46th President of the United States -

 
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
His understanding. In the link I posted above containing a clip, an advisor? In the background in the background is clearly visible cringing.
Again - so what? He makes one mistake repeating back information he's been briefed on.

Seriously, you still want to talk about that?
You said it was fake news. Didn’t you? And yet, you will continue to defend an intellectual guppie.
Im satisfied to walk away, but,,,,,
michaelgm
So no comment on Nancy Pelosi's shocking error of judgement then.

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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

His understanding. In the link I posted above containing a clip, an advisor? In the background in the background is clearly visible cringing.
Again - so what? He makes one mistake repeating back information he's been briefed on.

Seriously, you still want to talk about that?
You said it was fake news. Didn’t you? And yet, you will continue to defend an intellectual guppie.
Im satisfied to walk away, but,,,,,
So no comment on Nancy Pelosi's shocking error of judgement then.
don_dunstan
Just deflection, from the issue. SOP.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
His understanding. In the link I posted above containing a clip, an advisor? In the background in the background is clearly visible cringing.
Again - so what? He makes one mistake repeating back information he's been briefed on.

Seriously, you still want to talk about that?
You said it was fake news. Didn’t you? And yet, you will continue to defend an intellectual guppie.
Im satisfied to walk away, but,,,,,
michaelgm
Yes, it's good to keep poking the bear.

M.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

If you want to remember something utterly, utterly stupid from the outbreak of COVID19 last year - recall Nancy Pelosi telling everyone that fear of COVID19 is racist and that Trump was racist for thinking about stopping flights from China. Yes, that's right - they actually tried to stop Trump from closing the borders.

And yet everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten just how irresponsible and wrong the Democrats were.

don_dunstan
On January 31, the White House announced not only that travel was being restricted (though not entirely banned) from China to prevent the spread of coronavirus, but also the expansion of Executive Order 13780, a 2017 order from President Trump that limits travel from certain countries the government considers high risk for terrorism from entering the U.S.

When Pelosi voiced opposition to a travel ban, she was referring to the expansion of the 2017 order, not the coronavirus travel restrictions. The Dispatch Fact Check

I have little love for Nancy Pelosi, but your assertions about her has been de-bunked and is nothing but a busted flush.

Next.


Mannie
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller


I will believe the BBC report where Trump, who you obviously still have a man love admiration for suggested disinfectant, but bleach also gets a mention.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177

"US President Donald Trump has been lambasted by the medical community after suggesting research into whether coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body.
He also appeared to propose irradiating patients' bodies with UV light, an idea dismissed by a doctor at the briefing.
Another of his officials had moments earlier said sunlight and disinfectant were known to kill the infection.
Disinfectants are hazardous substances and can be poisonous if ingested."


Mike.He was repeating back to the media his understanding of what the scientists had said in a briefing.

Biden says more outrageous things before lunchtime and none of you jump onto that.

Anyway - you're right - this is thread is NOT about Trump - take it to the (still active) Trump thread if you want to whinge about that.
don_dunstan
Biden says more outrageous things before lunchtime and none of you jump onto that.

Like what? Evidence Please.


Mannie
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Don's obsessed with Biden. Can't keep away. Made three or four attempts to get this thread going and now persists in posting outrgeous rubbish every few days to bump the thread up. Pathetic.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
If you want to remember something utterly, utterly stupid from the outbreak of COVID19 last year - recall Nancy Pelosi telling everyone that fear of COVID19 is racist and that Trump was racist for thinking about stopping flights from China. Yes, that's right - they actually tried to stop Trump from closing the borders.

And yet everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten just how irresponsible and wrong the Democrats were.

On January 31, the White House announced not only that travel was being restricted (though not entirely banned) from China to prevent the spread of coronavirus, but also the expansion of Executive Order 13780, a 2017 order from President Trump that limits travel from certain countries the government considers high risk for terrorism from entering the U.S.

When Pelosi voiced opposition to a travel ban, she was referring to the expansion of the 2017 order, not the coronavirus travel restrictions. The Dispatch Fact Check

I have little love for Nancy Pelosi, but your assertions about her has been de-bunked and is nothing but a busted flush.

