SA border backlash as truckies threaten stockade, refuse to deliver to state

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 17 Jul 2021 12:20
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Incredible.  Have they no shame?

SA border backlash as truckies threaten stockade, refuse to deliver to state

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  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
I think what they're saying is fair enough: Who pays for them to wait five hours for a COVID19 test?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I think what they're saying is fair enough: Who pays for them to wait five hours for a COVID19 test?
don_dunstan

As opposed to people waiting 5 hours for a covid test in their car?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Someone should set up an intermodal at Serviceton or just send the lot by rail all the way through...
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I think what they're saying is fair enough: Who pays for them to wait five hours for a COVID19 test?

As opposed to people waiting 5 hours for a covid test in their car?
bevans
Not every time they need to cross a state line. For work.

Other essential workers required to be tested for work get it done at work and they don't sit in a queue for 5 hours for the privilege.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
There are people in Sydney who are being tested daily before they can attend work as an essential worker. The truck drivers should stop whinging it is inconvenient for everyone at the moment.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
There are people in Sydney who are being tested daily before they can attend work as an essential worker. The truck drivers should stop whinging it is inconvenient for everyone at the moment.
freightgate
Many of the drivers will be be self employed and time is money to people trying to pay off a 250K loan so they will simply decide not to cart into SA and take other jobs instead meaning that the freight may not get moved at all

We'll see who is doing the whinging then

My bet is that you and the rest of the RP "Trucks are evil" gang will be first in line!Laughing
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Someone should set up an intermodal at Serviceton or just send the lot by rail all the way through...
Carnot
Would be a great opportunity for Rail to shine. Traffic has been up since covid on some routes but I suspect that there is little to no spare motive power or rollingstock to get the freight task moving on rail

Too many years of decline and therefore not enough investment. If only "they" hadn't.......
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Someone should set up an intermodal at Serviceton or just send the lot by rail all the way through...
Would be a great opportunity for Rail to shine. Traffic has been up since covid on some routes but I suspect that there is little to no spare motive power or rollingstock to get the freight task moving on rail

Too many years of decline and therefore not enough investment. If only "they" hadn't.......
BrentonGolding
You may well be right BG but if what you surmise is true that there is no rolling stock or locomotives available to cater for any additional traffic it is a damning indictment upon the rail industry as a whole.

Gone are the days of running a train of KMQs Melbourne to Adelaide or diverting the Broken Hill - Port Pirie ore train via Melbourne at a day or two notice to meet customer needs.

I always preferred to be short of rolling stock rather than a surplus as with some fancy moves and the old world intersystem cooperation one could usually 'have ones cake and eat it too'.

Sorry, I forgot that was in the olden days rail when there was the will and a way.

No need to worry, however, as road will rise to the challenge ....................
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Someone should set up an intermodal at Serviceton or just send the lot by rail all the way through...
Would be a great opportunity for Rail to shine. Traffic has been up since covid on some routes but I suspect that there is little to no spare motive power or rollingstock to get the freight task moving on rail

Too many years of decline and therefore not enough investment. If only "they" hadn't.......
You may well be right BG but if what you surmise is true that there is no rolling stock or locomotives available to cater for any additional traffic it is a damning indictment upon the rail industry as a whole.
YM-Mundrabilla
Couldn't agree more YM, an indictment on not only the industry but on all levels of government in Australia, aside from the trucking industry, the only people who could possibly think that having huge fleets of trucks running around the nation instead of a better rail system and trucks doing the first and last mile tasks

No, rail has not been perfect in the past but in these supposedly enlightened times it should be the go to solution due to obvious environmental and social benefits
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

an indictment on not only the industry but on all levels of government in Australia, aside from the trucking industry, the only people who could possibly think that having huge fleets of trucks running around the nation instead of a better rail system and trucks doing the first and last mile tasks
BrentonGolding
But haven't you heard by now? Trucks bring 'efficiency' to the freight task.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
an indictment on not only the industry but on all levels of government in Australia, aside from the trucking industry, the only people who could possibly think that having huge fleets of trucks running around the nation instead of a better rail system and trucks doing the first and last mile tasks
But haven't you heard by now? Trucks bring 'efficiency' to the freight task.
Lockspike
If you own a big fleet of them they certainly bring 'efficiency' to your bank account Laughing
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Someone should set up an intermodal at Serviceton or just send the lot by rail all the way through...
Would be a great opportunity for Rail to shine. Traffic has been up since covid on some routes but I suspect that there is little to no spare motive power or rollingstock to get the freight task moving on rail

Too many years of decline and therefore not enough investment. If only "they" hadn't.......
You may well be right BG but if what you surmise is true that there is no rolling stock or locomotives available to cater for any additional traffic it is a damning indictment upon the rail industry as a whole.

Gone are the days of running a train of KMQs Melbourne to Adelaide or diverting the Broken Hill - Port Pirie ore train via Melbourne at a day or two notice to meet customer needs.

I always preferred to be short of rolling stock rather than a surplus as with some fancy moves and the old world intersystem cooperation one could usually 'have ones cake and eat it too'.

Sorry, I forgot that was in the olden days rail when there was the will and a way.

No need to worry, however, as road will rise to the challenge ....................
YM-Mundrabilla

....and interstate rail lost a million dollars of taxpayers money a day.

The only time the Pirie ore train was diverted via Melbourne was during the 1995 standardisation project and that wasn't done on a day or two's notice.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Someone should set up an intermodal at Serviceton or just send the lot by rail all the way through...
Would be a great opportunity for Rail to shine. Traffic has been up since covid on some routes but I suspect that there is little to no spare motive power or rollingstock to get the freight task moving on rail

Too many years of decline and therefore not enough investment. If only "they" hadn't.......
You may well be right BG but if what you surmise is true that there is no rolling stock or locomotives available to cater for any additional traffic it is a damning indictment upon the rail industry as a whole.

Gone are the days of running a train of KMQs Melbourne to Adelaide or diverting the Broken Hill - Port Pirie ore train via Melbourne at a day or two notice to meet customer needs.

I always preferred to be short of rolling stock rather than a surplus as with some fancy moves and the old world intersystem cooperation one could usually 'have ones cake and eat it too'.

Sorry, I forgot that was in the olden days rail when there was the will and a way.

No need to worry, however, as road will rise to the challenge ....................

....and interstate rail lost a million dollars of taxpayers money a day.

The only time the Pirie ore train was diverted via Melbourne was during the 1995 standardisation project and that wasn't done on a day or two's notice.
bingley hall
Thanks Bing.

Yes, that diversion was in the days of NR and was due to washaways on the Peterborough Division IIRC. Nevertheless, it did highlight one of the benefits of SG. There was a bit of a 'hoo-haa' at the time as to whether the ore wagons were accredited to run in Victoria. They were! Laughing

I have a vague recollection that a part ore rake also came via Victoria on one occasion but I am unsure of this. There were other diversions of WA traffic from NSW prior to NR via the bogie exchanges. They were hard work and a credit to all concerned.

I don't know how true it was but NR was supposed to be at more or less break-even when sold to Toll and Patrick. Might have been accounting licence, (otherwise known as spin). Smile
  8502 Assistant Commissioner


....and interstate rail lost a million dollars of taxpayers money a day.

The only time the Pirie ore train was diverted via Melbourne was during the 1995 standardisation project and that wasn't done on a day or two's notice.
bingley hall

Interstate Rail lost $millions?

In 2021 this is really in my opinion not the way to look at critical transport infrastructure and associated services. Road transport loses $billions per annum (not including carbon emissions etc which should be priced) and taxpayers are picking up the bill. Those subsidies would be I feel smaller on rail transport as a mode in the supply chain.

If I were asked as a taxpayer would I prefer to subsidise some rail or a lot of trucks I would say rail as I know if it better for the environment.  The days are over for saying rail "looses money" in isolation of burgeoning road transport costs.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

....and interstate rail lost a million dollars of taxpayers money a day.

The only time the Pirie ore train was diverted via Melbourne was during the 1995 standardisation project and that wasn't done on a day or two's notice.
Thanks Bing.

Yes, that diversion was in the days of NR and was due to washaways on the Peterborough Division IIRC. Nevertheless, it did highlight one of the benefits of SG. There was a bit of a 'hoo-haa' at the time as to whether the ore wagons were accredited to run in Victoria. They were! Laughing

I have a vague recollection that a part ore rake also came via Victoria on one occasion but I am unsure of this. There were other diversions of WA traffic from NSW prior to NR via the bogie exchanges. They were hard work and a credit to all concerned.

I don't know how true it was but NR was supposed to be at more or less break-even when sold to Toll and Patrick. Might have been accounting licence, (otherwise known as spin). Smile
YM-Mundrabilla

I do need to do some more research.... but AFAIK there were no ore trains diverted during the 1997 Olary washaway, the last major one I can remember. The ore was trucked to Mingary where a temporary load site was set up for the run to Pirie (using brand new NRs). I have the pics to prove it.

As you say, allowing fro accounting licence, NR was around break even when sold, but interstate rails was a million a day before NR.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

....and interstate rail lost a million dollars of taxpayers money a day.

The only time the Pirie ore train was diverted via Melbourne was during the 1995 standardisation project and that wasn't done on a day or two's notice.
Interstate Rail lost $millions?

In 2021 this is really in my opinion not the way to look at critical transport infrastructure and associated services. Road transport loses $billions per annum (not including carbon emissions etc which should be priced) and taxpayers are picking up the bill. Those subsidies would be I feel smaller on rail transport as a mode in the supply chain.

If I were asked as a taxpayer would I prefer to subsidise some rail or a lot of trucks I would say rail as I know if it better for the environment.  The days are over for saying rail "looses money" in isolation of burgeoning road transport costs.
8502

Different arguments......

Some of us have been arguing since the late 80s for governments to accept the hidden costs (losses) of road transport, so your suggestion is nothing new.

However this in itself does not justify the covering up of losses driven by gross inefficiencies, of which there were many in the years leading up to the formation of National Rail
  8502 Assistant Commissioner


Different arguments......

Some of us have been arguing since the late 80s for governments to accept the hidden costs (losses) of road transport, so your suggestion is nothing new.

However this in itself does not justify the covering up of losses driven by gross inefficiencies, of which there were many in the years leading up to the formation of National Rail
bingley hall

Now your argument is more about the way the system was managed and run focusing on organisational culture and management principles.  I would say that even with those issues and the importance of rail freight those losses would not have been much when you consider what the overall cost was.  Those costs have now been sunk permanently into a en ever increasing black hole called road maintenance and pollution on levels never experienced.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Interesting heading, LOL.

Isn't a stockade something you build to defend yourself, such as the Eureka Stockade at Ballarat?

I assume the OP meant blockade instead of stockade.   I can just imagine the truckies attempting to storm a stockade, with their Macks and Volvos.

Anyway a bit of a laugh is always a good thing for us at this time.

Happy wordsmithing,

John

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