The corona virus COVID-19

 
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
What a smegshow.

I am apolitical regarding the virus. In fact, until a month or so ago, I preferred Berejiklian to Palaszczuk as a leader less distracted by Olympic Games sideshows and less inclined to engage in pointless snide comments etc. In my humble opinion Palaszczuk is up herself.

Lately though, I fear that Berejiklian has lost the plot. She let politics get in the way of sound decision making. I suspect that she has ignored the advice of her health advisors along the way and she is now starting to implode. To state this morning that the buck stops with her, and that it is up to her to make the big announcements, then send her minions in to make the statewide lockdown announcement this afternoon shows nothing but cowardice.

There was abundant evidence from other states on how to react to outbreaks of the virus. How can the leader of Australia's most populous state expect to contain the virus at the edge of the state when it would have been far easier to contain it at the edge of the metropolis, weeks ago?

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  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
The good people of NSW have developed fatigue. The "Health Experts" should have called for a strict lockdown weeks ago.

The outcome of politics taking over basic common sense will be evident in the coming days.
ANR
See above.

i suspect that Berejiklian ignored the advice.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
What a smegshow.

I am apolitical regarding the virus. In fact, until a month or so ago, I preferred Berejiklian to Palaszczuk as a leader less distracted by Olympic Games sideshows and less inclined to engage in pointless snide comments etc. In my humble opinion Palaszczuk is up herself.

Lately though, I fear that Berejiklian has lost the plot. She let politics get in the way of sound decision making. I suspect that she has ignored the advice of her health advisors along the way and she is now starting to implode. To state this morning that the buck stops with her, and that it is up to her to make the big announcements, then send her minions in to make the statewide lockdown announcement this afternoon shows nothing but cowardice.

There was abundant evidence from other states on how to react to outbreaks of the virus. How can the leader of Australia's most populous state expect to contain the virus at the edge of the state when it would have been far easier to contain it at the edge of the metropolis, weeks ago?
DirtyBallast
Yes, she should have locked down the Eastern Suburbs when she had the chance to, now, the Delta Strain is well and truly out of control and showing no signs of slowing down, I now expect Syd to be in some sort of lockdown until well into the new year!, so when the big lockdown finishes there will be very tight restrictions going forward.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Unfortunately this has always been political, from a conservative point of view it's the economy before health until it's way too late any fool could see this a mile away, some only now see how it is, to clever by half
  doyle Chief Commissioner

The Olympics about 11 years into the future is probably foresight, but for nsw to carry on and keeping bunnings and alike open, not learning from what has happened in the very recent past nor showing leadership and not properly looking after your citizens is a massive fail
  doyle Chief Commissioner

look how Morrison has changed tactics, I always felt it was Berejiklian whom was snipping at Andrews and Palaszczuk I suppose it really is about perception.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Dr. Fauci says that Americans will need to have regular booster shots of the vaccines - possibly forever - but they aren't sure just yet. Daily Mail;

Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Thursday that he can't rule out people having to have COVID-19 booster shots indefinitely as the virus continues to surge.

Fauci, the chief medical advisor to the president, made his comments in an interview with Anderson Cooper on CNN in which he also warned that fully vaccinated people with so-called breakthrough infections can still get long-term COVID.

'We know a lot more than we did to start, but there's obviously, you know, we need to be humble in the face of this virus,' Fauci said...

...Fauci said 'the only way' the public health officials will become certain whether continued booster shots will be needed will be by conducting clinical and observational studies.

Cooper asked Fauci how future booster shots would be administered - namely if people would get them at their doctor's office and pharmacies or at mass vaccination locations.

'We don't want to get ahead of ourselves,' Fauci said.

'Let's assume that this occurs that we're making a decision to do this, it would have to be in an orderly fashion. So you would not want to say, okay, now everybody's going to go getting a third boost. It will be an orderly fashion in a timely way.'

I'm guessing that the decision to administer regular booster shots will be based on clinical studies into how long the individual vaccine's effectiveness will last - so in the case of AstraZenica that could be every three months based on the current information.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Looking at the Melb numbers today, Dan might be running out of ammo.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Dr. Fauci says that Americans will need to have regular booster shots of the vaccines - possibly forever - but they aren't sure just yet. Daily Mail;

Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Thursday that he can't rule out people having to have COVID-19 booster shots indefinitely as the virus continues to surge.

