Sydney - Adelaide Scheduled Freight Services

 
Topic moved from Railpage Australia™ by bevans on 24 Jan 2021 21:14
  tsv555 Beginner

Are there any scheduled Sydney-Adelaide Freighters? From what I have seen of the ARTC timetable it would seem not.

It's hard to believe there is not enough freight between our largest and fifth largest Cities to merit a regular service, especially when there is a pretty good standard line connecting them.

I am sure there were regular Super Freighter services during the 90's.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There are indeed scheduled trains between Sydney and Adelaide but also between NSW and SA in the form of GX1 services (SCT Intermodal between SA and Parkes).  You will also find steel trains NY/YN running too.

https://www.artc.com.au/uploads/MTP_2021-01-03_NSW-SA-200.pdf

There are also BA/AB Brisbane to Adelaide and vv services.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Are there any scheduled Sydney-Adelaide Freighters? From what I have seen of the ARTC timetable it would seem not.

It's hard to believe there is not enough freight between our largest and fifth largest Cities to merit a regular service, especially when there is a pretty good standard line connecting them.

I am sure there were regular Super Freighter services during the 90's.
tsv555
There were Sydney - Adelaide Superfreighters in the 1980/90s era.
IIRC there were at least two a week and they ran via Broken Hill. For some reason I have Tuesday and Saturday ex Sydney (3 or 7SA1 ????) in mind but don't count on that as being reliable.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Are there any scheduled Sydney-Adelaide Freighters? From what I have seen of the ARTC timetable it would seem not.

It's hard to believe there is not enough freight between our largest and fifth largest Cities to merit a regular service, especially when there is a pretty good standard line connecting them.

I am sure there were regular Super Freighter services during the 90's.
There were Sydney - Adelaide Superfreighters in the 1980/90s era.
IIRC there were at least two a week and they ran via Broken Hill. For some reason I have Tuesday and Saturday ex Sydney (3 or 7SA1 ????) in mind but don't count on that as being reliable.
YM-Mundrabilla
Is loading for SP and or PS services brought up from Adelaide for attach/detach, say at Solomontown?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I think XG/GX services between Goobang Junction (Parkes) and Port Germein I think it is.

Loading Perth to Parkes is taken off at Port Germein and transferred to a service between there and Parkes.

Loading for Adelaide/Parkes is worked to Port Germein from Adelaide.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

I think XG/GX services between Goobang Junction (Parkes) and Port Germein I think it is.

Loading Perth to Parkes is taken off at Port Germein and transferred to a service between there and Parkes.

Loading for Adelaide/Parkes is worked to Port Germein from Adelaide.
bevans
Thanks Bevans.
Port Germein makes more sense as going into Solomontown would mean a time consuming reverse.
If ones cares to take a look at Port Germein on Google Maps, one can see what appears to be a shunt taking place. Have a look at the train off the end of Seymour Rd.
  CPH8 Locomotive Driver

The 1993 Commonwealth Railways WTT shows Superfreighter AS6 dep Islington Freight Terminal as it was known then at 2000 Mon to Thu. On Fri 6AB6 Superfreighter dep Islington Freight Terminal at 2130.

In the reverse direction 7SA5 Superfreighter arrived Islington 0404 on Mon, 2SA5 arr Islington 0436 Wed, 3SA5 arr Islington 0545 Thu, 4SA5 arr Islington 0545 Fri, 5SA5 arr Islington 0545 Sat
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Sort of coming back to me.

Back in the days there were three principal and one conditional westbound freight services from Sydney. They were:
  • 1261 principally Adelaide
  • 1263 WA
  • 1265 WA
  • There was also 1259 which took overflow at busy times and had the potential to provide the quickest service with some fancy footwork at Peterborough and Port Pirie.
All, of course, ran via Broken Hill.

In the best traditions of what I will call the 'NSWGR' days of operation, origin locations, loading conveyed and destinations served were infinitely flexible on a daily basis. The above trains connected with Australian National (and the WAGR) to provide an excellent and reliable service from NSW to both Adelaide and Perth.

Those were the days when the railways involved (NSWGR, AN and the WAGR) provided services that were far more flexible than the more regimented schedules offered today.

Not saying that services today do not meet customer requirements but operations in those days were 'a lot more fun and things didn't just happen day in and day out'!Laughing
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
And what has become of those services now?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
And what has become of those services now?
bevans

Seriously dude get with the program!!

