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New VLINE timetable significantly slows down services on the Maryborough Line

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    Topic moved from News by bevans on 12 Jan 2021 14:12
      NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

    Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
    A useful review of the Maryborough timetable changes which do show a marked change to slower services and by a fair bit in fact being 10 minutes or more on some services.  

    Why would V/Line see the need to slow the services between Maryborough and Ballarat is there something wrong with the track or other infrastructure that is preventing the current speeds from being maintained?

    NEW VLINE TIMETABLE SIGNIFICANTLY SLOWS DOWN SERVICES ON THE MARYBOROUGH LINE
    Posted: 12 Jan 2021 11:51

    Last edited by NSWGR8022 on 12 Jan 2021 23:28; edited 1 time in total

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      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Interesting figures.

    9 weekday services each way = 18 (most days) but of the 18 only 4 are trains the remainder as buses.  I do think there is scope to improve maryborough and that involves the Maryborough to CME route as a train.

    With the coaches it does seem the delays to the service are more on the rail side not the coaches.
    Posted: 12 Jan 2021 14:45
      The Vinelander Minister for Railways

    Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
    And another storm in a teacup that would have been better left in the ' news' thread

    M.
    Posted: 12 Jan 2021 15:25
      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    What is V/line playing at with the timetable for Maryborough providing for longer transit times. The father away you are from Melbourne the shorter time possible is something you want. Why increase the tone to get between your cities in the new timetable with the new money spent on Ballarat. But seeing the issue is the same via Bendigo what is the reason for slowing Bendigo services ?
    Posted: 12 Jan 2021 15:47
      Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
    WHY IS THIS THREAD SO SHOUTY?

    Oh, it's based off a Regional Rail Alliance article, never mind.


    In all seriousness though, is this a real-world slow down? Or is it just V/Line adding extra fat into their timetable again to counter for the extra time their services were already taking?
    Posted: 12 Jan 2021 19:49
      Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

    Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
    Wasn't there a forum rule against topics with all capital letters? Or has that fallen by the wayside?
    Posted: 12 Jan 2021 20:36
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Wasn't there a forum rule against topics with all capital letters? Or has that fallen by the wayside?
    Greensleeves

    It snuck through on a news item.  occasionally I miss especially with the changes to the platform earlier this week.  I do apologise,
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 09:44
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    WHY IS THIS THREAD SO SHOUTY?

    Oh, it's based off a Regional Rail Alliance article, never mind.


    In all seriousness though, is this a real-world slow down? Or is it just V/Line adding extra fat into their timetable again to counter for the extra time their services were already taking?
    Gman_86

    Well this is the question really.  This timetable for Maryborough (staying on topic) is not a great outcome for the regional town some services taking 16 minutes longer.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 09:46
      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    It's an outrage!

    The 2009 timetable to Maryborough should be reinstated immediately.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 12:48
      NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

    Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
    WHY IS THIS THREAD SO SHOUTY?

    Oh, it's based off a Regional Rail Alliance article, never mind.


    In all seriousness though, is this a real-world slow down? Or is it just V/Line adding extra fat into their timetable again to counter for the extra time their services were already taking?
    Gman_86

    It does not make sense when you consider there are no changes to the track between Ballarat and Maryborough and the infrastructure between Ballarat and Melbourne has just had $500m invested, albeit on useless projects like stabling outside of Bacchus Marsh when existing was available and passing loops which we are yet to see the value.  All the new infrastructure should make for more trains on a current timetable transit time not more infrastructure = less faster trains.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 17:00
      railblogger Chief Commissioner

    Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
    The stabling at Bacchus marsh had to be moved to make way for the new platform.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 17:18
      NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

    Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
    The stabling at Bacchus marsh had to be moved to make way for the new platform.
    railblogger

    There is nothing left at Bacchus Marsh?
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 17:20
      route14 Chief Commissioner

    Moved to Maddingley siding.  I think that's to facilitate a second platform at Bacchus Marsh.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 17:26
      speedemon08 Mary

    Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
    Moved to Maddingley siding.  I think that's to facilitate a second platform at Bacchus Marsh.
    route14
    Correct. Several new stations, duplication to Melton, duplicating Ballan station, making a new yard outside of Baccus Marsh so you can duplicate the platforms.

    And a certain RP member is wondering where all the money got spent.

    I wonder if all the timetable padding is west of Ballarat?
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 17:42
      route14 Chief Commissioner

    I think straighter and longer loops will certainly help punctuality and capacity.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 17:46
      justarider Chief Commissioner

    Location: Free at last, free at last
    Moved to Maddingley siding.  I think that's to facilitate a second platform at Bacchus Marsh.
    Correct. Several new stations, duplication to Melton, duplicating Ballan station, making a new yard outside of Baccus Marsh so you can duplicate the platforms.

    And a certain RP member is wondering where all the money got spent.

    I wonder if all the timetable padding is west of Ballarat?
    speedemon08
    To remove any ambiguity, the 2nd platform is not just envisioned, its completed.

    https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/bacchus-marsh-station
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 17:53

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      Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
    The stabling at Bacchus marsh had to be moved to make way for the new platform.

    There is nothing left at Bacchus Marsh?
    NSWGR8022
    All that is left at Bacchus Marsh is a single siding on the down side of the station and a short siding on the Up side that provides access to the turntable road. All of the stabling sidings were removed in 2019.

    The sad thing is that the work done to the Ballarat line is pretty decent. There is no excuse for the disappointment that is the new timetable.

    V/Line really should do better with what they have been given.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 17:53

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      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    Even with the new platform there should have been space to retain several roads on the downside of Bacchus Marsh. Create new stabling rather than altering existing would have been very costly and an inconvenience to drivers.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 20:23
      justarider Chief Commissioner

    Location: Free at last, free at last
    Even with the new platform there should have been space to retain several roads on the downside of Bacchus Marsh. Create new stabling rather than altering existing would have been very costly and an inconvenience to drivers.
    freightgate
    mmmm yeah, lets think about that.

    Massive improvement for passengers, bus & car interchange. You know them, the reason for a stations existence.
    OR
    driver "where do I park the train ??? , oh yeah outside the new lunch rooms, where I parked my car this morning."

    Ps 12 new train spots, instead of 5.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 20:56

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      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    The photos here may assist: https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/bacchus-marsh-station
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 21:45
      YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

    Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
    ' ..... an inconvenience to drivers .... '
    Oh dear, how sad , never mind, too bad.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2021 23:13

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