Next.


Mannie
BaysideManny
So her walking through Chinatown and helping to spread the new virus isn't a critical error of judgement?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Just deflection, from the issue. SOP.
michaelgm
We're talking about Demmy-crats, not Republicans.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
This entire thread was started based upon the premise that Biden would not be any good. Since then, it has been a continuous pursuit of any clue, no matter how remote, to prove that original premise is correct. People like Pelosi (the latest example) are brought in as red herrings when there's just nothing to say about Biden. Ho hum.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Not quite. This thread was the also nth attempt by Don to restart the same rubbish, a thread based on the premise you mention (was it six or seven that he started?) I can fully understand the mods giving up when faced with the mad persistence of an obsessional like Don.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
This entire thread was started based upon the premise that Biden would not be any good. Since then, it has been a continuous pursuit of any clue, no matter how remote, to prove that original premise is correct. People like Pelosi (the latest example) are brought in as red herrings when there's just nothing to say about Biden. Ho hum.
Valvegear
Again, there were four long years of the Donald Trump thread with continual whinging and character assassination of anyone who dared to question that narrative. Almost as bad as the continued moral outrage against any dissenters on the COVID thread.

And seriously, you're annoyed because there's been several months of a thread on Biden...? You're quite welcome to post stuff about the man that's positive - if you can find any.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
It's easy to find out about good things Biden has done, but you'll just claim the source are biased and go all gay if anybody points out the quality of your sources.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

If you want to remember something utterly, utterly stupid from the outbreak of COVID19 last year - recall Nancy Pelosi telling everyone that fear of COVID19 is racist and that Trump was racist for thinking about stopping flights from China. Yes, that's right - they actually tried to stop Trump from closing the borders.

And yet everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten just how irresponsible and wrong the Democrats were.

On January 31, the White House announced not only that travel was being restricted (though not entirely banned) from China to prevent the spread of coronavirus, but also the expansion of Executive Order 13780, a 2017 order from President Trump that limits travel from certain countries the government considers high risk for terrorism from entering the U.S.

When Pelosi voiced opposition to a travel ban, she was referring to the expansion of the 2017 order, not the coronavirus travel restrictions. The Dispatch Fact Check

I have little love for Nancy Pelosi, but your assertions about her has been de-bunked and is nothing but a busted flush.

Next.


Mannie
So her walking through Chinatown and helping to spread the new virus isn't a critical error of judgement?
don_dunstan
What? Another pivot from Don? Surely not.


Mannie
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

This entire thread was started based upon the premise that Biden would not be any good. Since then, it has been a continuous pursuit of any clue, no matter how remote, to prove that original premise is correct. People like Pelosi (the latest example) are brought in as red herrings when there's just nothing to say about Biden. Ho hum.
Again, there were four long years of the Donald Trump thread with continual whinging and character assassination of anyone who dared to question that narrative. Almost as bad as the continued moral outrage against any dissenters on the COVID thread.

And seriously, you're annoyed because there's been several months of a thread on Biden...? You're quite welcome to post stuff about the man that's positive - if you can find any.
don_dunstan
Again, there were four long years of the Donald Trump thread with continual whinging and character assassination of anyone who dared to question that narrative.

After reading through this thread, Don you are the last person to complain about character assassination.

And seriously, you're annoyed because there's been several months of a thread on Biden...? You're quite welcome to post stuff about the man that's positive - if you can find any.

But of course it is alright to continually whinge about Biden. That's your right, of course, but it is a tad hypocritical to complain about people whinging about Trump, singularly the worst president in US history. Could not even bring himself to hand over power in an orderly manner.

Man, even with the reduced health of Biden he is 20 times the president Trump will ever be. Please give me any positive policies that man has executed. Still, mad as a cut snake extremists and absolute throbbers like Nigel Farage seem to love him.

The only one who seems really annoyed is you.

I think one doth protest too much.



