50 level crossings to be removed

 
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Assuming our hypotheses above are correct, Progress St can be done at any time with no effect on the train line, and very little to no effect on anything else.  This is because the nearest works (apart from blocking off the LX after completion) will be 200+ metres away.

Once the new road is open, simply block off the level crossing and call it a job well done.

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@Lockie91 Pretty certain the Riversdale Road tram square is still there, so would add that to the list.

In addition I would close Ramsden Street and grade separate the remaining crossings on the Mernda line in one package.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

@Lockie91 Pretty certain the Riversdale Road tram square is still there, so would add that to the list.

In addition I would close Ramsden Street and grade separate the remaining crossings on the Mernda line in one package.
railblogger
I guess Rosneath St could handle traffic from Ramsden heading over and under the freeway. As for the rest of Mernda line, I assume you mean there Merri to Thornbury part which could be trenched/hybrid with Croxton dropped if Northcote moves north a bit, then Merri becomes an underground stop as part of a future metro 2. Can't see anything happening there though this decade.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Ideally the whole line but Merri-Thornbury would be a good start.
  Goose13 Station Master

Location: Having a sook about Southern cross's western wall
THE LEVEL CROSSING REMOVALS MUST FLOW
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
THE LEVEL CROSSING REMOVALS MUST FLOW
Goose13
He who controls the Level Crossing Removals, controls the Universe.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Yes, they must flow until there are none left, including pedestrian level crossings.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Yes, they must flow until there are none left, including pedestrian level crossings.
Myrtone
Depends what rail line you're talking about, do you think the Altona loop will be full segregated, that's pretty unlikely to happen even if we are feeling optimistic.

Remove all the notorious busy level crossing then think about how we'll handle the rest of them. Maybe more closures are needed for the remaining quieter ones.
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Found this on the LXRA website.

We're closing the level crossing at Progress Street, Dandenong South.

There have been five near misses at this crossing since 2012.

We’ll investigate opportunities for a new connection to the South Gippsland Highway.
LXRA
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/projects/progress-street-dandenong-south

"We'll Investigate opportunities...." Rolling Eyes

Point of interest: it was at the Progress St LX that a VLocity failed to activate the booms, leading to their temporary ban from the Metro network all those years agp.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Found this on the LXRA website.

We're closing the level crossing at Progress Street, Dandenong South.

There have been five near misses at this crossing since 2012.

We’ll investigate opportunities for a new connection to the South Gippsland Highway.
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/projects/progress-street-dandenong-south

"We'll Investigate opportunities...." Rolling Eyes

Point of interest: it was at the Progress St LX that a VLocity failed to activate the booms, leading to their temporary ban from the Metro network all those years agp.
Djebel

It would be interesting to find out what those near misses have been.

Progress St has boom barriers, but absolutely no provision whatsoever for pedestrians on either side of the road. Not a pedestrian footpath, not a crib crossing, not an automatic wicket gate. If, as a pedestrian, you want to cross the line you wander on the road side of the boom barriers, and crunch across the ballast or continue on the edge of the road. You can't wander around the other side of the boom barriers because there is a fence. I was more worried about being collected by a truck than a train when I visited.

To make matters even more fun for pedestrians, the north side booms are about 21 metres from the Down line. Between the booms and the operational line is the remnants of the old siding to International Harvester. So it'd be quite possible for any pedestrians to get stuck between the boom barrier and the line if a train approached - instant technical near miss.

You might say that pedestrians would be rare - the whole area is factory units. I would have too, but while I was there an older chap on foot passed over the crossing. Since he was wearing an Oz Post uniform, I'd assume he was walking from the bus stop on the Princess Hwy to the Oz post sorting centre. When the level crossing is closed, I'd assume his walk will get longer.
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
LXRP website has the South Gippsland Highway crossing officially closed from today with the new road bridge open for traffic, totalling 47 down.
Considering that two in the Chelsea area works have closed and are not being replaced, you could make the case for 49 down.

47 LX gone

Neil
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Found this on the LXRA website.

We're closing the level crossing at Progress Street, Dandenong South.

There have been five near misses at this crossing since 2012.

We’ll investigate opportunities for a new connection to the South Gippsland Highway.
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/projects/progress-street-dandenong-south

"We'll Investigate opportunities...." Rolling Eyes

Point of interest: it was at the Progress St LX that a VLocity failed to activate the booms, leading to their temporary ban from the Metro network all those years agp.

It would be interesting to find out what those near misses have been.

