The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

The line has been drawn. It's 80% double dose. I think it would be political suicide for any state to pull back from that now and persist with citywide lockdowns beyond that time.
The herd immunity threshold is not yet known, so we can't pre-determine the required uptake for ending lockdowns. That plan may need to change. We want to see a lot more at some point next year, something like 199,990 doses per 200,000 people.
Myrtone
The line has been drawn. It's 80% double dose. I think it would be political suicide for any state to pull back from that now and persist with citywide lockdowns beyond that time.

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  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

I know that it may well be political suicide/martyrdom but the time will come when Morrison and Frydenberg will have to say to the recalcitrant States 'enough is enough and if you continue with your political lockdowns there will be no federal money to support them'.

By all means have realistic restrictions, unlike Victoria, where they become both ever more draconian, unenforceable and obeyed by fewer.

IF masks are useful, for example, either enforce the rules or abandon them.
YM-Mundrabilla
Honestly I feel like they have given up on enforcement ages ago. They just throw blanket bans on things and rely on a good- enough proportion of people doing the right thing. They will certainly be discussing in cabinet how long they can rely on compliance.

Warm weather coming in Melbourne this week. Expect outdoor mask wearing to be taken as a joke. Which is far enough as there have still never been any confirmed cases of transmissions outdoors.

The idea that outdoor mask wearing "sends a message" is smeg. We all know we are in a lockdown.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Sweden worked? I presume that you acknowledge there is only one Sweden, so I am left to question what your definition of ‘worked’ is?

Sweden has 40.5% of our population, 2,242% more COVID infections and 1,479% more COVID deaths, I wish they were typos, I really do.

If went the same way as Sweden, Australia would have expected 2,762,210 COVID cases and expected 36,217 deaths due to COVID.

Sweden age standardised suicide rates per 100k population*

2020 - 11
2019 - 12
2018 - 13
2017 - 12
2016 - 11

* I don’t think these are very well standardised, and I suspect there is a lot of rounding in these numbers.

Australia age standardised suicide rates per 100k population

2019 - 12.9
2018 - 12.1
2017 - 13
2016 - 12.1

In contrast to the Swedish data I think the Australia data looks to be likely very well recorded and standardised statistics.

Now you will astutely note that there is no 2020 data available for Australia yet, BUT I can tell you this, the standardised state numbers return Victoria (the most locked down state) with the lowest numbers, followed by NSW (the second most heavily locked down state), followed by SA, ACT, WA, TAS, QLD, and NT with sadly, the highest adjusted suicide rate.

So your correlation/causation arguments are a bit askew there.

Factor in Sweden’s most excessive COVID death rate and I think sensible people will take the extra 1 (ish) death per 100k to suicide in preference to killing an extra 137 per 100k with COVID.
Aaron
Well researched Aaron.

Without spending the same level of effort as you, the suicide rate issue has been well discussed in the media for the USA and UK at least. I believe there was some articles for Oz as well and in all cases there was no evidence to suggest the lock downs had increased suicide rates. Yes antidotal evidence but its there to be searched by the non-believers.

On the other hand the USA mortality rate according to CDC data freely available on their website clearly shows a significant rise in death causes by respiratory failure during 2020. All up the USA incurred arund ~300,000 more total deaths in 2020 than the fairly constant previous years. Of which 500,000 are blamed on CV-19 which indicates what is known that the lockdowns reduced the overall mortality rate due to the near absence of flu related deaths etc.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
And like I have also have said here, you are completely scared of the Vaccines, otherwise you wouldn't spend half your life on here by putting them down.
The more this thread goes on, the more irrational and the more BS the mouth from the south comments seem to become.
I know right, since when did Pfizer Vaccine hearings have to be made public Rolling Eyes, it's like it's a massive world conspiracy where all the Govts of the world are in on "the big plan".
lsrailfan
200 + country's in the world, some at war or conflict at each other for decades. Yet somehow the idiots and anti-vaxers of the world seem to think on this they can all conspire together for this long without a leak. The stupidity from the CV-19 outbreak is doing more harm than the diesease and unfortunately old mate Don is a keen target auidence by the people who have nothing to do but stir up the confused.
  303gunner Train Controller

It is fairly obvious by some of the comments that most people on here have never bothered to read and absorb the Australian Constitution.  Before you go advocating for things to be compulsory or mandatory I suggest you read it, before some smart Ambulance Chasing Law Firm like Slater and Gordon empty your bank account.
As for being "vaccinated" none of the currently available drugs are Vaccines in the true sense of the word, they don't stop you contracting Covid nor passing it on.  At best they can be described as a blocker, which should stop you from the worst effects if or more likely when you contract Covid.  Why are you so scared of people not being "vaccinated" if you are and believe the Government propoganda then you have nothing to fear have you.  If on the other hand the propganda messages "It will only take 2 weeks to flatten the curve and  We are all in this together etc" have worn thin then join the long line of citizens who have had enough of the Premiers and their Jack Booted approach to removing your guaranteed Civil Liberties afforded by the Constitution.  As an aside not one of them has lost one cent in income, in fact most, if not all have generously given themselves and their Public Servants pay rises.
I agree with you 100%.
I have had a gutful of the being told me must destroy our quality of life and free enterprise based society just to prolong the lives by a few years of mainly geriatric people in aged care.
Yes its indeed sad that covid may kill them but the cost to the other 97% of society who have no risk of dying has to count for something to.
Simply put the rest of us have suffered enough.
Sunbird
His children will never know their father, but perhaps they will be comforted to know his rights were never infringed?

https://au.yahoo.com/news/dad-of-four-30-who-organised-anti-covid-rally-dies-from-virus-054746631.html
  doyle Chief Commissioner

It's kind of sad and with a hint of bizarre that this covid thingy is getting these anti vaxers and non covid believers.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The line has been drawn. It's 80% double dose. I think it would be political suicide for any state to pull back from that now and persist with citywide lockdowns beyond that time.
The herd immunity threshold is not yet known, so we can't pre-determine the required uptake for ending lockdowns. That plan may need to change. We want to see a lot more at some point next year, something like 199,990 doses per 200,000 people.
Myrtone
smeg, you’re an idiot.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Speaking of Covid deniers, there was a big expose I think on 4 Corner's a couple of weeks ago, where a website called Qanon was getting a lot of people hooked into believing Covid was just a scam, I'm not just talking about run of the mill folk either, actually smart people, who you would think would believe better, actually believe this rubbish! , I'm actually going to give Don Dunstan some credit here, some of the topics that he has posted on have been quite intellectual!! surely he himself can't believe the tripe that he posts about Covid!!
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
It is fairly obvious by some of the comments that most people on here have never bothered to read and absorb the Australian Constitution.  Before you go advocating for things to be compulsory or mandatory I suggest you read it, before some smart Ambulance Chasing Law Firm like Slater and Gordon empty your bank account.
As for being "vaccinated" none of the currently available drugs are Vaccines in the true sense of the word, they don't stop you contracting Covid nor passing it on.  At best they can be described as a blocker, which should stop you from the worst effects if or more likely when you contract Covid.  Why are you so scared of people not being "vaccinated" if you are and believe the Government propoganda then you have nothing to fear have you.  If on the other hand the propganda messages "It will only take 2 weeks to flatten the curve and  We are all in this together etc" have worn thin then join the long line of citizens who have had enough of the Premiers and their Jack Booted approach to removing your guaranteed Civil Liberties afforded by the Constitution.  As an aside not one of them has lost one cent in income, in fact most, if not all have generously given themselves and their Public Servants pay rises.
I agree with you 100%.
I have had a gutful of the being told me must destroy our quality of life and free enterprise based society just to prolong the lives by a few years of mainly geriatric people in aged care.
Yes its indeed sad that covid may kill them but the cost to the other 97% of society who have no risk of dying has to count for something to.
Simply put the rest of us have suffered enough.
His children will never know their father, but perhaps they will be comforted to know his rights were never infringed?

https://au.yahoo.com/news/dad-of-four-30-who-organised-anti-covid-rally-dies-from-virus-054746631.html
303gunner
Sadly I have heard of way to many stories like this out of the States Sad
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Sweden worked?

