Taliban taking back Afghanistan

 
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
At this point, any world leader might as well just be saying nothing, the US/NATO/UN have tried to bail out the Afghanis once, they capitulated without bothering to effectively fire a shot in their own defense, smeg em, leave them to the patch of dust.

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  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Is the Taliban fairly well organized? from what I have seen of them, they look like a motley Crew off some old Pirate Ship.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I'm speechless:
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Ugh.  Morrison is not even lightweight in this discussion.  He'd be better of saying nothing at all.
"james.au"
Puts one in mind of Vince Gair's description of Billy Snedden as "a lightweight who couldn't go two rounds with a revolving door, and wouldn't make an impression in a soft cushion."
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Ugh.  Morrison is not even lightweight in this discussion.  He'd be better of saying nothing at all.
Puts one in mind of Vince Gair's description of Billy Snedden as "a lightweight who couldn't go two rounds with a revolving door, and wouldn't make an impression in a soft cushion."
Valvegear
Yes, totally agree. Mr Morrison is totally unimpressive in every way.


Michael
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Mr. Lane
USN's own documentation says that the LCS ships are not built to survive weapons impact, and that their primary means of providing crew safety is speed - 8 knots in a Freedom... HMAS Leeuwin could outrun it without breaking a sweat - and it's most dangerous opponent is likely to be some illegal migrants in an Indonesian fishing canoe. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter that their duties are, if it's a war situation the other side is going to target ANY large asset on your side that moves, and quite a good number of assets that aren't moving too. A hell of a lot has to go right/wrong outlook depending before a Uran, Klub or Granit can hit your ship too, but you better believe that the US/NATO carry defense to them, Zircon? A decoy at end stage is useless unless you can move properly quick, like faster than any ship currently known.

Not every ship needs to be a multi billion dollar guided missile destroyer.

I wont argue that the LCS are great ships and yes the Freedom class has serious issues, but there needs to be context. The reason the LCS program started was because the USN needed to retire its old Oliver Hazard Perry frigates and was sending multi billion dollar guided missile destroyers and cruisers with their 300 plus crew to chase down pirates, drug runners and ward off terrorist speed boats.

This is an expensive use of valuable high end assets and also was resulting in these ships deteriorating more quickly than planned. The LCS was designed to solve this problem. They are not surface combatants designed to go toe-to-toe with the PLAN...they are designed to be deployed elsewhere so the serious surface combatants can be deployed to where they really need to be.

Did it turn out? Not really, but that has more to do with technical issues with the ships themselves rather than the concept and the fact that people keep trying to turn the ships into something they are not.

They need to get back to the basics with the LCS and refocus them on their original low end roles, not try to make them some sort of frigate.

As for missile defense, well a few things. First, NO ship is surviving a hit from a hypersonic cruise missile LCS or otherwise. Second ECM/jamming and decoys have ALWAYS been the most effective defense against guided missiles, NOT kinetic defenses.

Modern USN ships are as much electronic warfare platforms as they are weapons platforms: the ships are bristling with all sorts of antennas and arrays that are designed to send out jamming, blinding, spoofing and scrambling signals. There are more electronic weapons systems than actual weapons.

At the end stage there are decoys like SBROC and Nulka and others. SBROC works by shooting enormous blooms of radar reflecting material over the fleet that obscures the ships below. Nulka (an Australian developed system) works by hovering above the ships and mimicking the radar returns of the ship thus luring the missiles up and harmlessly over the top of the ship.

That doesn't mean the ships are invincible, but weapons like Zircon are not some definite end for surface warships.
The 8 knot reference seems to be incorrect or out dated

"Defense News reports that the temporary operating restrictions will limit the service's current LCS fleet to a top speed of 34 knots rather than the normal 40-plus knots until the retrofit process is complete."

Maybe its 8 knot reduction, not limit.

PUBLISHED JAN 21, 2021 7:59 PM BY THE MARITIME EXECUTIVE

The U.S. Navy says that it will not be taking delivery of any more Freedom-class littoral combat ships (LCSs) until lead contractor Lockheed Martin has fixed a major problem with the vessel's combining gear, the transmission that marries power input from the vessel's diesel engines and gas turbines.