Progress St has boom barriers, but absolutely no provision whatsoever for pedestrians on either side of the road. Not a pedestrian footpath, not a crib crossing, not an automatic wicket gate. If, as a pedestrian, you want to cross the line you wander on the road side of the boom barriers, and crunch across the ballast or continue on the edge of the road. You can't wander around the other side of the boom barriers because there is a fence. I was more worried about being collected by a truck than a train when I visited.

To make matters even more fun for pedestrians, the north side booms are about 21 metres from the Down line. Between the booms and the operational line is the remnants of the old siding to International Harvester. So it'd be quite possible for any pedestrians to get stuck between the boom barrier and the line if a train approached - instant technical near miss.

You might say that pedestrians would be rare - the whole area is factory units. I would have too, but while I was there an older chap on foot passed over the crossing. Since he was wearing an Oz Post uniform, I'd assume he was walking from the bus stop on the Princess Hwy to the Oz post sorting centre. When the level crossing is closed, I'd assume his walk will get longer.
historian
No footpath from Princes Hwy, all the way to the end of the road at the post centre.  So it's not like the rail crossing is alone, or neglected there.

Presumably the pedestrian would catch the 892 instead of the 893 at Dandenong station.  Walk would be about the same distance from the bus stop.  If he's coming in from the other direction, change buses at South Gippsland Hwy/Princes Hwy, or walk the extra mile or so down from Princes Hwy.

Whatever, he's bloody keen to be doing that every day Laughing.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Yes, they must flow until there are none left, including pedestrian level crossings.
Myrtone
Incorrect. They must flow till Dan Andrews morphs into an immortal prescient grade separation that controls the entire human universe!
  historian Deputy Commissioner

No footpath from Princes Hwy, all the way to the end of the road at the post centre.  So it's not like the rail crossing is alone, or neglected there.

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Whatever, he's bloody keen to be doing that every day Laughing.
Djebel

Yes, no footpath along Progress St. However, Progress St is formed, with gutters and kerbs, and a wide grassy, mown area on both sides for safe walking. The only thing that's actually missing is the concrete path. That's completely different from requiring the pedestrian to walk on the roadway, or on ballast stepping over the rails, for 35 metres to cross the railway line.

This was not the only example around Dandenong. Abbotts Rd was the same before the grade separation, and Greens Rd is still the same.

My response was specifically to the LXRA comment about 'five near misses'. It's quite possible that these near misses were pedestrians attempting to cross the line at a crossing where they have never bothered to put in facilities for pedestrians. In fact, I'm struggling to think of a crossing that is more pedestrian unfriendly. I felt unsafe crossing the line there and I'm reasonably mobile.

Oh, and he might be 'keen'. Or he might have little choice - not everyone can drive and employers don't always give you a choice about where you work.
  Goose13 Station Master

Location: Having a sook about Southern cross's western wall
Found this on the LXRA website.

We're closing the level crossing at Progress Street, Dandenong South.

There have been five near misses at this crossing since 2012.

We’ll investigate opportunities for a new connection to the South Gippsland Highway.
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/projects/progress-street-dandenong-south

"We'll Investigate opportunities...." Rolling Eyes

Point of interest: it was at the Progress St LX that a VLocity failed to activate the booms, leading to their temporary ban from the Metro network all those years agp.

It would be interesting to find out what those near misses have been.

Progress St has boom barriers, but absolutely no provision whatsoever for pedestrians on either side of the road. Not a pedestrian footpath, not a crib crossing, not an automatic wicket gate. If, as a pedestrian, you want to cross the line you wander on the road side of the boom barriers, and crunch across the ballast or continue on the edge of the road. You can't wander around the other side of the boom barriers because there is a fence. I was more worried about being collected by a truck than a train when I visited.

To make matters even more fun for pedestrians, the north side booms are about 21 metres from the Down line. Between the booms and the operational line is the remnants of the old siding to International Harvester. So it'd be quite possible for any pedestrians to get stuck between the boom barrier and the line if a train approached - instant technical near miss.

You might say that pedestrians would be rare - the whole area is factory units. I would have too, but while I was there an older chap on foot passed over the crossing. Since he was wearing an Oz Post uniform, I'd assume he was walking from the bus stop on the Princess Hwy to the Oz post sorting centre. When the level crossing is closed, I'd assume his walk will get longer.
historian
You would think peds would be rare, but if your heading to the factories that side of the line from the bus stops its the only way. Had an interview there (I think two lockdowns ago) and did exactly the same thing.