Mannie
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It's easy to find out about good things Biden has done, but you'll just claim the source are biased and go all gay if anybody points out the quality of your sources.
billybaxter
That would be stealing YOUR act.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Isn't it amazing? Because I comment upon the formation of this thread, the inevitable response is, and I quote; "And seriously, you're annoyed because there's been several months of a thread on Biden...? You're quite welcome to post stuff about the man that's positive - if you can find any."

The immediate assumption is that I am annoyed. Completely wrong. Nothing in my post conveys annoyance.
The second phase: Follow up the first error by a baseless invitation which, by its very wording, supports my original statement about the formation of the thread.

One has to wonder when this man will actually read what is written, and reply to that instead of the inevitable rush into (a) ignoring the point; (b) criticising the writer; (c) self justification. Don't hang by your thumbs waiting.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The Trumpist's are unhinged, illogical conspiracy theory embracing, flat Earthers who would for the most part, rather take horse vaccine for COVID than the actual approved vaccines. But the majority of them don't believe COVID-19 exists anyway and it's now, this week, some conspiracy to round them all up and put them in camps (the latest conspiracy theory)so good luck with that one. The conspiracy theories change almost as often as one changes their underwear.

They are completely absorbed and brainwashed by the Murdoch Fox right wing media which will soon be paying for their misdeeds and outright lies in the courts and worse these stupid people are literally killing themselves or making themselves very sick because they don't believe the pandemic is actually a thing.
Moreover the more the evidence stacks up against them that they are obviously nutters the greater the chances of another insurrection.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/09/02/justice-j6-rally-capitol-riot/

Apparently President Biden is the Devil incarnate and like some Republican governors have left the wearing of masks and other preventatives to getting COVID up to the individual, hence their overloaded hospitals and sky rocketing COVID cases in those states.

Congratulations Valvegear if you can get any logic from them at all and no I don't think I've gilded the lily whatsoever.



Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Isn't it amazing? Because I comment upon the formation of this thread, the inevitable response is, and I quote; "And seriously, you're annoyed because there's been several months of a thread on Biden...? You're quite welcome to post stuff about the man that's positive - if you can find any."

The immediate assumption is that I am annoyed. Completely wrong. Nothing in my post conveys annoyance.
The second phase: Follow up the first error by a baseless invitation which, by its very wording, supports my original statement about the formation of the thread.

One has to wonder when this man will actually read what is written, and reply to that instead of the inevitable rush into (a) ignoring the point; (b) criticising the writer; (c) self justification. Don't hang by your thumbs waiting.
Valvegear
The Trumpist's are unhinged, illogical conspiracy theory embracing, flat Earthers who would for the most part, rather take horse vaccine for COVID than the actual approved vaccines. But the majority of them don't believe COVID-19 exists anyway and it's now, this week, some conspiracy to round them all up and put them in camps (the latest conspiracy theory)so good luck with that one. The conspiracy theories change almost as often as one changes their underwear. They are completely absorbed and brainwashed by the Murdoch Fox right wing media which will soon be paying for their misdeeds and outright lies in the courts and worse these stupid people are literally killing themselves or making themselves very sick because they don't believe the pandemic is actually a thing. Moreover the more the evidence stacks up against them that they are obviously nutters the greater the chances of another insurrection.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/09/02/justice-j6-rally-capitol-riot/

Apparently President Biden is the Devil incarnate and like some Republican governors have left the wearing of masks and other preventatives to getting COVID up to the individual, hence their overloaded hospitals and sky rocketing COVID cases in those states. Congratulations Valvegear if you can get any logic from them at all and no I don't think I've gilded the lily whatsoever. Mike.
The Vinelander
I'm not asking either of you to come over to my point of view, the world would be incredibly boring if we all just sat around agreeing with each other. It would be nice for a change to have a proper discussion with some kinda explanation behind why you think what you do beyond "it's what Fairfax/Aunty told me". It's not that hard -

Trump wasn't all bad - I still maintain that, especially in terms of international diplomacy. Like or not the CCP are going to get expansionist and are actively cultivating their own client state system exactly the same as the one that the US had in the 20th century and the British had before that. The fundamental issue is that the CCP saw what happened with power structures like the ones in Eastern Europe and the USSR and they showed us in 1989 just how far they're prepared to go to defend that entrenched one-party state.

