steep and hilly areas, making the repairs more difficult.


There are two grain ports at Port Kembla, one operated by GrainCorp, Australia's largest grain export port by capacity, and one operated by Qube.

https://www.theland.com.au/story/7060804/nsw-grain-export-logistics-in-chaos-after-derailment/?cs=4963

BigShunter.
  420renegade Station Staff

Advice to operators is 5 - 8 weeks being closed. Most likely get one line operational and work on Pilot Staff.
both up and down lines are signaled bi directional track, if the signaling is not restored it will be spa working.
It's all yard working through there isn't it? Why would there be SPA's if it's inside yard limits?
KRviator
no ones been informed what signalling will work once the wreckage has been removed, atm all of it is out.

if the starters are out then spas would be used Dombarton to Unanderra and Dombarton to summit tank, the yard itself would be verbal authorities

its still deemed emergency works atm so unless they change that definition spa working will still be used as spas cant be used for planned track work
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

This is why we should be exporting grain out of newcastle as well as Port Kembla. All that grain could be going out Newcastle on a much shorter trip for most of it.
  a6et Minister for Railways

This is why we should be exporting grain out of newcastle as well as Port Kembla. All that grain could be going out Newcastle on a much shorter trip for most of it.
simstrain
Sims, the last few weeks have seen quite a few grain trains running here in the valley, many interesting loco combo's, sadly whenever I see them I don't have a camera or see them as I get to Victoria St station and they are heading away or when I am on the local squirts..

Biggest problem though is the general large amount of other trains up here but, coal trains have dropped off somewhat owing one would think a result of the China bans on Oz coal.  There are also grain trains coming to NCL via the CC line as well as from the North and western lines via Ulan and possibly Dubbo-Bnwy & Werris Creek.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
CC line = ?
NCL = North Coast Line or Newcastle or something else?
Please.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
This is why we should be exporting grain out of newcastle as well as Port Kembla. All that grain could be going out Newcastle on a much shorter trip for most of it.
simstrain

Say what?

There's a daily procession of grain trains unloading in Newcastle already, and please explain how grain from Southern NSW is better off going to Newcastle?
  a6et Minister for Railways

CC line = ?
NCL = North Coast Line or Newcastle or something else?
Please.
YM-Mundrabilla
Central Coast line eg North Strathfield to Newcastle.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Line might be closed for up to 4 weeks.
Carnot

  • the Down main is expected to be operational from 1800hrs 22 Dec 20.
  • The Down main will be operational for bi-directional running until the 04 Jan 21.
  • The Up main will remain closed until further notice.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
CC line = ?
NCL = North Coast Line or Newcastle or something else?
Please.
Central Coast line eg North Strathfield to Newcastle.
a6et
Short North !
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
So for anyone unfamiliar with some of the more esoteric jargon spoken in NSW:

Central Coast = Short North = Metrop to Newcastle (all one and the same) ??

NCL = Newcastle in this context rather than the frequently used acronym for the North Coast Line.
  a6et Minister for Railways

CC line = ?
NCL = North Coast Line or Newcastle or something else?
Please.
Central Coast line eg North Strathfield to Newcastle.
Short North !
Nightfire
CC, is a fairly common term these days especially when news channels refer to train running within the general district from the Metro area to Wickham/Newcastle interchange.  Also part changing and referrals to the Central Coast lines are announced on regional news as Central Coast line for delay and on time type of running's. CC was used for commuter trains running as far as Gosford and later extended to include Wyong services. Both being terminating/turn round stations for trains each way.

Short North has not been a term used these days very much. In the older days especially when engine changes were carried out out at Gosford, other words prior to the NCL line being the more common short term name for the line meaning NCL being for NewCastle Line.  A similar tag was applied for trains from Sydney to Goulburn being deemed Short South, the likes of the Illawarra and the Western line had other tags such as the mountains for the line to Lithgow, and the Illawarra being deemed nothing more than The coast, or Illawarra.

These days, with through running on trains heading out of Sydney and going through Broadmeadow and heading to Werris Creek or the North Coast Line, and they do not have engine changes or crew changes until Taree and WCK are reached.

The crews working colies as far as the Ulan line and other collieries are just deemed as being "The Valley" working.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

This is why we should be exporting grain out of newcastle as well as Port Kembla. All that grain could be going out Newcastle on a much shorter trip for most of it.

Say what?

There's a daily procession of grain trains unloading in Newcastle already, and please explain how grain from Southern NSW is better off going to Newcastle?
bingley hall
My reading of the situation led me to believe that all grain was being shipped to Port Kembla and nothing to Newcastle but I obviously misunderstood.

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