Shepparton pax rail

 
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Monday  05/10  Feds cucking in $ 300m and Victoria $ 80m =  $ 400m as a capex project over neext copule of years for stage 3 Shepparton Line upgrade , track upgrade to Class-2M Seymour to Shepparton allowing V/Locity to run at 130kmh and offering 2 hour journey time Melbourne to Shepparton . Will allow for further increase in service frequency . Will proceed partly in parallel or hard on heels of existing Stage 2 works. Class 2M track requires typically 53kg rail CWR on ideally concrete sleepers.
Federal Government Media Release - Deputy PM  Mon 05/10/20
kuldalai
Thanks kuldalai, has there been an upgrade in track class, thought it was going to be class-2 but you have specified class-2m ?
Also you mention 53kg rail, will this be added to the todo list and how much will be needed ?
The concrete sleeper situation, is there a plan on how or many where they will be used ?

Was thinking this sounds like an excellent upgrade but then thought it will mean that standardising the Goulburn Valley is going to get even further away, then engaged brain properly and all said and done, the containers from Toc go directly to port same as any grain so perhaps not so much of a big deal after all.

While the work force is at it, will there be any enhancements of the track beyond Shep ?

BigShunter.

hard on.....?....Shocked

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  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Looks like "Broad Gauge 4 Ever" on Tocumwal/Shepp/Deni lines.  Whatever happened to the Goulburn Valley Freight Study
Carnot
Missed opportunity.

Excess local focus on passenger service has ignored the freight potential here.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Looks like "Broad Gauge 4 Ever" on Tocumwal/Shepp/Deni lines.  Whatever happened to the Goulburn Valley Freight Study
Missed opportunity.

Excess local focus on passenger service has ignored the freight potential here.
james.au
It's about votes.  

Rail freight barely registers with the electorate, besides the State Govt is too caught up in a bun-fight with the Feds over money and rather reluctant to commit to much in this area after the MBRP fiasco...  It would be a whole different story if Inland Rail went via Tocumwal.

I wonder what the chances of gauge convertible concrete sleepers on the Shepp line are?  Pretty slim I would imagine.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Looks like "Broad Gauge 4 Ever" on Tocumwal/Shepp/Deni lines.  Whatever happened to the Goulburn Valley Freight Study
Missed opportunity.

Excess local focus on passenger service has ignored the freight potential here.
It's about votes.  

Rail freight barely registers with the electorate, besides the State Govt is too caught up in a bun-fight with the Feds over money and rather reluctant to commit to much in this area after the MBRP fiasco...  It would be a whole different story if Inland Rail went via Tocumwal.

I wonder what the chances of gauge convertible concrete sleepers on the Shepp line are?  Pretty slim I would imagine.
Carnot
Sadly, agreed.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
No money should be spent on anything outside to the Melbourne Metrop without taking standardisation into serious account even as a long term potential.
Sadly, the BG is to be protected/preserved/enshrined in every possible way as an eternal memorial to Victorian stupidity, short term planning and plain pig headedness.
The Feds should include potential standardisation as a condition of providing the money.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Monday  05/10  Feds cucking in $ 300m and Victoria $ 80m =  $ 400m as a capex project over neext copule of years for stage 3 Shepparton Line upgrade , track upgrade to Class-2M Seymour to Shepparton allowing V/Locity to run at 130kmh and offering 2 hour journey time Melbourne to Shepparton . Will allow for further increase in service frequency . Will proceed partly in parallel or hard on heels of existing Stage 2 works. Class 2M track requires typically 53kg rail CWR on ideally concrete sleepers.
Federal Government Media Release - Deputy PM  Mon 05/10/20
Thanks kuldalai, has there been an upgrade in track class, thought it was going to be class-2 but you have specified class-2m ?
Also you mention 53kg rail, will this be added to the todo list and how much will be needed ?
The concrete sleeper situation, is there a plan on how or many where they will be used ?

Was thinking this sounds like an excellent upgrade but then thought it will mean that standardising the Goulburn Valley is going to get even further away, then engaged brain properly and all said and done, the containers from Toc go directly to port same as any grain so perhaps not so much of a big deal after all.

While the work force is at it, will there be any enhancements of the track beyond Shep ?

BigShunter.

hard on.....?....Shocked
BigShunter
You raise another issue in that all country line tie renewals upgrades should now be using gauge convertible sleepers.
In days past these would just have been red gum or yellow box wood. Viz: 20 year life but gauge convertible within that time span.

These days we have moved over the last decade to inserting low profile concrete sleepers mixed in with wood on passenger lines and wood only on freight only tracks.

The extra cost involved in a gauge convertible sleeper either steel or concrete is marginal like $ 1 - 2 !!! per sleeper .   BUT V/Line refuse stubbornly to even trial low profile gauge convertible concrete sleepers which are readily available from Austrak at Avalon, and similarly with gauge convertible steel sleepers which are also readily available for use on freight only lines.
ARTC have recently inserted successfully steel sleepers between Yarrawonga and Oaklands (instead of wood) effectively locking in a lower maintenance cost model freight track. In the case of both the North West and Goulburn Valley lines all tie renewals and track class upgrades should be using on passenger lines gauge convertible concrete sleepers, and on freight only lines gauge convertible steel sleepers.  The cost of full standard gauge sleeper replacement and standardization in the longer term add substantally and disproportinately to the eventual standardization cost.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Looks like "Broad Gauge 4 Ever" on Tocumwal/Shepp/Deni lines.  Whatever happened to the Goulburn Valley Freight Study
Missed opportunity.

Excess local focus on passenger service has ignored the freight potential here.
james.au
Whilst there is freight potentail beyond Shepp the real freight potential is if Tocumwal - Naranderra were re-opened, thus creating a more direct link to Inland Rail and trans continental line, and direct rail freight access from MIA to ports at melbourne and Geelong .
In the best jealous Sate visions NSW did a study last that found re-opening Tocumwal -Naranderra did not stack up. But if we looked at it a joint State / Australian issue then upgrade of Goulburn Valley and full standardization and re-opening Naranderra - Tocumwal would no doubt stack up .
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
This is Excellent News, the best possible outcome for the state. And the Greatest Gauge in the history of this great nation Very Happy. Broad Gauge Shall Endure!
  skitz Chief Commissioner

Monday  05/10  Feds cucking in $ 300m and Victoria $ 80m =  $ 400m as a capex project over neext copule of years for stage 3 Shepparton Line upgrade , track upgrade to Class-2M Seymour to Shepparton allowing V/Locity to run at 130kmh and offering 2 hour journey time Melbourne to Shepparton . Will allow for further increase in service frequency . Will proceed partly in parallel or hard on heels of existing Stage 2 works. Class 2M track requires typically 53kg rail CWR on ideally concrete sleepers.
Federal Government Media Release - Deputy PM  Mon 05/10/20
Thanks kuldalai, has there been an upgrade in track class, thought it was going to be class-2 but you have specified class-2m ?
Also you mention 53kg rail, will this be added to the todo list and how much will be needed ?
The concrete sleeper situation, is there a plan on how or many where they will be used ?

Was thinking this sounds like an excellent upgrade but then thought it will mean that standardising the Goulburn Valley is going to get even further away, then engaged brain properly and all said and done, the containers from Toc go directly to port same as any grain so perhaps not so much of a big deal after all.

While the work force is at it, will there be any enhancements of the track beyond Shep ?

BigShunter.

hard on.....?....Shocked
You raise another issue in that all country line tie renewals upgrades should now be using gauge convertible sleepers.
In days past these would just have been red gum or yellow box wood. Viz: 20 year life but gauge convertible within that time span.

These days we have moved over the last decade to inserting low profile concrete sleepers mixed in with wood on passenger lines and wood only on freight only tracks.

The extra cost involved in a gauge convertible sleeper either steel or concrete is marginal like $ 1 - 2 !!! per sleeper .   BUT V/Line refuse stubbornly to even trial low profile gauge convertible concrete sleepers which are readily available from Austrak at Avalon, and similarly with gauge convertible steel sleepers which are also readily available for use on freight only lines.
ARTC have recently inserted successfully steel sleepers between Yarrawonga and Oaklands (instead of wood) effectively locking in a lower maintenance cost model freight track. In the case of both the North West and Goulburn Valley lines all tie renewals and track class upgrades should be using on passenger lines gauge convertible concrete sleepers, and on freight only lines gauge convertible steel sleepers.  The cost of full standard gauge sleeper replacement and standardization in the longer term add substantally and disproportinately to the eventual standardization cost.
kuldalai
It was normal practice on the WA grain sytem to have a pattern of steel 1:4.   Was pushed further to 1:2 on the Esperance line etc.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

This is Excellent News, the best possible outcome for the state. And the Greatest Gauge in the history of this great nation Very Happy. Broad Gauge Shall Endure!
Dangersdan707
The Irish have won.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
This is Excellent News, the best possible outcome for the state. And the Greatest Gauge in the history of this great nation Very Happy. Broad Gauge Shall Endure!
The Irish have won.
Carnot
Their next project, I believe, is raising the iceberg that sank the Titanic.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
This is Excellent News, the best possible outcome for the state. And the Greatest Gauge in the history of this great nation Very Happy. Broad Gauge Shall Endure!
The Irish have won.
Carnot
Upon looking at the MBRP Thread, I have only been victorious in this Theatre sadly.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

Monday  05/10  Feds cucking in $ 300m and Victoria $ 80m =  $ 400m as a capex project over neext copule of years for stage 3 Shepparton Line upgrade , track upgrade to Class-2M Seymour to Shepparton allowing V/Locity to run at 130kmh and offering 2 hour journey time Melbourne to Shepparton . Will allow for further increase in service frequency . Will proceed partly in parallel or hard on heels of existing Stage 2 works. Class 2M track requires typically 53kg rail CWR on ideally concrete sleepers.
Federal Government Media Release - Deputy PM  Mon 05/10/20
Thanks kuldalai, has there been an upgrade in track class, thought it was going to be class-2 but you have specified class-2m ?
Also you mention 53kg rail, will this be added to the todo list and how much will be needed ?
The concrete sleeper situation, is there a plan on how or many where they will be used ?

Was thinking this sounds like an excellent upgrade but then thought it will mean that standardising the Goulburn Valley is going to get even further away, then engaged brain properly and all said and done, the containers from Toc go directly to port same as any grain so perhaps not so much of a big deal after all.

While the work force is at it, will there be any enhancements of the track beyond Shep ?

BigShunter.

hard on.....?....Shocked
You raise another issue in that all country line tie renewals upgrades should now be using gauge convertible sleepers.
In days past these would just have been red gum or yellow box wood. Viz: 20 year life but gauge convertible within that time span.

These days we have moved over the last decade to inserting low profile concrete sleepers mixed in with wood on passenger lines and wood only on freight only tracks.

The extra cost involved in a gauge convertible sleeper either steel or concrete is marginal like $ 1 - 2 !!! per sleeper .   BUT V/Line refuse stubbornly to even trial low profile gauge convertible concrete sleepers which are readily available from Austrak at Avalon, and similarly with gauge convertible steel sleepers which are also readily available for use on freight only lines.
ARTC have recently inserted successfully steel sleepers between Yarrawonga and Oaklands (instead of wood) effectively locking in a lower maintenance cost model freight track. In the case of both the North West and Goulburn Valley lines all tie renewals and track class upgrades should be using on passenger lines gauge convertible concrete sleepers, and on freight only lines gauge convertible steel sleepers.  The cost of full standard gauge sleeper replacement and standardization in the longer term add substantally and disproportinately to the eventual standardization cost.
It was normal practice on the WA grain sytem to have a pattern of steel 1:4.   Was pushed further to 1:2 on the Esperance line etc.
skitz
Id go further to add the secret to using them (other than a good design fro fatigue at the fastener) is larger hard ballasts that has good locking and 'bite'.  One must also be certain that the ballast is PH neutral.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

You raise another issue in that all country line tie renewals upgrades should now be using gauge convertible sleepers.
In days past these would just have been red gum or yellow box wood. Viz: 20 year life but gauge convertible within that time span.

These days we have moved over the last decade to inserting low profile concrete sleepers mixed in with wood on passenger lines and wood only on freight only tracks.

The extra cost involved in a gauge convertible sleeper either steel or concrete is marginal like $ 1 - 2 !!! per sleeper .   BUT V/Line refuse stubbornly to even trial low profile gauge convertible concrete sleepers which are readily available from Austrak at Avalon, and similarly with gauge convertible steel sleepers which are also readily available for use on freight only lines.
ARTC have recently inserted successfully steel sleepers between Yarrawonga and Oaklands (instead of wood) effectively locking in a lower maintenance cost model freight track. In the case of both the North West and Goulburn Valley lines all tie renewals and track class upgrades should be using on passenger lines gauge convertible concrete sleepers, and on freight only lines gauge convertible steel sleepers.  The cost of full standard gauge sleeper replacement and standardization in the longer term add substantally and disproportinately to the eventual standardization cost.
It was normal practice on the WA grain sytem to have a pattern of steel 1:4.   Was pushed further to 1:2 on the Esperance line etc.
Id go further to add the secret to using them (other than a good design fro fatigue at the fastener) is larger hard ballasts that has good locking and 'bite'.  One must also be certain that the ballast is PH neutral.
skitz
There are a lot of steel sleepers (with Trak-Lok clips) in secondary track in NSW where they work well. The negatives are that they need more ballast, and greater care has to be taken with tamping. However they have excellent lateral stability, and are easily interspersed with timber. After a final pass with the tie gang, an all steel track is easy to maintain.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
The Government announced today they will fund the Stage 3 project at Shepparton.  What a load of news bull.  Stage 2 is already funded and at least 2 years away and they are announcing stage 3.  The government is BIG on spin.

Stage 2 includes platform lengthening but why is this required with 3 car velocities running on the route?
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Stage 2 is two years from completion, with stage 3 to follow on from that.

Neil
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
The Government announced today they will fund the Stage 3 project at Shepparton.  What a load of news bull.  Stage 2 is already funded and at least 2 years away and they are announcing stage 3.  The government is BIG on spin.

Stage 2 includes platform lengthening but why is this required with 3 car velocities running on the route?
NSWGR8022
Shepparton is a traditionally Nationals electorate that has elected an independent during the term of a Labor government.  Shepparton will get whatever it wants (within reason) for the foreseeable future and announcing it now means that it wont be a thorn in the local side come election time.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Stage 2 is two years from completion, with stage 3 to follow on from that.

Neil
"ngarner"


In other words, Stage 3 might be complete with V/los on it just before the 2026 Election....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
More info and works underway for daily return services

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-to-shepparton-on-track
  Tii Chief Train Controller

More info and works underway for daily return services

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-to-shepparton-on-track
bevans
Stage 3 is all about track upgrades isn't it for more speed ?
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Pretty much correct. There are a few extras bits and pieces but speed is the main aim

Neil
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

More info and works underway for daily return services

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-to-shepparton-on-track
Stage 3 is all about track upgrades isn't it for more speed ?
Tii
Stage 2 allows introduction of V/Locity commuter type sets to Shepparton.
Stage - 3  upgrades the track to Class 2M between Seymour and probably  Mooroopna allowing 130kmg speed.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
More info and works underway for daily return services

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-to-shepparton-on-track
Stage 3 is all about track upgrades isn't it for more speed ?
Stage 2 allows introduction of V/Locity commuter type sets to Shepparton.
Stage - 3  upgrades the track to Class 2M between Seymour and probably  Mooroopna allowing 130kmg speed.
kuldalai
With the usual perchant to deliver popular projects early, VLO arriiving at Shepparton just before the election?
  Tii Chief Train Controller

More info and works underway for daily return services

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rail-to-shepparton-on-track
Stage 3 is all about track upgrades isn't it for more speed ?
Stage 2 allows introduction of V/Locity commuter type sets to Shepparton.
Stage - 3  upgrades the track to Class 2M between Seymour and probably  Mooroopna allowing 130kmg speed.
With the usual perchant to deliver popular projects early, VLO arriiving at Shepparton just before the election?
justarider
Followed shortly after the election by bustitution to do the speed upgrades to 2M, shame they can't do Stages 2 and 3 as one project and advance the works in 2022 after the Bendigo-Echuca track upgrade is complete.
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Were upgrades to the Shepparton Railway Line also to consider trains to Cobram which have been left in limbo?

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