The corona virus COVID-19

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The state of VICTORIA recorded 71 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases on Monday. Of the new locally acquired cases, 49 are linked to known outbreaks and 16 have been in isolation during their infectious period. Victoria’s sixth COVID-19 lockdown has been extended in Melbourne until at least September 2 and a night curfew has been imposed from August 16. Regional Victoria reentered lockdown on August 21.

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  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

When Gladys opens up to soon what do the other states do? Keep nsw locked out?
PM and berejiklian, all I'm hearing this morning is we are gunna let it run, choices are ICU for young people if you are over 40 bad luck, your young children we think they will be ok

Physiological brain washing preparedness marketing strategy
No one has beaten delta,.... not if you don't try
doyle

Scomo and Gladys are actually right about this: we are at some point going to have to let it run and switch the focus to ICU capacity and deaths, not cases. This was the intention way back in March/April 2020 before COVID Zero became policy.

This doesn't mean let it rip, which is clearly not possible at the moment and is obvious to anyone who is thinking logically rather than ideologically, but COVID Zero in the fullness of time is simply not possible and anyone who thinks it is is delusional.

The vaccinations work well, the vast bulk of double-dose people who have died of COVID, and there are very few, were already very, very sick.

The scaremongering around children catching COVID needs to stop, it is making parents hysterical for no reason. COVID doesn't kill kids, teenagers, 20s, 30s, 40s and even really 50s who do not already have significant underlying health issues, except for some very rare individual cases. Those people will mostly be well protected by vaccination. We may want to consider vaccination of particular high risk individuals under the age of 16, but it is not approved yet..
  doyle Chief Commissioner

This doesn't mean let it rip, which is clearly not possible at the moment and is obvious to anyone who is thinking logically rather than ideologically, but COVID Zero in the fullness of time is simply not possible and anyone who thinks it is is delusional.

Yes understand this, quantine fail, vaccine fail, we are clearly not ready, we could of been ready months ago, if these things were done properly, they weren't

The vaccinations work well, the vast bulk of double-dose people who have died of COVID, and there are very few, were already very, very sick.

Again we are clearly not ready how is phase 1a and 1b going, done yet no still not completed, forget that, now we have 70% & 80% our 4 phase exit strategy, forgive me if I don't trust anything our so called leaders say or do
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

PM and berejiklian, all I'm hearing this morning is we are gunna let it run

Yes understand this, quantine fail, vaccine fail, we are clearly not ready, we could of been ready months ago, if these things were done properly, they weren't

Again we are clearly not ready how is phase 1a and 1b going, done yet no still not completed, forget that, now we have 70% & 80% our 4 phase exit strategy, forgive me if I don't trust anything our so called leaders say or do
doyle
Scomo and Gladys are not saying we are ready to let it run, they are saying we need to stick to the agreed vaccination targets.

No one is saying to open up earlier than planned, rather other Premiers are backtracking on the 80% target for no lockdowns and now saying lockdowns will still happen after 80%. That is frankly absurd. Melbourne will NEVER be out of lockdown if the Victorian Government goes down that path.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

The agreed vaccine targets are to low
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
PM and berejiklian, all I'm hearing this morning is we are gunna let it run

Yes understand this, quantine fail, vaccine fail, we are clearly not ready, we could of been ready months ago, if these things were done properly, they weren't

Again we are clearly not ready how is phase 1a and 1b going, done yet no still not completed, forget that, now we have 70% & 80% our 4 phase exit strategy, forgive me if I don't trust anything our so called leaders say or do
Scomo and Gladys are not saying we are ready to let it run, they are saying we need to stick to the agreed vaccination targets.