There were other things that I think Trump did well at but its kinda pointless discussing it here if I'm just going to be pilloried and told I'm dumb for thinking so it really puts me off wanting to talk any more. But my two cents.

And frankly Biden is appalling - that phone call he made to the Afghani 'President' in June imploring him to give an impression that everything was under control should really have got him impeached the same as they tried to do to Trump over Ukraine. Double-standards.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
I agree with some things Don has said here about the previous President, standing up to China and allowing for the funding that was needed to get anti Covid vaccines developed quickly are two things that he is rarely recognised for. It's a pity that his pigheaded refusal to accept election results and provocation of riotous behaviour have overshadowed this. As for an impeachment of incumbent President Biden, I note that a great number of Republican politicians are trying to get this ball rolling. A bit too early I feel, they won't succeed through numbers alone! and it creates the tit-for-tat atmosphere if we look for motivations. Years may go by now when each party once in the hotseat, tries to get delicious revenge. This and any further attempt will be perceived as sour grapes and furthers the horrific precedent set by the Democrats of using a tool meant for emergency as a bothersome plaything. They should leave things till the next election. This is the path suggested by Senator McConnell. I note here that the Democrats should have done the same.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Isn't it amazing? Because I comment upon the formation of this thread, the inevitable response is, and I quote; "And seriously, you're annoyed because there's been several months of a thread on Biden...? You're quite welcome to post stuff about the man that's positive - if you can find any."

The immediate assumption is that I am annoyed. Completely wrong. Nothing in my post conveys annoyance.
The second phase: Follow up the first error by a baseless invitation which, by its very wording, supports my original statement about the formation of the thread.

One has to wonder when this man will actually read what is written, and reply to that instead of the inevitable rush into (a) ignoring the point; (b) criticising the writer; (c) self justification. Don't hang by your thumbs waiting.
The Trumpist's are unhinged, illogical conspiracy theory embracing, flat Earthers who would for the most part, rather take horse vaccine for COVID than the actual approved vaccines. But the majority of them don't believe COVID-19 exists anyway and it's now, this week, some conspiracy to round them all up and put them in camps (the latest conspiracy theory)so good luck with that one. The conspiracy theories change almost as often as one changes their underwear. They are completely absorbed and brainwashed by the Murdoch Fox right wing media which will soon be paying for their misdeeds and outright lies in the courts and worse these stupid people are literally killing themselves or making themselves very sick because they don't believe the pandemic is actually a thing. Moreover the more the evidence stacks up against them that they are obviously nutters the greater the chances of another insurrection.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/09/02/justice-j6-rally-capitol-riot/

Apparently President Biden is the Devil incarnate and like some Republican governors have left the wearing of masks and other preventatives to getting COVID up to the individual, hence their overloaded hospitals and sky rocketing COVID cases in those states. Congratulations Valvegear if you can get any logic from them at all and no I don't think I've gilded the lily whatsoever. Mike.
I'm not asking either of you to come over to my point of view, the world would be incredibly boring if we all just sat around agreeing with each other. It would be nice for a change to have a proper discussion with some kinda explanation behind why you think what you do beyond "it's what Fairfax/Aunty told me". It's not that hard -

Trump wasn't all bad - I still maintain that, especially in terms of international diplomacy. Like or not the CCP are going to get expansionist and are actively cultivating their own client state system exactly the same as the one that the US had in the 20th century and the British had before that. The fundamental issue is that the CCP saw what happened with power structures like the ones in Eastern Europe and the USSR and they showed us in 1989 just how far they're prepared to go to defend that entrenched one-party state.

There were other things that I think Trump did well at but its kinda pointless discussing it here if I'm just going to be pilloried and told I'm dumb for thinking so it really puts me off wanting to talk any more. But my two cents.

And frankly Biden is appalling - that phone call he made to the Afghani 'President' in June imploring him to give an impression that everything was under control should really have got him impeached the same as they tried to do to Trump over Ukraine. