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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The Hove crossing project has finally been put out of its misery and cancelled in the state budget.

I believe this is a good decision. It's not a black spot crossing, the locals don't want it, it's not going to make a genuine improvement to either rail or road. Spend the money elsewhere.

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  DrJames Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
The Hove crossing project has finally been put out of its misery and cancelled in the state budget.

I believe this is a good decision. It's not a black spot crossing, the locals don't want it, it's not going to make a genuine improvement to either rail or road. Spend the money elsewhere.
justapassenger

Somewhat ironic that promising NOT to build something is going to win votes moreso than building it Laughing
  Yappo Locomotive Fireman

The Hove crossing project has finally been put out of its misery and cancelled in the state budget.

I believe this is a good decision. It's not a black spot crossing, the locals don't want it, it's not going to make a genuine improvement to either rail or road. Spend the money elsewhere.
justapassenger
Given that the project cost had increased by $100m late last year to a $270m total estimate then that money is definately better spent slewhere such as with upgrading stations on other lines.

Not that the state budget annoucement of a pathetic $10m a year to upgrade stations does that.

Not that I am an advocate for the project, but one can foresee that the Feds would want to fund the SAGovs $120m shortfall given that Boothby is a marginal seat on 1.4% and the new candidate will want to raise her profile.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Given that the project cost had increased by $100m late last year to a $270m total estimate then that money is definately better spent slewhere such as with upgrading stations on other lines.

Not that the state budget annoucement of a pathetic $10m a year to upgrade stations does that.

Not that I am an advocate for the project, but one can foresee that the Feds would want to fund the SAGovs $120m shortfall given that Boothby is a marginal seat on 1.4% and the new candidate will want to raise her profile.
Yappo
Why would the federal government want to give the opposition a free kick in Boothby by doing that?

If it was actually about the money it would have been cancelled 2-3 years ago, instead of leaving it festering away until killing it off in the pre-election budget.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I like the idea of a cut and cover Glen Osmond to Richmond and an interchange there.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
The Hove crossing project has finally been put out of its misery and cancelled in the state budget.

I believe this is a good decision. It's not a black spot crossing, the locals don't want it, it's not going to make a genuine improvement to either rail or road. Spend the money elsewhere.
justapassenger
They should have built the hove level crossing removal project as a road over rail flyover. No groundwater issues, no long ugly viaduct, no challenging earthworks, and little residential property acquisition required.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The Hove crossing project has finally been put out of its misery and cancelled in the state budget.

I believe this is a good decision. It's not a black spot crossing, the locals don't want it, it's not going to make a genuine improvement to either rail or road. Spend the money elsewhere.
They should have built the hove level crossing removal project as a road over rail flyover. No groundwater issues, no long ugly viaduct, no challenging earthworks, and little residential property acquisition required.
Gayspie
I think you will find the road overpass option was bigger and uglier than the rail overpass option, and required more property acquisition.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The Hove crossing project has finally been put out of its misery and cancelled in the state budget.

I believe this is a good decision. It's not a black spot crossing, the locals don't want it, it's not going to make a genuine improvement to either rail or road. Spend the money elsewhere.
justapassenger
Don't agree with you Justpax.

Just schedule the trains without delays by the crossing and arranging spaces for the gates to be up and see what the residents think. During peak time the gates will never be up.

The rail over road was the best option and allowed a train service to be maintained through the works.

I used to live near the Hove crossing (Addison Road) and think the locals opposing the rail over road approach are a load of nimbys. Those pushing for a rail under road approach were not there when the South West Drainage scheme put a big drain under the crossing nor were they there when water would flood up to your front doorstep. As for the "locals", they don't want anything.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
There are two relatively cheap ways to alleviate delays at this crossing:

1:  move the down platform to the other side of Brighton Road (like Seacliff)
2:  stopping down trains at Hove do not trip the crossing before the station, rather the driver must specifically trigger the crossing - similarly up trains at Unley Park and Clarence Park and down trains at Coromandel.    No doubt there are other crossings immediately before level crossings.   If aircraft pilots can turn on runway lights from the aircraft there is no reason train drivers couldn't be able to trigger level crossings from the cab.

Even cheaper:

Abolish Hove altogether.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

There are two relatively cheap ways to alleviate delays at this crossing:

1:  move the down platform to the other side of Brighton Road (like Seacliff)
2:  stopping down trains at Hove do not trip the crossing before the station, rather the driver must specifically trigger the crossing - similarly up trains at Unley Park and Clarence Park and down trains at Coromandel.    No doubt there are other crossings immediately before level crossings.   If aircraft pilots can turn on runway lights from the aircraft there is no reason train drivers couldn't be able to trigger level crossings from the cab.

Even cheaper:

Abolish Hove altogether.
kipioneer
Neil

Hove had a lot of school traffic, not sure about this year. Abolition would not be a good idea.
There is a certain irony in that while the line has been extended the number catching the train from closer in stations has declined. I have written before about the crowds that used to catch the train from Waradale.

I agree, there is no reason why drivers could not initiate the crossing sequence. Approaching a signal at caution in advance of the signal at the crossing would be viable, the technology is already there via the radio.

Ian
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Just schedule the trains without delays by the crossing and arranging spaces for the gates to be up and see what the residents think. During peak time the gates will never be up.
steam4ian
Good. That’s what they deserve.

Let some other area go to the front of the queue in the meantime.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
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I agree, there is no reason why drivers could not initiate the crossing sequence. Approaching a signal at caution in advance of the signal at the crossing would be viable, the technology is already there via the radio.

Ian
steam4ian
Hello Ian haven't seen you here for ages.

SO the driver would activate the level crossing after s/he has stopped at the station?
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
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I agree, there is no reason why drivers could not initiate the crossing sequence. Approaching a signal at caution in advance of the signal at the crossing would be viable, the technology is already there via the radio.

Ian
Hello Ian haven't seen you here for ages.

SO the driver would activate the level crossing after s/he has stopped at the station?
don_dunstan
Basically yes.

Assuming a 20 - 30 second station stop activate the crossing once stopped, then proceed when the boom arms are down and the absolute signal protecting the crossing clears.    If the wheelchair ramp is required then activate the crossing on returning to the cab.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Saw the following headline on the Advertiser tonight but I'm not a subscriber:

Commuters ‘left stranded as trains ordered to rush ahead’

Passengers are being left stuck on platforms because Adelaide’s privatised train drivers are skipping stops to save time, parliament has been told.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
There are two relatively cheap ways to alleviate delays at this crossing:

1:  move the down platform to the other side of Brighton Road (like Seacliff)
2:  stopping down trains at Hove do not trip the crossing before the station, rather the driver must specifically trigger the crossing - similarly up trains at Unley Park and Clarence Park and down trains at Coromandel.    No doubt there are other crossings immediately before level crossings.   If aircraft pilots can turn on runway lights from the aircraft there is no reason train drivers couldn't be able to trigger level crossings from the cab.

Even cheaper:

Abolish Hove altogether.
kipioneer
No. Hove gets a lot of school traffic as well as a decent amount of commuter traffic.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Neil

Hove had a lot of school traffic, not sure about this year. Abolition would not be a good idea.
There is a certain irony in that while the line has been extended the number catching the train from closer in stations has declined. I have written before about the crowds that used to catch the train from Waradale.

I agree, there is no reason why drivers could not initiate the crossing sequence. Approaching a signal at caution in advance of the signal at the crossing would be viable, the technology is already there via the radio.

Ian
steam4ian
The reason why the patronage at Warradale has declined dramatically is due to the close proximity of the relocated and upgraded Oaklands station. Warradale station should be closed for this reason alone.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Saw the following headline on the Advertiser tonight but I'm not a subscriber:

Commuters ‘left stranded as trains ordered to rush ahead’

Passengers are being left stuck on platforms because Adelaide’s privatised train drivers are skipping stops to save time, parliament has been told.
don_dunstan
It would be interesting to hear an objective account of the policies involved.

If it is that stops are being skipped because 5 minutes and 59 seconds is good but 6 minutes is bad, that's not on.

If it's a modern data-driven approach being used to minimise the overall delays and prevent the peak hour meltdowns of the Rail Commissioner days, that's good news.


Information is key. Keep people informed and they'll be happy with whatever is being done to make the best of the situation, leave them in the dark and they'll fill in the gaps themselves.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Passive provision for upgrading Richmond Road to a full interchange should be included, to allow for the possibility of Glen Osmond Road and Greenhill/Richmond Roads becoming the main link between the Adelaide-Crafers Highway and the NS Motorway.
justapassenger
The connection to Adelaide-Crafers is going to be problematic by any route as Richmond Rd/Greenhill Rd is rather narrow in the Richmond Rd section and also is at right angles to both major routes. Allowing for a short cut up Glen Osmond Rd, this road is again too narrow and would have too many problems with heritage listed properties and also the "moneyed people" with clout opposing it.
Cross Rd as an alternative is again too narrow in places with the other problems as mentioned in the Glen Osmond Rd option.
However, Grand Junction Rd is already capable of handling this connection with the works to upgrade GJR and Hampstead Rd intersection in progress now.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Glen Osmond Road is fine, it just needs to become a 24/7 clearway. That's a task that could be accomplished before COB the next day after the decision is made.

Richmond Road has quite narrow lanes and could do with being widened a bit, but there's space for that. There's a generous setback on both sides from Anzac Highway to Croydon Rd, and west of Croydon Road it's just the RAA offices which would be a problem as it's otherwise all DIT land along the northern side.

Portrush Road then turning left at Greenhill Road could be an alternative option for the freight corridor, with Glen Osmond Road prioritised as the passenger traffic route into the city. 24/7 clearway is needed either way.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Glen Osmond Road is fine, it just needs to become a 24/7 clearway. That's a task that could be accomplished before COB the next day after the decision is made.

Richmond Road has quite narrow lanes and could do with being widened a bit, but there's space for that. There's a generous setback on both sides from Anzac Highway to Croydon Rd, and west of Croydon Road it's just the RAA offices which would be a problem as it's otherwise all DIT land along the northern side.

Portrush Road then turning left at Greenhill Road could be an alternative option for the freight corridor, with Glen Osmond Road prioritised as the passenger traffic route into the city. 24/7 clearway is needed either way.
justapassenger
Burnside Village (Adelaide's answer to Chadstone - or trying to be at least) has conveniently cleared the whole row of shops from Portush road along Greenhill for that whole block. They bought and and demolished all those shops - none were really that heritage-worthy - about late 2019/early 2020 but I gather plans have stalled due to COVID. The SA Govt could acquire some of it for a future interchange while its available?

Any tunnel from Glen Osmond to Main South Road must necessarily include an interchange for the city, I guess the ideal place is Glen Osmond Rd X Greenhill Road.

We're talking about big $$$ given there's no money for the start of work on the other tunnels for another three years - this isn't Victoria, we don't have those rivers of cash from stamp duty or a big, big credit card like Dan apparently has. I'm not sure if Premier Marshall will be able to hold out the temptation to invite Transurban into our state given they're already an established monopoly on the three eastern seaboard capitals.
  gunzel42 Junior Train Controller

The first railcar of the next batch of 36 (12 x 3 car consists) arrived and was unloaded at Seaford yesterday.

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