When compared with other, similar European countries - yes.
don_dunstan
No.

Come on, at least try, you’re running dangerously close to me confusing you with mytrone.

To recap.

Sweden:
Population: 10,409,248
COVID cases: 1,120,000 - 10,760 per 100k
COVID deaths: 14,685 - 141 per 100k

Norway:
Population: 5,391,369
COVID cases: 156,000 - 2,894 per 100k
COVID deaths: 15 - per 100k

Finland:
Population: 5,516,224
COVID cases: 125,000 - 2,266 per 100k
COVID deaths: 1,022 -  19 per 100k

Denmark:
Population: 5,827,463
COVID cases: 343,000 - 5,886 per 100k
COVID deaths: 2,577 - 44 per 100k

Iceland:
Population: 364,134
COVID cases: 10,605 - 2,912 per 100k
COVID deaths: 32 - 9 per 100k

Greenland:
Population: 56,081
COVID cases: 329 - 587 per 100k
COVID deaths: 0

Faroe Islands:
Population: 48,678
COVID cases: 999 - 2,052 per 100k
COVID deaths: 2 - 4 per 100k

So in which 'similar European countries' am I supposed to be making the comparison? Germany?

Population: 83,149,300
COVID cases: 3,930,000 - 4,726 per 100k
COVID deaths: 92,136 - 110 per 100k


Sweden are solid orders of magnitude worse off!

Stop making this so easy!

You go on in your response to say "a few suicides". Rubbish! There's much more to lock-downs than just 'a few suicides', you out of  all people have the intelligence to recognise that there are scars from this thing that are going to last for decades on a huge swathe of the population and yet like the various little dictatorships across Australia you don't want to qualify or quantify who those victims are, what damage has been done or what the alternatives might have been to destroying hundreds of thousands of businesses, jobs, mortgages, futures.

Not one of you had the stones to tackle my observation that Andrews had been covering up the fact that teenage mental health hospital admissions are up by a huge amount: Why? Because you don't want to acknowledge the victims of these lock-downs is the only answer I can come up with. Andrews was asked a few weeks ago about the 800% increase in the suicide of teenage girls in his state and his only response was "you can't say for sure it was the lock-downs".

Callous, disgusting.
don_dunstan
Did you not look at the figures I supplied you? Did you not read where I said that the Swedish data looks poorly standardised? Despite that, did you not notice that Australia's suicide figures normalised for age and depicted against Sweden's similarly adjusted figures are within 1 per 100k every year, both during and pre COVID? THERE ARE NO EXCESS SUICIDES DUE TO COVID LOCKDOWNS! I gave you the numbers!

IF the lockdowns are so bad and causing so many suicides why are the states with the longest, 'hardest' lockdowns the states with the lowest suicide rate?

Even IF you attribute the 0.8 increase in suicide rate in 2019 to COVID lockdowns, (though you have your work cut out for you to explain 2017), lockdowns have still SAVED in excess of 100 extra deaths per 100k due to COVID.

Andrew's is absolutely right! That might sound callous, but jumping to a potentially unsupported conclusion on a single statistic is foolish. Correlation is not causation.

Whilst young female suicides have increased, young male suicides have decreased in the same period. Not only that, whilst young female suicides have seemingly increased steeply on last year, last year was a very low count, and taken against 2017 and 2018 the apparent increase is only 'half as bad', last year was just an inexplicably low year for that statistic in that demographic.

In contrast, young male suicides are down in comparison to pre COVID 2018 and 2019 figures, so you're suggesting we keep the men in lockdown because it's better for their mental health?