(edit: and defiantly agree that it feels very how ya going crossing there)
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Progress at Preston with Crossheads installed and L beams arriving this month. House demolition along the rail corridor also underway now.

https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/publications/works-notice-overnight-deliveries-at-preston-station-in-august
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The precast crossheads and beams must be saving a tremendous amount of on-site time. The time it would take to erect formwork, tie rebar, pour and then wait until the concrete cured doesn't bear thinking about.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

The precast crossheads and beams must be saving a tremendous amount of on-site time. The time it would take to erect formwork, tie rebar, pour and then wait until the concrete cured doesn't bear thinking about.
Valvegear
It was the same at Reservoir 2 years ago. A lot of formwork to make the supports (around 142 I think) and then very quickly the crossheads and rail L beams lifted in a few weeks on each section overnights. It's only the Preston Station area getting the beams for now but they should be able to span Murray Road and up to Cramer street in the current works. I'm assuming after this they will work from the other end also and it might be single track running in 2022 for a while to prepare the supports above the track from Cramer st to Bell street on the new alignment to reduce the kink. I haven't been down to the Oakover end to see what progress is happening there.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Which level crossings do you think will be removed next?

https://the-iron-road.blogspot.com/2021/08/level-crossing-free-lines.html
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
According to an LXRP tweet they have actually reached 50% excavated on the Glenroy works, unlike the somewhat confusing claim of some weeks ago



Neil
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Which level crossings do you think will be removed next?

https://the-iron-road.blogspot.com/2021/08/level-crossing-free-lines.html
True Believers
Seat margins could be involved but i expect they would target the busiest lines that still have a lot of crossings.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Which level crossings do you think will be removed next?

https://the-iron-road.blogspot.com/2021/08/level-crossing-free-lines.html
True Believers
I do hate to be the one to rip a part someones blog.

The blog mentioned the LXRA framework, but doesn't seek to use it in the justification for which LX should be removed.

ACLM report is from 2008 and is skewed towards safety as it should be, it doesn't weigh the number of predicted services as much as it does safety. This is why crossings on the Alamein line rate highly as opposed to crossing on the Glen Waverley or Upfield Lines.

LXRA put more weight on the number of services per hour by 2026 to justifying a crossings removal, along with traffic on the road. More trains per hour, longer the boom gates are down, bigger impact on local traffic and amenity.

Craigieburn & Upfield Lines, the Northern Group post MM1 2025. These lines will take the capacity freed up by Sunbury coming out of the loop. If we split it evenly thats 12TPH or a train every 5 minutes in peak. (More plausible for Craigieburn than Upfield at this stage) The blog references that Essendon platform 1 is only used during service disruptions, MM1 Network Plan has Essendon being used as a turn back. During peak short starters will originate from Essendon, meaning Park Street, Puckle Street and Macaulay Road are going to see a lot more trains.

Similar on the Upfield Line, with V/Line services to run via Upfield post MM1. I cant see it needing 12TPH in the peak, probably closer to 6TPH, trains every 10 minutes. This pushes the inner section from Albion Street to Park Street up the list.

Same again for Newport to North Melbourne, services on the Werrbie line are set to increase in the short term as more and more houses are built out west.

Alamein unfortunately isn't slated for any major increase in services, same with Sandringham. Those crossing may rate high up on ACLMs list due to safety, but are not causing major traffic issues currently; nor will the in the medium term. If the Alamein Line was extended to a major trip generator (Chaddy) and justifies a 6TPH frequency the equation changes.

I'd look more closer at lines set to be boosted post MM1 for hints at where the last 15 will come from, along with where labor needs to shore up support.

Lockie
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Which level crossings do you think will be removed next?

https://the-iron-road.blogspot.com/2021/08/level-crossing-free-lines.html
True Believers
Out of the ones listed, I cannot see any on the Sandringham line being done due to it running through a bunch of generally highly safe liberal seats. Not really the political will to do so, unless they swing further towards labor. As for the Other crossings, I'd put the Alamein line's ones at the bottom of the list, due to its relatively short length and low patronage. Those 2 are in the no basket.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Isn't it worth removing the last set of tram squares from the network, agreed these are not the busiest, but would mean the Alamein line would be better operation and safety wise?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Isn't it worth removing the last set of tram squares from the network, agreed these are not the busiest, but would mean the Alamein line would be better operation and safety wise?
True Believers
Not to mention the number of times that trams have jumped tracks. A complete shambles when it happens.

It's often been mentioned that the LX replacements are in big part for the benefit of road traffic. That includes trams.

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