Standard Gauge VLocity

 
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Way back in 2004 I visited the first V Locity as SCS. I spoke to one of the engineers who explained that unless you have all the cars powered, you would struggle for performance climbing out of Melbourne, as per my earlier post. So that resolves that issue.

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  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Way back in 2004 I visited the first V Locity as SCS. I spoke to one of the engineers who explained that unless you have all the cars powered, you would struggle for performance climbing out of Melbourne, as per my earlier post. So that resolves that issue.
Duncs
All the more reason that some clever dick will do something else ............ Rolling Eyes
  Lachlan's Train Channel Train Controller

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
Way back in 2004 I visited the first V Locity as SCS. I spoke to one of the engineers who explained that unless you have all the cars powered, you would struggle for performance climbing out of Melbourne, as per my earlier post. So that resolves that issue.
Duncs
I'd say the reason for this is that it's the reduced tractive effort as only one bogie in each carriage is powered, as they physically could not accomodate 2 powered bogies into the design. Please correct me if I'm wrong
  hbedriver Deputy Commissioner

Can’t see what his problem is. We usually don’t go more than 3 days without copping a train with one set of traction engine shut down. They run them up to 72 hours like that, then re-apply the labels for another 72 hours. Not unusual to cop a two-legged tripod four days in five.

Maybe his problem is they are unable to PLAN for it!
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Way back in 2004 I visited the first V Locity as SCS. I spoke to one of the engineers who explained that unless you have all the cars powered, you would struggle for performance climbing out of Melbourne, as per my earlier post. So that resolves that issue.
Duncs
The new NSW regional fleet will be powered differently. They will be in a power, trailer, power configuration for 3 cars and P,T,P,P,T,P for the 6 car fleets. You can thank the new more powerful 22 litre engine and diesel / hybrid electric traction for this as well. No reason why vline can't go to a diesel electric setup similar to this.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Way back in 2004 I visited the first V Locity as SCS. I spoke to one of the engineers who explained that unless you have all the cars powered, you would struggle for performance climbing out of Melbourne, as per my earlier post. So that resolves that issue.
The new NSW regional fleet will be powered differently. They will be in a power, trailer, power configuration for 3 cars and P,T,P,P,T,P for the 6 car fleets. You can thank the new more powerful 22 litre engine and diesel / hybrid electric traction for this as well. No reason why vline can't go to a diesel electric setup similar to this.
simstrain
Ooo look. A brand new design  3 car, 3 engine(19 ltr) DMU.
https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/press-release/11422807/cummins-inc-in-cummins-qsk19r-to-power-nippon-sharyo-dmu-train-designed-for-new-transit-routes-in-north-america

Where have I seen that before?.  Oh yes, Vlocity.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Ooo look. A brand new design  3 car, 3 engine(19 ltr) DMU.
https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/press-release/11422807/cummins-inc-in-cummins-qsk19r-to-power-nippon-sharyo-dmu-train-designed-for-new-transit-routes-in-north-america

Where have I seen that before?.  Oh yes, Vlocity.
justarider

and before that the Xplorer. No mention of what drivetrain is being used by this train either.

edit I found the wikipedia and it will still be using hydraulic transmission. Hardly a brand new design and nothing like the new regional fleet we will be getting and so not sure why you posted this in reply to my post.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Ooo look. A brand new design  3 car, 3 engine(19 ltr) DMU.
https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/press-release/11422807/cummins-inc-in-cummins-qsk19r-to-power-nippon-sharyo-dmu-train-designed-for-new-transit-routes-in-north-america

Where have I seen that before?.  Oh yes, Vlocity.

and before that the Xplorer. No mention of what drivetrain is being used by this train either.

edit I found the wikipedia and it will still be using hydraulic transmission. Hardly a brand new design and nothing like the new regional fleet we will be getting and so not sure why you posted this in reply to my post.
simstrain
The point is deisel/hydraulic is the chosen platform in Victoria, being a long proved robust system.
This is still being chosen in new networks around the world where found to be more appropriate.

The platform chosen in NSW is irrelevant to Vic. You keep bring it up, yet contributes nothing.

You seem to forget that the "new" SG Vlo is nothing more than guage conversion(and testing) of the boggie.
Internal fitout is merely a continuation of the improvement proccess to better match the customer demand. This time a buffet, woopie doo.