Those train numbers haven't been used for around 40 years. Different numbering system toady, different track owner, different operators, and the trains are about twice as long today.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
And what has become of those services now?
bevans
Good bloody question.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
And what has become of those services now?
Good bloody question.
YM-Mundrabilla

It's a silly question really.

There are more frequent and bigger services to the west today than back then.

The original SA/AS question has more or less already been answered above.
  tsv555 Beginner

Thanks all for the info, very interesting.

Seems a long way to backtrack from Port Germein to the Crystal Brook junction. Given the amount being spent on the Inland Rail Project I would have thought the Government could have afforded to build a decent siding near Crystal Brook to save doing this.

On the subject of the Inland Rail Project does anyone know the completion date? I thought I read 2025 somewhere but given they have only finished one section, which was only an upgrade, I don't believe it will be open that soon.

Regarding the BNE-ADL Freight services are they running via Broken Hill and if not why not? I've seen a Video of one PN service running via MEL for some reason.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Thanks all for the info, very interesting.

Seems a long way to backtrack from Port Germein to the Crystal Brook junction. Given the amount being spent on the Inland Rail Project I would have thought the Government could have afforded to build a decent siding near Crystal Brook to save doing this.
tsv555
It was SCT who weighed up all the options and decided that marshalling their trains at Port Germein was the best option, not the government.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Thanks all for the info, very interesting.

........

Regarding the BNE-ADL Freight services are they running via Broken Hill and if not why not? I've seen a Video of one PN service running via MEL for some reason.
tsv555

The twice weekly AB/BA services run via Broken Hill.

At times in the past they have run via Melbourne. Pathing, crewing, loading, can all have an impact on routeing.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
With frequent services between Melbourne/Sydney and Melbourne/Adelaide/Perth, intermodal loading for Adelaide would probably be better going via Melbourne, and attached to either MA or MP services, rather than direct as an SA/AS service.  Any Perth freight freight from Sydney, would be travelling on SP/PS services. The hard part is pathing, and crews. Obviously, if there was sufficient demand for a an AS/SA service, it would be created.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

With frequent services between Melbourne/Sydney and Melbourne/Adelaide/Perth, intermodal loading for Adelaide would probably be better going via Melbourne, and attached to either MA or MP services, rather than direct as an SA/AS service.  Any Perth freight freight from Sydney, would be travelling on SP/PS services. The hard part is pathing, and crews. Obviously, if there was sufficient demand for a an AS/SA service, it would be created.
witsend
Don't forget the Adelaide-Brisbane trains, which are probably more honestly described as Adelaide-Sydney and Sydney-Brisbane trains with a connection.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Why didn't SCT go further along to Spencer Junction rather than do marshalling at Port G?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Why didn't SCT go further along to Spencer Junction rather than do marshalling at Port G?
ANR
SCT will have their reasons based upon their homework.
Who 'owns' Spencer Junction Yard - a competitor or just some other hard to get on with/greedy operator?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Why didn't SCT go further along to Spencer Junction rather than do marshalling at Port G?
SCT will have their reasons based upon their homework.
Who 'owns' Spencer Junction Yard - a competitor or just some other hard to get on with/greedy operator?
YM-Mundrabilla
High tack access cost probably prevented/prevents SCT from accessing the most logical former AN yards.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Why didn't SCT go further along to Spencer Junction rather than do marshalling at Port G?
SCT will have their reasons based upon their homework.
Who 'owns' Spencer Junction Yard - a competitor or just some other hard to get on with/greedy operator?
High tack access cost probably prevented/prevents SCT from accessing the most logical former AN yards.
Nightfire
Nope. Spencer Junction Yard is not a "logical former AN yard" for SCT because it would restrict them to 1500m long trains, so they would never have bothered trying to start access negotiations with OneRail.

The marshalling operations at Port Germein are fairly simple train splits/joins, not complex operations needing a massive yard that can be seen from space. They only needed to fund the construction of a headshunt and an additional half-length siding with no land acquisition needed, it's reasonably close to Crystal Brook, they don't have to worry about working around other users (no grain silos there) and it has excellent road access for any personnel needing to travel up from Adelaide.

Seems like a pretty good setup to me for what I'm sure they hope is a temporary arrangement, as the ideal scenario would be to have enough loading for full length trains. Good pragmatic work by a company far more interested in getting on with the job than indulging gunzels.

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