No one is saying to open up earlier than planned, rather other Premiers are backtracking on the 80% target for no lockdowns and now saying lockdowns will still happen after 80%. That is frankly absurd. Melbourne will NEVER be out of lockdown if the Victorian Government goes down that path.
Mr. Lane
At the current rate (assuming it can be sustained) NSW will get to the 70 / 80% thresholds first. It will be interesting to see what they do if they still have high case numbers at that time (which in theory they shouldn't with a high % vaxxed population)

As for Covid Zero look at New Zealand, even with all the work they have done Delta has got in and is off and running. Hopefully they get on top of it but there vax rate is pretty low by world standards (first article I could find at short notice) https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-covid-19-cases-jump-21-origin-outbreak-identified-2021-08-19/
  doyle Chief Commissioner

NSW has let it rip.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
NSW has let it rip.
doyle
New South Wales has not let it rip.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

The agreed vaccine targets are to low
doyle
So we throw out the Doherty report targets that we just agreed to? The over 70s will already be well over 80% vaccinated by the time the rest of the country reaches 80%.

Where do you draw the line?

Once everyone has had the opportunity to have had two shots then we should back away from lockdowns. That should be around November.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

NSW has let it rip.
doyle
No they haven't, the whole state is virtually in Stage 4 lockdown. You can blame governments for past failures, but we are nowhere near "letting it rip."
  303gunner Train Controller

As for Covid Zero look at New Zealand, even with all the work they have done Delta has got in and is off and running.
BrentonGolding
Has it been explained how the case in NZ emerged? It has been stated that it was introduced by a traveller from Aust on Aug 7, but not how. Was it a failure of quarantine, or long incubation?

There was another case in the NT of a traveller from the US who was in Quarantine for 14 days, got out and then became infected. Genome testing showed he had not caught it from any other person in Quarantine, his was a unique strain.

Is Delta hiding longer and showing much longer incubation periods, making detection of cases much harder in the early stages?
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

PM and berejiklian, all I'm hearing this morning is we are gunna let it run

Yes understand this, quantine fail, vaccine fail, we are clearly not ready, we could of been ready months ago, if these things were done properly, they weren't

Again we are clearly not ready how is phase 1a and 1b going, done yet no still not completed, forget that, now we have 70% & 80% our 4 phase exit strategy, forgive me if I don't trust anything our so called leaders say or do
Scomo and Gladys are not saying we are ready to let it run, they are saying we need to stick to the agreed vaccination targets.

No one is saying to open up earlier than planned, rather other Premiers are backtracking on the 80% target for no lockdowns and now saying lockdowns will still happen after 80%. That is frankly absurd. Melbourne will NEVER be out of lockdown if the Victorian Government goes down that path.
At the current rate (assuming it can be sustained) NSW will get to the 70 / 80% thresholds first. It will be interesting to see what they do if they still have high case numbers at that time (which in theory they shouldn't with a high % vaxxed population)

As for Covid Zero look at New Zealand, even with all the work they have done Delta has got in and is off and running. Hopefully they get on top of it but there vax rate is pretty low by world standards (first article I could find at short notice) https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-covid-19-cases-jump-21-origin-outbreak-identified-2021-08-19/
BrentonGolding
This is the other infuriating thing though...the vaccines WONT keep case numbers low, they have some effectiveness in reducing spread but it will still spread exponentially. A highly vaxxed population doesn't mean low case numbers.

As for NZ, stuff em. Jacinta Adern is blaming NSW for the outbreak in NZ rather than NZs own border controls.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
And what the Queensland health minister said about giving AZ to 18 year olds is exactly what the Dr on Friday told me in regards to fizzer for my 18 year old young bloke. Wait till next month when it becomes available, for that age cohort, if we've got any. Three week wait until your second dose as against 12 for AZ and done quicker.
As for Morrison his bollocks change every three days after he comes out of hiding, and that's only to blame someone else for his incompetence and stupidity. He's probably surpassed Abbott as worst Australian PM with his policy failures, if his word salads would even qualify as policies.
wobert
This is ot just the case for Pfizer in kids, but all.

All good if there is 2nd dose is readily available, but right now they were at least delaying the 2nd dose to get more people with 1st dose.