Vlo is the chosen common platform in Vic for a long time yet.
When time comes to replace the whole fleet in 30+ years, there will be many more options. Even deisel/electric is approaching its "use by" date.

cheers
John
  ballhammer475 Beginner

Any possibilities the new SG Vlocities able to run interstate services to Sydney?
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Any possibilities the new SG Vlocities able to run interstate services to Sydney?
ballhammer475
They wont have to as NSW will have its own rolling stock. But technically there should be no obstacle.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Any possibilities the new SG Vlocities able to run interstate services to Sydney?
They wont have to as NSW will have its own rolling stock. But technically there should be no obstacle.
Duncs
Do we know if the V/Locities would/have passed the NSW EPA requirements? I believe reports at the time had SG N Class locos needing to be re-classified/tested, with a lot of hoops needing to be jumped through to get the OK to run into Albury

Been arguments in this forum, and others, that extending the V/Line service to wagga could be done logistically quite easily, with a good deal of benefit. Perhaps a faster SG V/Locity on the services might get the idea over the line?

Someone please remind me, the SG Vlocities are being geared for 130km/h not 160km/h? does/will this change the acceleration and ability to hold speed on the hills, or will it still be pretty average?
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Any possibilities the new SG Vlocities able to run interstate services to Sydney?
They wont have to as NSW will have its own rolling stock. But technically there should be no obstacle.

Someone please remind me, the SG Vlocities are being geared for 130km/h not 160km/h? does/will this change the acceleration and ability to hold speed on the hills, or will it still be pretty average?
Galron
V locities don't need to be re geared. The driver just sets the throttle for 130kph and proceeds at that speed.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

That means the third gear will never be used.  Re-gearing will be useful for fuel economics.  The transition speed from the second to the third gear should be around 110 km/h so it will be able to maintain 115 km/h in the third gear when the line speed is that.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Is the SG VLocity bogie wheelbase the same length as the BG and is it capable of more than 130 km/h?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Someone please remind me, the SG Vlocities are being geared for 130km/h not 160km/h? does/will this change the acceleration and ability to hold speed on the hills, or will it still be pretty average?
Galron
There isn't any hills to Wagga Wagga and so this isn't a problem and considering the vlocity is essentially a more modern xplorer they shouldn't have an issue meeting the EPA requirements. Heck they could probably get to Junee with no problems.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Someone please remind me, the SG Vlocities are being geared for 130km/h not 160km/h? does/will this change the acceleration and ability to hold speed on the hills, or will it still be pretty average?
There isn't any hills to Wagga Wagga and so this isn't a problem and considering the vlocity is essentially a more modern xplorer they shouldn't have an issue meeting the EPA requirements. Heck they could probably get to Junee with no problems.
simstrain
If V/Locitys can accelerate significantly while climbing Ingliston Bank, then in the unlikely event they ventured North of Wagga they should cope nicely with the many 1 in 66 on the Up, and probably wouldn't get up too much of a sweat climbing the extensive 1 in 40s on the Dn.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Someone please remind me, the SG Vlocities are being geared for 130km/h not 160km/h? does/will this change the acceleration and ability to hold speed on the hills, or will it still be pretty average?
There isn't any hills to Wagga Wagga and so this isn't a problem and considering the vlocity is essentially a more modern xplorer they shouldn't have an issue meeting the EPA requirements. Heck they could probably get to Junee with no problems.
If V/Locitys can accelerate significantly while climbing Ingliston Bank, then in the unlikely event they ventured North of Wagga they should cope nicely with the many 1 in 66 on the Up, and probably wouldn't get up too much of a sweat climbing the extensive 1 in 40s on the Dn.
Lockspike
V/Locity should be allowed 130 kmh on Albury track as Track Class as upgraded is Class-2 same as XPT allowed 130 kmh.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
3VL93's been doing tests today checking clearances in the SG fuel point at Dynon among other things.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
3VL93's been doing tests today checking clearances in the SG fuel point at Dynon among other things.
Greensleeves

Apparently NOW in Albury after a driver was found to undertake the first trial test.

M.
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Standard gauge VLocity train 3VS93 left South Dynon this afternoon headed for Seymour, where it will complete further testing over the next few weeks. Here we see the transfer at Albion. (23/09/2321)









A panel looks missing or is it by design?

Sourced from twitter
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
They really went crazy with the headlights, didn't they? There's a big difference to the original version.
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

I can't tell if it is 3 or 6 cars?
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I can't tell if it is 3 or 6 cars?
8502
u need specsavers......................
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Standard gauge VLocity train 3VS93 left South Dynon this afternoon headed for Seymour, where it will complete further testing over the next few weeks. Here we see the transfer at Albion. (23/09/2321)









A panel looks missing or is it by design?

Sourced from twitter
8502
looks like an exhaust for the buffet,  and the glass facia fell off (or didn't fit Embarassed)
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Build more and convert the BG from Craigieburn all the way to tocumwal.
That is what should happen.

Cannot happen until a better path into Melbourne from the North is available.

Yes it can. ARTC should start duplicating the SG north from the flyover at broadmeadows.
simstrain

The best route is straight north out of Melbourne or extend the SG lines from the proposed SRL to Seymour with electrification. BG stops at Broady.

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