There are also potential foreign govt sales.

Yes its lightly armoured (the aluminium super structure should have been the give away). Ship is designed for patrolling  Each has the capabilities of a small assault transport, including a flight deck and hangar for housing two SH-60 or MH-60 Seahawk helicopters, a stern ramp for operating small boats, and the cargo volume and payload to deliver a small assault force with fighting vehicles to a roll-on/roll-off port facility.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
- At least seven people have been killed at Kabul International Airport as Afghani and foreign citizens attempt to leave the country, US officials say

- Afghanistan's President Ashraf Ghani relinquished power to an interim government led by Taliban commander Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar

- EU governments to meet on Tuesday - US Secretary of State Antony Blinken defends decision to withdraw - UK parliament to be recalled on Wednesday
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A U.S. Air Force C-17 Globemaster III safely evacuated some 640 Afghans from Kabul late Sunday, according to U.S. defense officials and photos obtained by Defense One.

That’s believed to be among the most people ever flown in the C-17, a massive military cargo plane that has been operated by the U.S. and its allies for nearly three decades. Flight tracking software shows the plane belongs to the 436th Air Wing, based at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.


A photo from the inside of Reach 871, a U.S. Air Force C-17 flown from Kabul to Qatar on Aug. 15.

The C-17, using the call sign Reach 871, was not intending to take on such a large load, but panicked Afghans who had been cleared to evacuate pulled themselves onto the C-17’s half-open ramp, a video posted late Sunday showed.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

There seems to be women and children onboard.
  303gunner Train Controller

There seems to be women and children onboard.
kitchgp
?????????

Er, yes, Women and Children can also be "Afghans" and "People".
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I'm speechless:
Carnot
Why speechless?

Other video's showed people falling from the jet after it took off.

The Taliban took over the country in days because the Afghan govt and military gave zero resistance. Hence people in Kabal who thought they had weeks or months found themselves with hours to get out.

Some of those who supported the ADF from back in 2010 made no attempt to apply for Aussie PR/visa what ever as offered by the Aussie govt until the Taliban turned up into their towns.

Seems the more that comes out the more the population simply assumed the yanks would never leave.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
A U.S. Air Force C-17 Globemaster III safely evacuated some 640 Afghans from Kabul late Sunday, according to U.S. defense officials and photos obtained by Defense One.

That’s believed to be among the most people ever flown in the C-17, a massive military cargo plane that has been operated by the U.S. and its allies for nearly three decades. Flight tracking software shows the plane belongs to the 436th Air Wing, based at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.


A photo from the inside of Reach 871, a U.S. Air Force C-17 flown from Kabul to Qatar on Aug. 15.

The C-17, using the call sign Reach 871, was not intending to take on such a large load, but panicked Afghans who had been cleared to evacuate pulled themselves onto the C-17’s half-open ramp, a video posted late Sunday showed.
bevans
The Israelies still have the record for 1086 on take-off in a 747F and 1088 on landing.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The Chinese Govt are quite happy about the situation, as long as it doesn't spill across into Xinjiang:
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/8/17/with-economic-assets-to-secure-china-embraces-the-taliban
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The West is being run by "woke" twits:


Go and tell the Taliban how virtuous it is to lock up woman in there own homes or forcibly 'marry' them, and also torture and dismember dissidents as has been happening this week.  Moron.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I've heard repeatedly from people who are experts on the situation in Afghanistan, the core of the problem was that the US-backed government was hated (because it was corrupt) and the Taliban were widely supported in the rural areas in particular because they promised a return to stability and proper government. Somewhat ironic-sounding but then we don't live there so maybe what they say is true.

Either way its pretty obvious that almost no Afghanis supported the US-backed government just like the South Vietnam government.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Don is correct on this occasion
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I've heard repeatedly from people who are experts on the situation in Afghanistan, the core of the problem was that the US-backed government was hated (because it was corrupt) and the Taliban were widely supported in the rural areas in particular because they promised a return to stability and proper government. Somewhat ironic-sounding but then we don't live there so maybe what they say is true.