The report is actually quite good, and it makes a point of stating that 'whilst there may be substantial fluctuations in suicide frequencies within particular groups, they usually even out over time.' - Except the reporter(s) (and Don) likely didn't read that, despite it being absolutely true, AND not so co-incidentally, appearing in every copy of the report I could be bothered looking at, even all the reports last year which I have already said featured unusually low numbers for young female suicides.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Nice to see Don has a bit of respect for life now, seems he's turned a leaf since he claimed Covid deaths weren't important  because they were all pathetic oldies or morbidly obese, economic drains on society basically, and we're all going to die anyway so it doesn't matter if it's covid, old age, a sex-crime murder, whatever. And where does this 800% increase number come from? I found a reference to 8 in total, so did it go up from 1 to 8?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Speaking of Covid deniers, there was a big expose I think on 4 Corner's a couple of weeks ago, where a website called Qanon was getting a lot of people hooked into believing Covid was just a scam, I'm not just talking about run of the mill folk either, actually smart people, who you would think would believe better, actually believe this rubbish! , I'm actually going to give Don Dunstan some credit here, some of the topics that he has posted on have been quite intellectual!! surely he himself can't believe the tripe that he posts about Covid!!
lsrailfan

Similar to Fox News in US which will broadcast and support any conspiracy theory relating to COVID and uphold and support the 'right's' of anti-vaccers and other nutters to exercise their freedom not vaccinate.

Now we have these nutters using cattle/horse worming medicines on themselves. Many medical facilities have had enough and anti-vacced COVID admittances are being charged up-front because they are taking the bed of a genuinely ill patient.

Moreover, the more of these nutters that die of COVID is a loss to the Republican Party which supports them as overwhelmingly they voted conservative.

Footnote: the representative from SA is out on a limb. The facts have been clearly stated yet he persists with cold, calculated economics. Old and fat people can die... they are a burden on society anyway.

Callous and obscene thinking, similar to the Nazi party during the war.

Mike.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Again, apropos Covid deniers - reported on Nine News:-

"A man who led efforts in his central Texas community against mask-wearing and other preventative measures during the coronavirus pandemic has died from Covid-19, a month after being admitted to the emergency room.

He was 30 years old and a father of three. His wife is pregnant with their fourth child.

“Caleb has peacefully passed on,” Jessica Wallace wrote. “He will forever live in our hearts and minds.”
On 4 July 2020, Caleb Wallace helped organize The Freedom Rally in San Angelo. People at the event carried signs that criticized the wearing of masks, business closures, the science behind Covid-19 and liberal media.
He also organized a group, The San Angelo Freedom Defenders.
“We are not real happy with the current state of America at the moment,” Wallace said in July 2020.
In April this year, he wrote to the San Angelo school district, demanding it rescind all Covid-19 protocols.
Jessica Wallace told the newspaper her husband began experiencing Covid symptoms on 26 July but refused to get tested or go to the hospital. He instead took high doses of Vitamin C, zinc aspirin and ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medicine used for livestock that officials have urged people not to take for Covid-19.
He was taken to an emergency room on 30 July. Since 8 August he had been unconscious and on a ventilator."


I think it's called karma, and I hope others heed it.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria

Similar to Fox News in US which will broadcast and support any conspiracy theory relating to COVID and uphold and support the 'right's' of anti-vaccers and other nutters to exercise their freedom not vaccinate.

Now we have these nutters using cattle/horse worming medicines on themselves. Many medical facilities have had enough and anti-vacced COVID admittances are being charged up-front because they are taking the bed of a genuinely ill patient.

Moreover, the more of these nutters that die of COVID is a loss to the Republican Party which supports them as overwhelmingly they voted conservative.

Footnote: the representative from SA is out on a limb. The facts have been clearly stated yet he persists with cold, calculated economics. Old and fat people can die... they are a burden on society anyway.

Callous and obscene thinking, similar to the Nazi party during the war.
The Vinelander
I've noticed that this thinking is quite a right wing thing. For example, those who disapprove of homosexual behaviour are more likely to be like this than those who support same sex marriage.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
And where does this 800% increase number come from? I found a reference to 8 in total, so did it go up from 1 to 8?
billybaxter
Yes, Victorian YTD (end of July) women/girls under 18 suicides in 2020 was 1, in 2021 it is 8. This is where the MEANINGLESS 800% comes from.

In 2017 that same figure was 3, 2018 it was 4 and 2019 it was 3, ergo, 1 in 2020 looks to be just a single, low, outlier, which artificially exposes 2021's 8 to look really bad - but it could just still be normal because...

In reality, the published data for YTD end of August 2020 (we are not there in 2021 yet), shows figures of 3 in 2016, 5 in both 2017 and 2018, 8 in 2019 and the single 1 still in 2020.

So 2021 is not likely to be significantly different from 2019, with 2020 being the low outlier still.

In a week or so when the data YTD 2021 is published and is hence not nearly a month out of date, I suspect we will likely see that 2019 and 2021 look similar with 2020 odd.

It's not that the lockdowns have increased teenage girl suicides, if it has, Don and whomever he is agreeing with, need to explain WTF was going so wrong in 2019 - COVID wasn't even known then, and yet it was an equally terrible time for young women.

Not going too dark, we would need to see data on 'means and method' - perhaps it was the lockdowns in 2020 that prevented these young women from buying the 'equipment' they needed to undertake their actions, though even that poses the questions of why such things are more available under the current arrangements.

Perhaps as simply noted in these reports every month for the last however many years you can be bothered looking 'Whilst there may be substantial fluctuations in suicide frequencies within particular groups, they usually even out over time.'
  doyle Chief Commissioner

I've noticed that this thinking is quite a right wing thing. For example, those who disapprove of homosexual behaviour are more likely to be like this than those who support same sex marriage.

what????????
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Unbelievable, F U gladys

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2021/08/30/michael-pascoe-coronavirus-freedom-triage/
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Unbelievable, F U gladys

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2021/08/30/michael-pascoe-coronavirus-freedom-triage/
wobert
Stated, NSW. doesn’t do lockdowns, hmmmm.
Stated, health system will cope, sure.

She’s off with the fairies.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
No.

Come on, at least try, you’re running dangerously close to me confusing you with mytrone.

To recap.

Sweden:
Population: 10,409,248
COVID cases: 1,120,000 - 10,760 per 100k
COVID deaths: 14,685 - 141 per 100k

Norway:
Population: 5,391,369
COVID cases: 156,000 - 2,894 per 100k
COVID deaths: 15 - per 100k

Finland:
Population: 5,516,224
COVID cases: 125,000 - 2,266 per 100k
COVID deaths: 1,022 -  19 per 100k

Denmark:
Population: 5,827,463
COVID cases: 343,000 - 5,886 per 100k
COVID deaths: 2,577 - 44 per 100k

Iceland:
Population: 364,134
COVID cases: 10,605 - 2,912 per 100k
COVID deaths: 32 - 9 per 100k

Greenland:
Population: 56,081
COVID cases: 329 - 587 per 100k
COVID deaths: 0

Faroe Islands:
Population: 48,678
COVID cases: 999 - 2,052 per 100k
COVID deaths: 2 - 4 per 100k

So in which 'similar European countries' am I supposed to be making the comparison? Germany?

Population: 83,149,300
COVID cases: 3,930,000 - 4,726 per 100k
COVID deaths: 92,136 - 110 per 100k


Sweden are solid orders of magnitude worse off!

Stop making this so easy!
Aaron
Sweden's overall death rate from this thing (fatalities per 100,000) is LOW compared to the UK (hard lock-downs) and the rest of Central Europe. Cherry-picking a few outliers isn't an argument, that was really quite feeble of you.

I mean the Faroe Islands? C'mon Aaron, I'm not an idiot.
Did you not look at the figures I supplied you? Did you not read where I said that the Swedish data looks poorly standardised? Despite that, did you not notice that Australia's suicide figures normalised for age and depicted against Sweden's similarly adjusted figures are within 1 per 100k every year, both during and pre COVID? THERE ARE NO EXCESS SUICIDES DUE TO COVID LOCKDOWNS! I gave you the numbers! IF the lockdowns are so bad and causing so many suicides why are the states with the longest, 'hardest' lockdowns the states with the lowest suicide rate? Even IF you attribute the 0.8 increase in suicide rate in 2019 to COVID lockdowns, (though you have your work cut out for you to explain 2017), lockdowns have still SAVED in excess of 100 extra deaths per 100k due to COVID. Andrew's is absolutely right! That might sound callous, but jumping to a potentially unsupported conclusion on a single statistic is foolish. Correlation is not causation. Whilst young female suicides have increased, young male suicides have decreased in the same period. Not only that, whilst young female suicides have seemingly increased steeply on last year, last year was a very low count, and taken against 2017 and 2018 the apparent increase is only 'half as bad', last year was just an inexplicably low year for that statistic in that demographic. In contrast, young male suicides are down in comparison to pre COVID 2018 and 2019 figures, so you're suggesting we keep the men in lockdown because it's better for their mental health? The report is actually quite good, and it makes a point of stating that 'whilst there may be substantial fluctuations in suicide frequencies within particular groups, they usually even out over time.' - Except the reporter(s) (and Don) likely didn't read that, despite it being absolutely true, AND not so co-incidentally, appearing in every copy of the report I could be bothered looking at, even all the reports last year which I have already said featured unusually low numbers for young female suicides.
Aaron
So complete coincidence that the teenage female suicide rate went up 800% during lock-down? Rubbish.

It will take a while but there's a mental health toll to lock-downs that isn't being made public. The Australian has been belling the cat pointing out that there's all sort of adverse mental health outcomes being measured like teenage admissions to hospital over mental health, doctor prescriptions for psychotropic drugs etc etc. and governments like Andrews are either not releasing that information to the public or they're just ignoring it.

It will come out eventually.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
And where does this 800% increase number come from? I found a reference to 8 in total, so did it go up from 1 to 8?
Yes, Victorian YTD (end of July) women/girls under 18 suicides in 2020 was 1, in 2021 it is 8. This is where the MEANINGLESS 800% comes from.

In 2017 that same figure was 3, 2018 it was 4 and 2019 it was 3, ergo, 1 in 2020 looks to be just a single, low, outlier, which artificially exposes 2021's 8 to look really bad - but it could just still be normal because...

In reality, the published data for YTD end of August 2020 (we are not there in 2021 yet), shows figures of 3 in 2016, 5 in both 2017 and 2018, 8 in 2019 and the single 1 still in 2020.

So 2021 is not likely to be significantly different from 2019, with 2020 being the low outlier still.

In a week or so when the data YTD 2021 is published and is hence not nearly a month out of date, I suspect we will likely see that 2019 and 2021 look similar with 2020 odd.

It's not that the lockdowns have increased teenage girl suicides, if it has, Don and whomever he is agreeing with, need to explain WTF was going so wrong in 2019 - COVID wasn't even known then, and yet it was an equally terrible time for young women.

Not going too dark, we would need to see data on 'means and method' - perhaps it was the lockdowns in 2020 that prevented these young women from buying the 'equipment' they needed to undertake their actions, though even that poses the questions of why such things are more available under the current arrangements.

Perhaps as simply noted in these reports every month for the last however many years you can be bothered looking 'Whilst there may be substantial fluctuations in suicide frequencies within particular groups, they usually even out over time.'
Aaron
These are people's lives, Aaron.

You strike me as someone who would be saying 'this is pure alarmism' right up to the point where it affects your family personally - in which case you'd be screaming like a stuck pig about how evil it is.

We got off very lightly here - show some gratitude that it wasn't your family who needed to be drugged up just to get through.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Again, apropos Covid deniers - reported on Nine News:-

"A man who led efforts in his central Texas community against mask-wearing and other preventative measures during the coronavirus pandemic has died from Covid-19, a month after being admitted to the emergency room.

He was 30 years old and a father of three. His wife is pregnant with their fourth child.

“Caleb has peacefully passed on,” Jessica Wallace wrote. “He will forever live in our hearts and minds.”
On 4 July 2020, Caleb Wallace helped organize The Freedom Rally in San Angelo. People at the event carried signs that criticized the wearing of masks, business closures, the science behind Covid-19 and liberal media.
He also organized a group, The San Angelo Freedom Defenders.
“We are not real happy with the current state of America at the moment,” Wallace said in July 2020.
In April this year, he wrote to the San Angelo school district, demanding it rescind all Covid-19 protocols.
Jessica Wallace told the newspaper her husband began experiencing Covid symptoms on 26 July but refused to get tested or go to the hospital. He instead took high doses of Vitamin C, zinc aspirin and ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medicine used for livestock that officials have urged people not to take for Covid-19.
He was taken to an emergency room on 30 July. Since 8 August he had been unconscious and on a ventilator."


I think it's called karma, and I hope others heed it.
Valvegear
I don't get the celebration of the death of another human being as 'karma'. Would you like us to all celebrate your death in that way saying you got what you deserved?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Speaking of Covid deniers, there was a big expose I think on 4 Corner's a couple of weeks ago, where a website called Qanon was getting a lot of people hooked into believing Covid was just a scam, I'm not just talking about run of the mill folk either, actually smart people, who you would think would believe better, actually believe this rubbish! , I'm actually going to give Don Dunstan some credit here, some of the topics that he has posted on have been quite intellectual!! surely he himself can't believe the tripe that he posts about Covid!!

Similar to Fox News in US which will broadcast and support any conspiracy theory relating to COVID and uphold and support the 'right's' of anti-vaccers and other nutters to exercise their freedom not vaccinate.

Now we have these nutters using cattle/horse worming medicines on themselves. Many medical facilities have had enough and anti-vacced COVID admittances are being charged up-front because they are taking the bed of a genuinely ill patient.

Moreover, the more of these nutters that die of COVID is a loss to the Republican Party which supports them as overwhelmingly they voted conservative.

Footnote: the representative from SA is out on a limb. The facts have been clearly stated yet he persists with cold, calculated economics. Old and fat people can die... they are a burden on society anyway.

Callous and obscene thinking, similar to the Nazi party during the war.

Mike.
The Vinelander
You just think money grows on trees, don't you Mike.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Unbelievable, F U gladys

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2021/08/30/michael-pascoe-coronavirus-freedom-triage/
Stated, NSW. doesn’t do lockdowns, hmmmm.
Stated, health system will cope, sure.

She’s off with the fairies.
michaelgm
NSW ICU is at 58%, so so far its coping.

However it would appear the days of COVID zero in NSW, Vic and NZ are over and the rest of Australia isn't far behind.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Speaking of Covid deniers, there was a big expose I think on 4 Corner's a couple of weeks ago, where a website called Qanon was getting a lot of people hooked into believing Covid was just a scam, I'm not just talking about run of the mill folk either, actually smart people, who you would think would believe better, actually believe this rubbish! , I'm actually going to give Don Dunstan some credit here, some of the topics that he has posted on have been quite intellectual!! surely he himself can't believe the tripe that he posts about Covid!!
lsrailfan
While Don keeps posting this anti CV, heartless and more often than not complete bull $hit that any idiot should be able to see through, I would not him credit for anything.  Early on yes fair enough for some people to have varying opnions as the data was not clear and still evoloving. But after 18mths, seriously you'd have to be a complete fool to start quoting Sweden as reference point on how to manage CV.

At no point through any of his whinging has he ever offered a solution or an alternative, just smeg about what ever is being done as wrong.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
NSW recorded a new daily record of 1,290 local COVID19 cases in the past 24 hours and sadly, four further deaths.

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