XPT replacement thread 2019

 
  a6et Minister for Railways

How is the CAF going to provide extra comfort on the same tracks?

The bathurst mock up looks like crap. Yuk! Are they going to be the final colours? Why not make the train feel like a lounge as SJ does on its long distance pax rail in Sweden?

I have always hated the XPT/XPL seat colours and cabin. Am I the only one who thinks the interior looks like a mobile hospital emergency room?

This is what I will miss about the v sets. Wall to wall carpet and the right colour. I even liked the wood laminate panels that they had at one point.
ANR
The Bx CAF is a mock up, and its possible for changes to be made following comments by those who have looked into it. Until there is a test set available we wont really know much about it.

Either way, the best, but worst source to to talk about it is the ones who pushed for it, namely the current state government and transport minister who always knows best and what the people want, even though he doesn't talk to them owing to his high arrogance rate.

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  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

A more modern Suspension system is how.
simstrain
Engine and transmission noise is one thing, but XPL also have a lot of knocking and creaking from the drawgear. You may speculate that the new trains will have superior, "modern" suspension but they have to carry traction gear and underfloor engines. No one will know how they ride until at least 2023!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Seriously...another 2½ years and only 4 car trains as well Question

I know you are a big fan Sims, but this is not going to work very well on the main South to Melbourne where at holiday times 5 or 6 passenger cars are often the make up of the XPT.

Sure, I understand it's a half asred project by a conservative government, hence the extremely long timelines, they probably don't even expect to be in government by then and it will be like Greiners regional railway decimation time all over again.

I do however like the adaptation of QR's single seat option, presumably in First or Business class as may be the case in 2023, but seriously, more cars will surely be needed.

Mike.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Seriously...another 2½ years and only 4 car trains as well Question

I know you are a big fan Sims, but this is not going to work very well on the main South to Melbourne where at holiday times 5 or 6 passenger cars are often the make up of the XPT.

Sure, I understand it's a half asred project by a conservative government, hence the extremely long timelines, they probably don't even expect to be in government by then and it will be like Greiners regional railway decimation time all over again.

I do however like the adaptation of QR's single seat option, presumably in First or Business class as may be the case in 2023, but seriously, more cars will surely be needed.

Mike.
The Vinelander

3 car and 6 car trains vinelander. The XPT replacements to Melbourne will be a 6 car train with 3 cars for the local endeavour replacements and for dubbo, bathurst, griffith, canberra and broken hill xplorers. I have no idea where you got 4 car trains from.

It is also not half arsed at all. Say what you want about victorian conservative governments or our previous nick greiner government but this one has been building lots and lots of rail.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Engine and transmission noise is one thing, but XPL also have a lot of knocking and creaking from the drawgear. You may speculate that the new trains will have superior, "modern" suspension but they have to carry traction gear and underfloor engines. No one will know how they ride until at least 2023!
NSWRcars

The engine in the CAF will be placed differently then the Xplorer as well. It will be much closer to the bogie and the exhaust is going to be at the end of the carriage instead of in the middle. These trains will be much better for regional travellers. I will admit it would be nice if they were built in Australia but I have no issue with the layout of these trains.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

3 car and 6 car trains vinelander. The XPT replacements to Melbourne will be a 6 car train with 3 cars for the local endeavour replacements and for dubbo, bathurst, griffith, canberra and broken hill xplorers. I have no idea where you got 4 car trains from.

It is also not half arsed at all. Say what you want about victorian conservative governments or our previous nick greiner government but this one has been building lots and lots of rail.
simstrain

I did the rough division from your Minister in the FaceBook link. Agreed lots of urban rail in Sydney, however where the real Conservatives constituency lives, in the bush, such a long timeline. Geez, we'll have the SG V'Locity's running on the NE in a few months...and we thought that was a long lead in time.

Mike.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Seriously...another 2½ years and only 4 car trains as well Question

I know you are a big fan Sims, but this is not going to work very well on the main South to Melbourne where at holiday times 5 or 6 passenger cars are often the make up of the XPT.

Sure, I understand it's a half asred project by a conservative government, hence the extremely long timelines, they probably don't even expect to be in government by then and it will be like Greiners regional railway decimation time all over again.

I do however like the adaptation of QR's single seat option, presumably in First or Business class as may be the case in 2023, but seriously, more cars will surely be needed.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Vinelander, you should park the political attitude especially when you are completely wrong.

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- 10 long (6-car) trainsets for use on long-distance services linking Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane,
- 9 short (3-car) Regional trainsets for NSW and
- 10 short (3-car) Intercity sets for the Southern Highlands - a total of 29 trains.

We have previously gone through the Vic vs NSW and ALP vs LNP and the truth doesn't come out the way you think it does.

Of Greiner's rail closures, how many of those lines were reopened in the following 11 years of ALP govt? Answer almost zero and  the ALP govt closed more lines.

Back to rail,
QR's single seat option in Business Class is due to the narrow width of the trains. As NSW is I believe getting ride of sleepers I can only assume in First Class its to make the seats more comfortable for sleeping.

Is the overall fleet size big enough.

- 10 x 6 car train sets to replace the current Nth - Sth XPT fleet which is made up of 7 x mostly 6 car sets + 1 set spare
So it appears there is going to be opportunity for timetable/frequency improvement here

- 9 x 3 car train sets to replace the current XPL fleet used for
-> 4 sets of various sizes for NW
-> 2 sets for Canberra
-> 1 set for Griffith + Broken Hill
+ what ever spare sets
-> + the short XPT set to Dubbo
Total of 8 sets in service, note Dubbo will get 2 x services a day.
So looks ok here

The question about are there enough trains is more for the inter urban fleet. I haven't counted the As the XPL/END fleet is less than 30 years old, I would expect that these trains could be retained as needed as gap fillers and growth on the interurban network for a few years to come. Additional trains could then be ordered in due course without fear of leaving the existing network short of rolling stock.  


  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Hello,

I understand that a full size mock-up of the new CAF train is currently located somewhere in Bathurst and is being used to obtain staff and customer group feedback on the proposed interior fit-out. I believe it has been in Bathurst since the beginning of December 2020.

Does anyone know where in Bathurst the mock-up is located and if it will be moved around the State to be shown to a range of user groups?

Also, who manufactured the mock-up?

Kind Regards

Campapse
Campaspe 2
Campaspe 2 the mock-up at Bathurst is not a full train.  It has been set up in the EDI facility at Kelso, near Bathurst.  EDI are a member of the Momentum train consortium.

The mock-up is a trial layout of the passenger saloon types and driver's cab only.    There are no full carriages present.  Exteriors are painted, have operating doors and interior features, but no under gear or roof gear fitted.  There are no public inspections planned as of December 2020.  Inspection is by invitation only.  Mainly TrainLink crew members (driver's etc reps) and some special community reps (disability groups).

The mock-ups were constructed by CAF in Spain and imported to Australia and installed by EDI in their factory.  CAF are also part of the Momentum trains consortium.  Momentum trains is the consortium name of the group contracted to provide the new regional trains as part of the RRP.

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Happy inspecting,

John in Goulburn
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Seriously...another 2½ years and only 4 car trains as well Question

I know you are a big fan Sims, but this is not going to work very well on the main South to Melbourne where at holiday times 5 or 6 passenger cars are often the make up of the XPT.

Sure, I understand it's a half asred project by a conservative government, hence the extremely long timelines, they probably don't even expect to be in government by then and it will be like Greiners regional railway decimation time all over again.

I do however like the adaptation of QR's single seat option, presumably in First or Business class as may be the case in 2023, but seriously, more cars will surely be needed.

Mike.
Vinelander, you should park the political attitude especially when you are completely wrong.


We have previously gone through the Vic vs NSW and ALP vs LNP and the truth doesn't come out the way you think it does.

Of Greiner's rail closures, how many of those lines were reopened in the following 11 years of ALP govt? Answer almost zero and  the ALP govt closed more lines.

Back to rail,
QR's single seat option in Business Class is due to the narrow width of the trains. As NSW is I believe getting ride of sleepers I can only assume in First Class its to make the seats more comfortable for sleeping.  

RTT_Rules

I'll wear the political bias accusation Shane as Victoria well and truly has the runs on the board regarding the provision of regional PT, though NSW is starting to catch up...in 2½ years.

Regarding Qld, not sure when you last caught the Cairns Tilt, but I think you'll find that train is much wider than you thought and the provision of single seating in 1st or Railbed class is only to add to the exclusivity of the service offered...nothing to do with the trains width.

Mike.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner


I'll wear the political bias accusation Shane as Victoria well and truly has the runs on the board regarding the provision of regional PT, though NSW is starting to catch up...in 2½ years.

Regarding Qld, not sure when you last caught the Cairns Tilt, but I think you'll find that train is much wider than you thought and the provision of single seating in 1st or Railbed class is only to add to the exclusivity of the service offered...nothing to do with the trains width.

Mike.
The Vinelander

Again Victoria doesn't have the runs on the board you just think it does. Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo are still diesel railcar services and what Victoria calls regional for the most part we call intercity or outer suburban and aside from the Southern highlands the network is electrified. As for actual regional trains we have more of them then Victoria has and they go a significantly further distance then any such service in Victoria. Mildura would be a no brainer for NSW but apparently isn't so for Victoria.

So stop with this bullcrap about Victoria being superior and how horrible our government is for transport when they have spent a significant amount of money on trains.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Vinelander, you should park the political attitude especially when you are completely wrong.


The question about are there enough trains is more for the inter urban fleet. I haven't counted the As the XPL/END fleet is less than 30 years old, I would expect that these trains could be retained as needed as gap fillers and growth on the interurban network for a few years to come. Additional trains could then be ordered in due course without fear of leaving the existing network short of rolling stock.  


RTT_Rules

I read somewhere recently that the Endeavours will be kept for use on the Hunter line and so maybe there maybe an expansion of hunter line services or possibly more 4 car services.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Vinelander, you should park the political attitude especially when you are completely wrong.


The question about are there enough trains is more for the inter urban fleet. I haven't counted the As the XPL/END fleet is less than 30 years old, I would expect that these trains could be retained as needed as gap fillers and growth on the interurban network for a few years to come. Additional trains could then be ordered in due course without fear of leaving the existing network short of rolling stock.  


I read somewhere recently that the Endeavours will be kept for use on the Hunter line and so maybe there maybe an expansion of hunter line services or possibly more 4 car services.
simstrain
Sims, I cannot see that based on pre Covid patronage on the Hunter lines that there is a need for more services up here ATM, currently and pre Covid there were 4 trains per hour between 0700 -0800 from Victoria St,  then 3 trains between 0800 & 0900 all to Wickham.  The services a split between limited stops and all stations services, the later being 3 minutes longer than the limited stops services.
Pre Covid the services in the 0700 - 0800 services along with the first one just after 0800 usually were close to around 80% patronage, with many getting off at Warabrook for the Uni, then Hamilton where change to Sydney trains were the next level of numbers.

ATM, the trains still all run to normal TT's and mostly have a fair number of schoolies heading to the beach, but pre the tram and Covid, the trains had more passengers including schoolies and adults.

One of the stations that has few numbers is Metford, which the suburb of that name screamed out for a station, even in peak times, max who get on are 6, maybe a couple more when uni is open.  The busiest stations are Victoria St, Thornton, then Beresfield & Warabrook.  

The aspect that should be pushed is the need perhaps for a Singleton service and promotion of the Branxton area which is growing quite a bit from the new estates on the Cessnock side of the station, but there is also a degree of new estates on the other side as well, but more rural blocks.  In saying that the longer distance service to MBK should do the job.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

I'll wear the political bias accusation Shane as Victoria well and truly has the runs on the board regarding the provision of regional PT, though NSW is starting to catch up...in 2½ years.

Regarding Qld, not sure when you last caught the Cairns Tilt, but I think you'll find that train is much wider than you thought and the provision of single seating in 1st or Railbed class is only to add to the exclusivity of the service offered...nothing to do with the trains width.

Mike.
Again Victoria doesn't have the runs on the board you just think it does. Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo are still diesel railcar services and what Victoria calls regional for the most part we call intercity or outer suburban and aside from the Southern highlands the network is electrified. As for actual regional trains we have more of them then Victoria has and they go a significantly further distance then any such service in Victoria. Mildura would be a no brainer for NSW but apparently isn't so for Victoria.

So stop with this bullcrap about Victoria being superior and how horrible our government is for transport when they have spent a significant amount of money on trains.
simstrain

You are of course entitled to your opinion.

Mike.
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

I read somewhere recently that the Endeavours will be kept for use on the Hunter line
simstrain
from the Regional Rail Project FAQ:
"Will all XPTs, XPLORERs and Endeavour trains be taken off the network?
At this stage there are plans to retain a number of Endeavour cars to support operations on the Hunter line, along with the Hunter rail car fleet. Planning is under way for the retirement and disposal of the existing fleet where they are being removed from the network, and their future where they may be retained."

  simstrain Chief Commissioner

You are of course entitled to your opinion.

Mike.
The Vinelander

It isn't my opinion it is facts. Seymour, Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo would all be covered by double decker electrics if they were in NSW. These make up most of the so called regional rail services you victorians brag so much about. Swan Hill, Warnambool, Albury and Bairnsdale are your only true regional services.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

I'll wear the political bias accusation Shane as Victoria well and truly has the runs on the board regarding the provision of regional PT, though NSW is starting to catch up...in 2½ years.

Regarding Qld, not sure when you last caught the Cairns Tilt, but I think you'll find that train is much wider than you thought and the provision of single seating in 1st or Railbed class is only to add to the exclusivity of the service offered...nothing to do with the trains width.

Mike.
The Vinelander

Every time you talk about NSW trains its with ha political reference, you cannot just talk trains and leave it at that.

As for your reference to V/line, you quickly forget Vic only did that with Fed govt money, like the Metro and the airport line. NSw is self funding most of its PT. It cannot even fund the sparking of the Geelong line.

Vic upgraded its loco hauled diesel interurban trains in the 90's, decades after NSW had electrified interurban services at more than twice the frequency and service. Melbourne still have diesel suburban services and single track lines.  

Both Qld and WA have electrified services of longer routes than Vic and at the rate things are going so will SA.

The Newcastle suburban network carries more than many of the Vic interurban lines.

NSW has regional services that would cross Vic twice. BH 1100km has a weekly DMU, Mildura........

Vic was given fed money to upgrade the NW lines and completed F'ed it up and project stopped not complete.

You openly critise the NSW LNP for what you perceive they F'ed up, but yet you conveniently ignore the disaster the former ALP caused to the NSW regional network. So much so that they had to had over teh Regional network to the feds with money to pay for some of the former deferred upgrades.


Yes ack on trains.
YEs I agree regarding the CTT.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Vinelander, you should park the political attitude especially when you are completely wrong.


The question about are there enough trains is more for the inter urban fleet. I haven't counted the As the XPL/END fleet is less than 30 years old, I would expect that these trains could be retained as needed as gap fillers and growth on the interurban network for a few years to come. Additional trains could then be ordered in due course without fear of leaving the existing network short of rolling stock.  

I read somewhere recently that the Endeavours will be kept for use on the Hunter line and so maybe there maybe an expansion of hunter line services or possibly more 4 car services.
Sims, I cannot see that based on pre Covid patronage on the Hunter lines that there is a need for more services up here ATM, currently and pre Covid there were 4 trains per hour between 0700 -0800 from Victoria St,  then 3 trains between 0800 & 0900 all to Wickham.  The services a split between limited stops and all stations services, the later being 3 minutes longer than the limited stops services.
Pre Covid the services in the 0700 - 0800 services along with the first one just after 0800 usually were close to around 80% patronage, with many getting off at Warabrook for the Uni, then Hamilton where change to Sydney trains were the next level of numbers.

ATM, the trains still all run to normal TT's and mostly have a fair number of schoolies heading to the beach, but pre the tram and Covid, the trains had more passengers including schoolies and adults.

One of the stations that has few numbers is Metford, which the suburb of that name screamed out for a station, even in peak times, max who get on are 6, maybe a couple more when uni is open.  The busiest stations are Victoria St, Thornton, then Beresfield & Warabrook.  

The aspect that should be pushed is the need perhaps for a Singleton service and promotion of the Branxton area which is growing quite a bit from the new estates on the Cessnock side of the station, but there is also a degree of new estates on the other side as well, but more rural blocks.  In saying that the longer distance service to MBK should do the job.
a6et

Probably true, and post COVID it would appear all commuter services will be running reduced patronage for probably years to come as working from home has become culturalised as normal. Likely we will see state govts defer PT and major road infrastructure spending in coming budgets as the actual fall out on commuter levels becomes better understood towards the end of 2021.

However I think its fairly clear that END and XPL cars will be kept even if in storage for potential usage and/or support growth as needed for sometime yet. IF I was a NSW taxpayer I would be objecting to complete mothballing/scrap/sale of the END/XPL fleets which still have some life left in them over buying more CAF sets for this reason. Further CAF purchases could be considered beyond 2025.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Vinelander, you should park the political attitude especially when you are completely wrong.


The question about are there enough trains is more for the inter urban fleet. I haven't counted the As the XPL/END fleet is less than 30 years old, I would expect that these trains could be retained as needed as gap fillers and growth on the interurban network for a few years to come. Additional trains could then be ordered in due course without fear of leaving the existing network short of rolling stock.  

I read somewhere recently that the Endeavours will be kept for use on the Hunter line and so maybe there maybe an expansion of hunter line services or possibly more 4 car services.
Sims, I cannot see that based on pre Covid patronage on the Hunter lines that there is a need for more services up here ATM, currently and pre Covid there were 4 trains per hour between 0700 -0800 from Victoria St,  then 3 trains between 0800 & 0900 all to Wickham.  The services a split between limited stops and all stations services, the later being 3 minutes longer than the limited stops services.
Pre Covid the services in the 0700 - 0800 services along with the first one just after 0800 usually were close to around 80% patronage, with many getting off at Warabrook for the Uni, then Hamilton where change to Sydney trains were the next level of numbers.

ATM, the trains still all run to normal TT's and mostly have a fair number of schoolies heading to the beach, but pre the tram and Covid, the trains had more passengers including schoolies and adults.

One of the stations that has few numbers is Metford, which the suburb of that name screamed out for a station, even in peak times, max who get on are 6, maybe a couple more when uni is open.  The busiest stations are Victoria St, Thornton, then Beresfield & Warabrook.  

The aspect that should be pushed is the need perhaps for a Singleton service and promotion of the Branxton area which is growing quite a bit from the new estates on the Cessnock side of the station, but there is also a degree of new estates on the other side as well, but more rural blocks.  In saying that the longer distance service to MBK should do the job.

Probably true, and post COVID it would appear all commuter services will be running reduced patronage for probably years to come as working from home has become culturalised as normal. Likely we will see state govts defer PT and major road infrastructure spending in coming budgets as the actual fall out on commuter levels becomes better understood towards the end of 2021.

However I think its fairly clear that END and XPL cars will be kept even if in storage for potential usage and/or support growth as needed for sometime yet. IF I was a NSW taxpayer I would be objecting to complete mothballing/scrap/sale of the END/XPL fleets which still have some life left in them over buying more CAF sets for this reason. Further CAF purchases could be considered beyond 2025.
RTT_Rules
While I am unlikely to see it, I would not be surprised as the current round of Endeavours come towards life ends, & along with talk of sparking to Bomaderry sometime in the future, likewise the Southern Highlands to Moss Vale, would the cost or replacing the endeavours by Sparking the line to Telerah cost much more than than replacing the Endeavours?

Given the Telerah services run hourly in some of the off peak, they are mainly there to connect with the line to Sydney, with the line sparked more direct services to Maitland could actually increase patronage more than the current system.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

While I am unlikely to see it, I would not be surprised as the current round of Endeavours come towards life ends, & along with talk of sparking to Bomaderry sometime in the future, likewise the Southern Highlands to Moss Vale, would the cost or replacing the endeavours by Sparking the line to Telerah cost much more than than replacing the Endeavours?

Given the Telerah services run hourly in some of the off peak, they are mainly there to connect with the line to Sydney, with the line sparked more direct services to Maitland could actually increase patronage more than the current system.
a6et

Telarah suffers from the same problem the southern highlands line does which is that it is under the control of the ARTC. Overhead electrification isn't going to happen but maybe a battery powered electric train or even a hydrogen train might be a future possibility.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
While I am unlikely to see it, I would not be surprised as the current round of Endeavours come towards life ends, & along with talk of sparking to Bomaderry sometime in the future, likewise the Southern Highlands to Moss Vale, would the cost or replacing the endeavours by Sparking the line to Telerah cost much more than than replacing the Endeavours?

Given the Telerah services run hourly in some of the off peak, they are mainly there to connect with the line to Sydney, with the line sparked more direct services to Maitland could actually increase patronage more than the current system.
a6et
Agree. Considering the number of END/XPL cars available for the next few years, it would madness to fund high cost capital spending in OH for lightly used passenger rail services.

So run these into the ground and by the late 2020's we can consider sparking certain routes as part of the capital replace equation costs. ie EL + O/H + energy costs vs DMU + energy costs.

I know Sim's has an issue with OH over ARTC tracks, but provided there are no physical barriers provided, current and future ARTC services are not compromised. But yes like Sim's has indicated, by then there maybe alternative and cheaper means of powering trains in marginal sparked routes and its for this reason I don't think OH will ever reach Bombaderry and unlikely to proceed on the Hunter corridor, not sure about South Main.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
It isn't my opinion it is facts. Seymour, Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo would all be covered by double decker electrics if they were in NSW.
simstrain
That's a bold statement !n

Electrification of NSW lines to Lithgow, Port Kembla and Brordmedow (Newcastle) would of had more to do with running electric hauled freight trains over the heavily graded tracks encountered on these lines, passenger trains became a great beneficiary of this development and today (after electric freight has long ceased) carries on "as the way we do things"  

The question could be asked why was the Warragul - Traralgon line de-electrified (and later Pakenham - Warragul)
The answer Is the line was electrified (to Yallourn as well) for the projected mass haul of brown coal briquettes to Melbourne, though the amount of briquette traffic was never realized and what briquette traffic there was, It started to freefall from the 1970's onwards (due to the rollout of natural gas)
By the time of the mid 1980's the fright  traffic on the Traralgon line had greatly dropped off (since the 1960's) passenger trains weren't really that frequent, the overhead electric equipment and electric locomotives was worn out and In need of replacement.