Fauci, the chief medical advisor to the president, made his comments in an interview with Anderson Cooper on CNN in which he also warned that fully vaccinated people with so-called breakthrough infections can still get long-term COVID.

'We know a lot more than we did to start, but there's obviously, you know, we need to be humble in the face of this virus,' Fauci said...

...Fauci said 'the only way' the public health officials will become certain whether continued booster shots will be needed will be by conducting clinical and observational studies.

Cooper asked Fauci how future booster shots would be administered - namely if people would get them at their doctor's office and pharmacies or at mass vaccination locations.

'We don't want to get ahead of ourselves,' Fauci said.

'Let's assume that this occurs that we're making a decision to do this, it would have to be in an orderly fashion. So you would not want to say, okay, now everybody's going to go getting a third boost. It will be an orderly fashion in a timely way.'

I'm guessing that the decision to administer regular booster shots will be based on clinical studies into how long the individual vaccine's effectiveness will last - so in the case of AstraZenica that could be every three months based on the current information.
don_dunstan
IF various reports are correct it would seem that those who got early AstraZeneca vaccinations in about March are already nearing or beyond their effective dates. Not that we would expect Morrison et al to come clean on that.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
IF various reports are correct it would seem that those who got early AstraZeneca vaccinations in about March are already nearing or beyond their effective dates. Not that we would expect Morrison et al to come clean on that.
YM-Mundrabilla
I'm pretty sure the recent change to AstraZenica recommendations was purely political - because nobody wanted to take it they dropped the age limit again so they could try and get rid of it. CSL have been pumping out millions of doses locally but Aussies are hesitant to take it because of the risk of death from blood clotting - RACGP. And for every death you can be sure there's hundreds of people who got very sick.

The government doesn't give a damn about that, they just want to do as you're told. Next thing they'll be telling you its good for your pets and it makes your flowering annuals bloom harder.

This whole thing stinks of a politically-motivated push to force people to do what they want, nothing at all to do with 'science'.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
IF various reports are correct it would seem that those who got early AstraZeneca vaccinations in about March are already nearing or beyond their effective dates. Not that we would expect Morrison et al to come clean on that.
I'm pretty sure the recent change to AstraZenica recommendations was purely political - because nobody wanted to take it they dropped the age limit again so they could try and get rid of it. CSL have been pumping out millions of doses locally but Aussies are hesitant to take it because of the risk of death from blood clotting - RACGP. And for every death you can be sure there's hundreds of people who got very sick.

The government doesn't give a damn about that, they just want to do as you're told. Next thing they'll be telling you its good for your pets and it makes your flowering annuals bloom harder.

This whole thing stinks of a politically-motivated push to force people to do what they want, nothing at all to do with 'science'.
don_dunstan
More women die on the pill than getting the vaccine.

  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
More women die on the pill than getting the vaccine.

speedemon08
Death is only at the extreme end of the 'adverse reactions' that are possible.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Time to change the 5km rule to 2km yet?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The state of NSW reported four deaths and 415 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 on Sunday. All of Greater Sydney, including Wollongong, Central Coast, and the Blue Mountains, entered a lockdown on June 26, which has been extended for four more weeks until at least August 28. On Saturday, NSW police announced Operation Stay At Home which includes increased fines, spot fines, single bubble permits and tighter restrictions. NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro announced that lockdown will be extended to the whole state for at least one week from 5 pm Saturday.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
More women die on the pill than getting the vaccine.

Death is only at the extreme end of the 'adverse reactions' that are possible.
don_dunstan
So you are half as likely to be killed by an aeroplane crashing into your house as hang gliding.
I don't believe it.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Time to change the 5km rule to 2km yet?
Heihachi_73
No point if they cannot enforce it.

There needs to be an announcement about vaccine passports, that is the only way to get more people motivated to get the shots, there are too many people who just don't care, wont bother, don't think they will catch the virus or get sick...these people are not even traditional anti-vaxxers. The biggest problem is that people won't take the AZ shot because they believe it is excessively dangerous, which it isn't.

A date for introducing them needs to be set and business needs to be forced to enforce them: there is basically no enforcement of QR codes and masks now...even indoors.

People don't see a way out at the moment, so compliance is breaking down even in Melbourne.

I still think November 1st is the date we should be targeting. End blanket state-wide and even citywide lockdowns and introduce vaccine passports on that day.

Aim for zero lockdown restrictions January 1 with all restrictions except international travel to end July 1 2022.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
IF various reports are correct it would seem that those who got early AstraZeneca vaccinations in about March are already nearing or beyond their effective dates. Not that we would expect Morrison et al to come clean on that.
YM-Mundrabilla
Oh god, none of this is a state secret. In UAE, we are now doing our boosters as 6mth comes up, regardless of the vaccine, pfizer AZ, Sino, Spunik V and indeed after 6mths post 2nd dose your access to various events, services, employment etc start to become restricted and as of Sept 20th if you haven't had your 6mth booster you will be considered not vaccinated at all.

Type of boosters or re-vaccination are dependent on what you had before, underlying health concerns and your travel needs. Hence we were Sinopharm before but switching to Pfizer for purposes of travel. However construction workers who only travel home are in most cases simply getting Sino booster as they don't have to deal with different govts having poitical views on vaccines.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
IF various reports are correct it would seem that those who got early AstraZeneca vaccinations in about March are already nearing or beyond their effective dates. Not that we would expect Morrison et al to come clean on that.
Oh god, none of this is a state secret. In UAE, we are now doing our boosters as 6mth comes up, regardless of the vaccine, pfizer AZ, Sino, Spunik V and indeed after 6mths post 2nd dose your access to various events, services, employment etc start to become restricted and as of Sept 20th if you haven't had your 6mth booster you will be considered not vaccinated at all.

Type of boosters or re-vaccination are dependent on what you had before, underlying health concerns and your travel needs. Hence we were Sinopharm before but switching to Pfizer for purposes of travel. However construction workers who only travel home are in most cases simply getting Sino booster as they don't have to deal with different govts having poitical views on vaccines.
It is a state secret here in Oz.
The Canberra based Morrison Marketing Company (the advertising arm of AZ) has never mentioned it.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Yes they have:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-vaccine-rollout-85-million-pfizer-booster-doses-to-arrive-february-2022/2ec88b59-aa76-4a26-a1cb-4bdf997888ea

(Mind you, these might be letters-of-intent, memorandums-of-understanding or agreements-in-principle, ie not contracts.)
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It is a state secret here in Oz.
The Canberra based Morrison Marketing Company (the advertising arm of AZ) has never mentioned it.
YM-Mundrabilla
Umm no, that would be very much incorrect.Shocked


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632
In a statement, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the deal would allow every Australian to have a booster shot if needed.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Yes they have:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-vaccine-rollout-85-million-pfizer-booster-doses-to-arrive-february-2022/2ec88b59-aa76-4a26-a1cb-4bdf997888ea

(Mind you, these might be letters-of-intent, memorandums-of-understanding or agreements-in-principle, ie not contracts.)
kitchgp
Your assumption is incorrect

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632
The federal government signed a deal with the multinational pharmaceutical company
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

It is a state secret here in Oz.
The Canberra based Morrison Marketing Company (the advertising arm of AZ) has never mentioned it.
Umm no, that would be very much incorrect.Shocked


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632
In a statement, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the deal would allow every Australian to have a booster shot if needed.
RTT_Rules
Yeah, he also said, we’re at the front of the que, it’s not a race,,,
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It is a state secret here in Oz.
The Canberra based Morrison Marketing Company (the advertising arm of AZ) has never mentioned it.
Umm no, that would be very much incorrect.Shocked


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfizer-covid19-booster-shots/100321632
In a statement, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the deal would allow every Australian to have a booster shot if needed.
Yeah, he also said, we’re at the front of the que, it’s not a race,,,
michaelgm

2020 was an evolving year of ongoing change for everyone. Things change, $hit happens, we move on. If you think things changed too much in Oz, try movng here were each week, sometimes mutliple times in one week they change the rules in AD, Dubai, the whole country, but then later not one or the other......Yes we also have a $hot fight between different jusistictions, Australia doesn't have a monoloply on this. US and other other multi tier govt country's are also seeing similar issues.