Queensland’s chief health officer, Jeannette Young, has rejected concerns from fellow health experts that she “undermined” confidence in the national Covid vaccine program, a day after voicing strong opposition to people under 40 receiving the [color=#c70000][size=3][font=GuardianTextEgyptian, "Guardian Text Egyptian Web", Georgia, serif]AstraZeneca[/font][/size][/color] jab.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/queensland-chief-health-officer-jeannette-youngs-refusal-to-backdown-over-astrazeneca-stance-is-downright-dangerous/news-story/a6030aaf8cf2aa9e6645e4404e91caae

This was my main reference.

Publicly stating her opposition to the AZ jab for under 40's was unprofessional and wrng because the population she is supposed to be giving direction to are largely stupid and this created more confusion that it resolved. If she opposed, it should have between her and the rest of the National Cabinet. Not a $hit fight in the media.

And BTW, who across the board comments for opposiion
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

In this day and age and considering the dumb $hot level of intellgence in that crowd and their support base, yes it was justified.
Unless its something you believe in which case it's police brutality.
don_dunstan
The police didn't walk into the street with the deliberate and organised intent to break the law. These thick as brick dumb $hits did. A number of police were sent to hospital indicating there was no intention by some for a peaceful protest. No mask, no social distance, not being where yor not supposed to be, the list goes on.

The police were actually soft.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
This doesn't mean let it rip, which is clearly not possible at the moment and is obvious to anyone who is thinking logically rather than ideologically, but COVID Zero in the fullness of time is simply not possible and anyone who thinks it is is delusional.

Yes understand this, quantine fail, vaccine fail, we are clearly not ready, we could of been ready months ago, if these things were done properly, they weren't

The vaccinations work well, the vast bulk of double-dose people who have died of COVID, and there are very few, were already very, very sick.

Again we are clearly not ready how is phase 1a and 1b going, done yet no still not completed, forget that, now we have 70% & 80% our 4 phase exit strategy, forgive me if I don't trust anything our so called leaders say or do
doyle
Ok, whats your "what we should have done eariler" detailed suggestions?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud

In this day and age and considering the dumb $hot level of intellgence in that crowd and their support base, yes it was justified.
Unless its something you believe in which case it's police brutality.The police didn't walk into the street with the deliberate and organised intent to break the law. These thick as brick dumb $hits did. A number of police were sent to hospital indicating there was no intention by some for a peaceful protest. No mask, no social distance, not being where yor not supposed to be, the list goes on.

The police were actually soft.
RTT_Rules
BLM were also breaking the law, why wasn't their march greeted with the same brutality?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The agreed vaccine targets are to low
doyle

So you think 70 - 80% of the elibigle population is too low? And how do you propose to get it higher considering even in juristictions where the govt has far more authorotative control than that of democractic Australia which has a growing history of appeasing to the invidual over the community and everything needs to be explained in minute detail because too many have nothing better to do than look for "what if senario's"? ie pandering to the anti-vax and worse, "I'm not anti-vax but...".

Even in the non-democratic countries gettig above 85% is appearing to be a near impossible task. Might be worth a read in what the AD govt is introducing to force vccinations to rise above 80% and this includes children. There is no way any democratic country will likely exceed 70-80%.

Give people the oppurtunity then life returns to normal and the taxpayer picks up the ICU and welfare bill from the anti-vax deaths. Unfortunately they will take a few others with them.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
PM and berejiklian, all I'm hearing this morning is we are gunna let it run

Yes understand this, quantine fail, vaccine fail, we are clearly not ready, we could of been ready months ago, if these things were done properly, they weren't

Again we are clearly not ready how is phase 1a and 1b going, done yet no still not completed, forget that, now we have 70% & 80% our 4 phase exit strategy, forgive me if I don't trust anything our so called leaders say or do
Scomo and Gladys are not saying we are ready to let it run, they are saying we need to stick to the agreed vaccination targets.