Around the same time brand new diesel electric locomotives were been Introduced (more than adequate to serve the Traralgon line's needs)
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

It isn't a bold statement it is facts. Maybe it was done initially for electric coal haulage but passenger services took advantage of such and we still have the overhead being used 100% by passenger rail services in 2021. The electric loco's struggled with pulling coal in any case up these grades because of the outdated overhead infrastructure at the time but had no such issue with passenger services.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Not a bold statement at all. Regardless of whatever the overhead was originally built for it is still there and still providing passenger services in 2021. Get back to me on the Vline regional rail is superior when you have electric trains running to these 4 destinations and also when Mildura has a rail service. Until then any claims that vline is years ahead of Sydney is just a fluff piece and victorian propoganda.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It isn't my opinion it is facts. Seymour, Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo would all be covered by double decker electrics if they were in NSW.
That's a bold statement !n

Electrification of NSW lines to Lithgow, Port Kembla and Brordmedow (Newcastle) would of had more to do with running electric hauled freight trains over the heavily graded tracks encountered on these lines, passenger trains became a great beneficiary of this development and today (after electric freight has long ceased) carries on "as the way we do things"  

The question could be asked why was the Warragul - Traralgon line de-electrified (and later Pakenham - Warragul)
The answer Is the line was electrified (to Yallourn as well) for the projected mass haul of brown coal briquettes to Melbourne, though the amount of briquette traffic was never realized and what briquette traffic there was, It started to freefall from the 1970's onwards (due to the rollout of natural gas)
By the time of the mid 1980's the fright  traffic on the Traralgon line had greatly dropped off (since the 1960's) passenger trains weren't really that frequent, the overhead electric equipment and electric locomotives was worn out and In need of replacement.

Around the same time brand new diesel electric locomotives were been Introduced (more than adequate to serve the Traralgon line's needs)
Nightfire
So in the 80's when NSW and Qld were expanding the electrified networks for passenger, Vic made the decision rather to upgrade the OH to Traragalon, but to close it.

As you have indicated, the terrain within a 200km radius of Sydney impacts heavily on transit time and cost for upgrade. Meanwhile most of Vic is flat.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Get back to me on the Vline regional rail is superior when you have electric trains running to these 4 destinations and also when Mildura has a rail service. Until then any claims that vline is years ahead of Sydney is just a fluff piece and victorian propoganda.
simstrain

I AM getting back to you about V/Line being years ahead of NSWGR or whatever it is at this point in time.

Victoria, by any comprison with NSW operates a higher frequency of services.

An example...as you want to mention Mildura so much and a comparison with...say Dubbo:


Sydney to Dubbo - 390Km.

https://transportnsw.info/documents/timetables/94-427-Western-NSW-20200524.pdf

Oh look...ONE service a day Exclamation


Melbourne to Mildura - 577Km.

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/b48ff18d-2e8e-4d75-99c4-b2ee9fbb7903/Mildura-Melbourne-(via-Swan-Hill-and-Bendigo)

AND

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/17ac6274-5c5b-4e0d-b5ec-939a84468067/Mildura-Melbourne-(via-Donald-Maryborough-and-Bal)

Oh look...up to FIVE services a day on at least two routes Exclamation

It seems to me that NSW has some catching up to do when it comes to operating regional services and their frequency.

And a plug for V/Line which has used the same trading name, a brand that's known throughout the state for nearly 40 years, not some random name that changes every time there's a new departmental head or a new minister.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V/Line



Now let's also compare Sydney to Albury with Melbourne to Albury.

https://transportnsw.info/documents/timetables/94-621-Southern-NSW-20190907.pdf

Oh look...TWO services a day.

Melbourne to Albury

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/a3a527fe-59e7-469a-b3c5-b37454aa1458/Albury-Wodonga-Melbourne-(via-Wangaratta-Benalla)

Well look here...FIVE services a day Exclamation

My case stands.


Mike.

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