Anyway, back to 2020.
From the front to the back of the queue: how Australia’s vaccine rollout unravelled

7 September 2020
The prime minister, Scott Morrison, announces a $1.7bn deal with two potential vaccines: the University of Oxford/AstraZeneca to provide 33.8m doses and the University of Queensland/CSL to provide another 50m doses.


But too many Australians became vaccine snobs and refused to take AZ, including health care workers in old age homes. In other countries these staff would have been shown the door and if need be replaced by vaccinated foreign workers.  Note a German nurse vaccinated 25,000 people with saline because she didn't believe in the vaccine and in Phillipines Nurses are being told by private Dr's to not inject, only jab so vaccines can be sold on black market. So yes, a bit of an insult by some to refuse.

Thats 1 out of the 4 vaccines that were either not approved or Aussies refusd to take.


5 November 2020Scott Morrison announces a deal for 10m doses of Pfizer and 40m from Novavax, saying Australia is at the [color=#c70000][size=2][font=GuardianTextEgyptian, "Guardian Text Egyptian Web", Georgia, serif]“front of the queue” for mRNA vaccines. Pfizer had already signed agreements to provide about 1bn doses to 34 countries by this time.[/font][/size][/color]
“We aren’t putting all our eggs in one basket and we will continue to pursue further vaccines should our medical experts recommend them.”
The government announces the vaccine rollout will begin in March.


Novavax bacially fell through as theys till havn't seeked approval. Its also got a low effacy at around 90%.  

Thats 2 out of the 3 vaccines that were either not approved or Aussies refusd to take.

11 December 2020“Front of the queue” changes to “front row” for vaccines, as the Therapeutic Goods Administration goes through its approval process.

Covid Australia vaccine rollout tracker: total number of people and per cent vaccinated, daily vaccine doses and rate of progress

Read more




The UQ trials are abandoned after participants returned false positive test results for HIV, and the government [color=#c70000][size=2][font=GuardianTextEgyptian, "Guardian Text Egyptian Web", Georgia, serif]terminates its agreement for the 51m doses it had ordered.[/font][/size][/color]
As a result, Australia plans to increase its reliance on the AstraZeneca vaccine, from 33.8m to 53.8m doses, with the extra 20m to be locally produced. It also announces an extra 11m doses of the Novavax vaccine.
Labor raises concerns the government has not done enough vaccine deals.

UQ trials failed.


Thats 3 out of the 4 vaccines that were either not approved or Aussies refusd to take.

28 December 2020The health minister, Greg Hunt, says Australians who want the vaccine will be [color=#c70000][size=2][font=GuardianTextEgyptian, "Guardian Text Egyptian Web", Georgia, serif]“fully vaccinated” by October. He says the rollout could finish ahead of schedule.[/font][/size][/color]

Define "fully vaccinated", normally means that every medically suitable person who wanted one has had the oppurtunity to get one. However many people quote all sorts of crap regarding this. Also did this include under 18's at the time as under 18's (12-18) were not approved for the Pfizer until 3mths ago OS.  3- 12 years olds OS approval is pending end of August.

Back to 2021
While the US originally banned Moderna from export, its been available for a few months and Australia bought a bucet load in May starting in Sept to replace AZ. That should hopefully start to appease the vaccine snobs.

Contracts have been signed and my comments above in previous posts references not just PM PR, but also company PR's which used the words "contracts signed". Now after more than a few stumbles, the various govts in Oz appear to finally getting their $hit together in more ways than one. The next step is up to Aussies to roll up their sleeves and get jabbed.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I feel quite worried at the prospect of NSW where I live being overrun by delta variant and feel the government has been too slow to react to this problem.  We are all worried now even in Albury.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
The outbreak in Melbourne last year, that was not Delta was it??

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