Table Top Crossing Loop - Removal

 
  Campaspe 2 Junior Train Controller

Thanks Fatty.

I believe that the extension of the sidings at the Ettamogah Rail Hub will be commissioned in early to mid March 2021 during an ARTC maintenance shutdown (Not sure of the exact date). Its great to see the investment in the rail hub.

Kind Regards

Campaspe

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  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Thanks Fatty for taking the time to check out Table Top. I appreciate the feedback. Interesting that they didn't remove both turnouts - just the one at the Albury end. Did they remove any signals?

Would you be able to take a photo of the remains of the loop and post it?

Thanks again.

Kind Regards

Campaspe
Campaspe 2
Here's a video through Table Top taken this week. Sorry about the shakiness!

https://anonfiles.com/p4xaVdU8pf/tt_small_mp4
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for sharing.  What is the loop to the left once you pass the disused table top loop?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thanks Fatty for taking the time to check out Table Top. I appreciate the feedback. Interesting that they didn't remove both turnouts - just the one at the Albury end. Did they remove any signals?

Would you be able to take a photo of the remains of the loop and post it?

Thanks again.

Kind Regards

Campaspe
Here's a video through Table Top taken this week. Sorry about the shakiness!

https://anonfiles.com/p4xaVdU8pf/tt_small_mp4
Fatty
My antivirus and firewall protections are going absolutely crazy with this website - any way you might put it on google drive or something else that my IT systems might find more attractive?
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Will the new Etamogah allow trains to cross? What is standing room in the "loop"?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
My antivirus and firewall protections are going absolutely crazy with this website - any way you might put it on google drive or something else that my IT systems might find more attractive?
james.au

http://dams.omni.com.au:8080/razuna/assets/2/F58E59758AF44C64A0C59FEB07A2A453/vid/E6BEB157DD37409ABF093C17DC56ED5C/HeresavideoofTableToptakeninthelastweek.mp4
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney

http://dams.omni.com.au:8080/razuna/assets/2/F58E59758AF44C64A0C59FEB07A2A453/vid/E6BEB157DD37409ABF093C17DC56ED5C/HeresavideoofTableToptakeninthelastweek.mp4
bevans

The north end points have an associated catchpoints to allow shunting on the "loop" while main line trains pass by. The video does not  show the south end points.

The signals in and out of the loop siding have main line signals.

The video does not show if the points into the sidings are power worked or ground frame worked.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thanks Fatty for taking the time to check out Table Top. I appreciate the feedback. Interesting that they didn't remove both turnouts - just the one at the Albury end. Did they remove any signals?

Would you be able to take a photo of the remains of the loop and post it?

Thanks again.

Kind Regards

Campaspe
Here's a video through Table Top taken this week. Sorry about the shakiness!

https://anonfiles.com/p4xaVdU8pf/tt_small_mp4
Fatty
Thanks Fatty.  I feel like i want to see more of the run down into Albury and across the bridge now Wink
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Thanks for sharing.  What is the loop to the left once you pass the disused table top loop?
bevans
The start of the newly extended Ettamogah loop.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The video does not show if the points into the sidings are power worked or ground frame worked.
WimbledonW

The points into the siding are in place but there's no equipment installed to operate them yet. I'm wondering if the existing switch-lock gear will be transferred to the new points during commissioning.

Will the new Etamogah allow trains to cross? What is standing room in the "loop"?

WimbledonW

Roughly 3500m between signals.
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Will the new Etamogah allow trains to cross? What is standing room in the "loop"?


Roughly 3500m between signals.
Fatty

This is presumably this is measured between the opposing home signals.

The loop length is measured between the opposing starting signals, perhaps some 1000m less or 2500m?

What are the speeds pf the principal main-loop points? Old 55 at South end (new for loop extension to 900m) has a 50km/h (X50) speedboard. See photo.

Former 51 points at north end may still be 25km/h (X25).
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Loop lengths are traditionally measured between fouling points.
Signalled loops are measured between departure signals as suggested by WimbledonW (above).
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

This is presumably this is measured between the opposing home signals.
WimbledonW
Seriously? Why would I measure a crossing loop like that? You reckon I'm an idiot?
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Loop lengths are traditionally measured between fouling points.
Signalled loops are measured between departure signals as suggested by WimbledonW (above).
YM-Mundrabilla
No s**t. Thanks for pointing out the bleeding obvious.
  Campaspe 2 Junior Train Controller

Hello Fatty,

Thank you so much for going to the trouble of filming and then loading the video of the Table Top Loop (and the approach). This is fantastic and I found very informative.

Also, thanks Bevans for loading a version that was more friendly to the anti-virus software - given my rather limited IT skills I also had a bit of difficulty loading the original (my issue really and not the original video!).

Fatty, I was wondering if you could do one more video (if possible). I was rather interested in what (if anything) remains at Kinloss Loop that was located on the southern side of the Thurgoona Road overpass.

Thanks again Fatty.

Kind Regards

Campaspe
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Fatty, I was wondering if you could do one more video (if possible). I was rather interested in what (if anything) remains at Kinloss Loop that was located on the southern side of the Thurgoona Road overpass.
Campaspe 2

There's not a lot there but I'll see what I can do next time I'm there in daylight hours.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Thx to both of you for making the video available top stuff. More would be fantastic please.
  Campaspe 2 Junior Train Controller

Thank you Fatty.

Kind Regards

Campaspe
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

Will the new Etamogah allow trains to cross? What is standing room in the "loop"?


Roughly 3500m between signals.
I measured this today and my result was 3314 metres.
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney

Will the new Etamogah allow trains to cross? What is standing room in the "loop"?


Roughly 3500m between signals.I measured this today and my result was 3314 metres.
Fatty

But between which signals?
* Distants?
* Home?
* Starting?
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

Will the new Etamogah allow trains to cross? What is standing room in the "loop"?


Roughly 3500m between signals.I measured this today and my result was 3314 metres.
But between which signals?
* Distants?
* Home?
* Starting?
WimbledonW
Rolling Eyes
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik

Will the new Etamogah allow trains to cross? What is standing room in the "loop"?


Roughly 3500m between signals.I measured this today and my result was 3314 metres.
But between which signals?
* Distants?
* Home?
* Starting?
WimbledonW
Standing room is standing room; usually between signals in signalled territory otherwise between fouling points. We have been over this before.
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Standing room is standing room; usually between STARTING (?) signals in signalled territory otherwise between fouling points. We have been over this before.
YM-Mundrabilla
If the distance is between STARTING signals, then this is much longer than a "simple" 1800m IR loop. But 3400m is much less than for a PASSING LANE. It is UNHELPFUL to quote the Signals without saying exactly which signals are involved. This matter has yet to be resolved. There is no "unhelpful" button. Sad

Eventually the new diagram for Ettamogah will be issued and more will be made clear.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
What is an IR loop (as distinct from any other loop)?
I am at a loss to see the point of this thread.
A crossing loop may be a long as a 'piece of string'. A so called passing lane is only a long crossing loop.
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
What is an IR loop (as distinct from any other loop)?
I am at a loss to see the point of this thread.
A crossing loop may be a long as a 'piece of string'. A so called passing lane is only a long crossing loop.
YM-Mundrabilla

Inland Rail trains will be up to 1800m long, and simple crossing loops should be a little bit longer, say 1850m.

An extra long loop, say 3400m, may allow "simultaneous arrivals". It may also put the turnouts on straight track.

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