No one is saying to open up earlier than planned, rather other Premiers are backtracking on the 80% target for no lockdowns and now saying lockdowns will still happen after 80%. That is frankly absurd. Melbourne will NEVER be out of lockdown if the Victorian Government goes down that path.
Mr. Lane
Well said
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
BLM were also breaking the law, why wasn't their march greeted with the same brutality?
don_dunstan
BLM was in the USA and non-related tread to this topic.

For the record, I do not support any protest that breaks the law as once you break the law its called anarchy which at its extreme level is a revolution and/or breakdown of society. If you physically go to harm a police officer, enjoy the beating as its well deserved! If the cop is operating outside their level of authority then >9/10 times in Australia it started with you, your mouth and/or your physical actions. Don't like what the cop says, then leave it to the judge to sort out.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
At the current rate (assuming it can be sustained) NSW will get to the 70 / 80% thresholds first. It will be interesting to see what they do if they still have high case numbers at that time (which in theory they shouldn't with a high % vaxxed population)

As for Covid Zero look at New Zealand, even with all the work they have done Delta has got in and is off and running. Hopefully they get on top of it but there vax rate is pretty low by world standards (first article I could find at short notice) https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-covid-19-cases-jump-21-origin-outbreak-identified-2021-08-19/
BrentonGolding
Remains to be seen if NZ has acted fast enough.

At high rates of vaccination the metric is new cases, rather ICU occupancy and deaths and vacciation status. Israel has around 75% pfizer vaccination and new cases similar to last year, but a fraction of th deaths and more than likely most are not vaccinated.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
BLM were also breaking the law, why wasn't their march greeted with the same brutality?
BLM was in the USA and non-related tread to this topic.

For the record, I do not support any protest that breaks the law as once you break the law its called anarchy which at its extreme level is a revolution and/or breakdown of society. If you physically go to harm a police officer, enjoy the beating as its well deserved! If the cop is operating outside their level of authority then >9/10 times in Australia it started with you, your mouth and/or your physical actions. Don't like what the cop says, then leave it to the judge to sort out.
RTT_Rules
Not true.

If you had been living here at the time you would have seen the very public and very illegal "Black Lives Matter" demonstrations that happened in nearly every capital city that were tacitly (but not officially) approved by those in charge despite the fact that (in the case of Melbourne) they occurred in the middle of a hard-lockdown.

But you weren't living here so you don't know.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The police used this type of weapon on the protestors this weekend

bevans
The police should have gone harder frankly - perhaps some slightly softened ceramic, and tear gas dispensed not from canister, but from low flying air tractor.

'Teh Guvement'  also have that mm wave 5G technology, didn't they use that too? They should have.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
bevans
'UNARMED protesters' - first lesson, no one said it had to be an even sided contest, in fact it was quite well advised that they were not there in the first place, quite frankly, he shouldn't have been either...
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
*sigh* If only we could swap the protesters with Afghan refugees.
DirtyBallast
Who would probably be queuing up for the chance of a vaccination, and understand the importance of staying within your home for safety!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
BLM were also breaking the law, why wasn't their march greeted with the same brutality?
BLM was in the USA and non-related tread to this topic.

For the record, I do not support any protest that breaks the law as once you break the law its called anarchy which at its extreme level is a revolution and/or breakdown of society. If you physically go to harm a police officer, enjoy the beating as its well deserved! If the cop is operating outside their level of authority then >9/10 times in Australia it started with you, your mouth and/or your physical actions. Don't like what the cop says, then leave it to the judge to sort out.
Not true.

If you had been living here at the time you would have seen the very public and very illegal "Black Lives Matter" demonstrations that happened in nearly every capital city that were tacitly (but not officially) approved by those in charge despite the fact that (in the case of Melbourne) they occurred in the middle of a hard-lockdown.

But you weren't living here so you don't know.
don_dunstan
Who gives a $hit what people protest for. Thats the great thing about democracy, however we still have rules and if you step out, then prepared to get your ar$e handed back to you.

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