Either way its pretty obvious that almost no Afghanis supported the US-backed government just like the South Vietnam government.
don_dunstan
South Vietnam is a bad analogy, they at least had some base of support and had people who actually believed in the regime, so much so It could stand on its own 2 legs without the US military being directly involved. Afghanistan's American installed government just collapsed as its own design was directly tied to direct US involvement. To give you an idea of there last election out 20 million registered voters only 9% of them actually voted in it, mainly people who lived in Kabul (It's always been a bit of a liberal Island). The other 2 main reasons why the Taliban are popular in rural Afghanistan is cause they support poppy farmers (unlike the coalition invaders) and share the same social values.

No one can win a war in Afghanistan, History is truely a flat circle.  

Any Social Change with things such as woman's rights will have to come from inside Afghanistan, pushed by their citizens.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Please don't bring em here, let the Americans, British, Canadians and Europeans handle them... .
I for one don't trust them, I unfortunately have had some very unpleasant dealings with Afghans...... OMG

Not a bleeding heart doyle
  303gunner Train Controller

I unfortunately have had some very unpleasant dealings with Afghans...... OMG
doyle
The Biscuits or the Hounds? Very Happy
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Heartbreaking

https://t.co/brA3WRdPp8" / Twitter
Not many women there...
It's probably mainly folks who would have worked for the just deposed government and their allies. One of the sad inevitabilities of any conflict ending, especially one that had been going for so long.
Only men worked with the deposed government? Even if it were only men that did, these men didn't see fit to try taking their mothers/wives/sisters/daughters with them? If Australia was overrun tomorrow, you best be believing I wouldn't be going anywhere without my wife, and mum and dad, likewise I am certain my sister's husband wouldn't be leaving her or the kids or his him mum behind either.
Aaron
Same here. I would rather die than leave my wife and girls.


Michael
  doyle Chief Commissioner

The Biscuits or the Hounds?

The biscuits of course, the are a bit flaky
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I've lost the link now but yesterday there was a statement from the Taliban Chiefs welcoming the involvement of the Chinese Communist Party in helping finance and develop the 'new' Afghanistan as part of the Belt-and-Road initiative.

Didn't take long.

EDIT: Here it is: Reuters

China has played a constructive role in promoting peace and reconciliation in Afghanistan and is welcome to contribute to the rebuilding of the country, Taliban spokesman Suhail Shaheen told Chinese state media.

"China is a big country with a huge economy and capacity - I think they can play a very big role in the rebuilding, rehabilitation, reconstruction of Afghanistan," Shaheen told CGTN television in an interview late on Thursday. During Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi's meeting with a Taliban delegation in the northern Chinese port city of Tianjin last month, he said he hoped Afghanistan could adopt a moderate Islamist policy.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said he hoped the Uighurs could allowed to adopt a moderate Islamist policy.
don_dunstan
I hoped he said that, seems sadly he did not.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
In a statement on Thursday, the Pentagon press secretary John Kirby confirmed the two explosions outside Kabul Airport were the "result of a complex attack that resulted in a number of US & civilian casualties." Twelve American service workers were killed and a number of others are being treated for wounds, US officials told The Associated Press. One explosion was a suicide bombing near to the closed Abbey Gate where British troops had been stationed, according to the BBC, while the second explosion was close to the Baron Hotel.
  aussie48 Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
In a statement on Thursday, the Pentagon press secretary John Kirby confirmed the two explosions outside Kabul Airport were the "result of a complex attack that resulted in a number of US & civilian casualties." Twelve American service workers were killed and a number of others are being treated for wounds, US officials told The Associated Press. One explosion was a suicide bombing near to the closed Abbey Gate where British troops had been stationed, according to the BBC, while the second explosion was close to the Baron Hotel.
bevans
Strange isn't it that the UK informed the US and Aust 2 days ago to expect a terror attack from ISIS(K), who acted only the UK and Aust, the death toll is now said to be over 60.  The US President and the Hyena VP were filmed laughing.

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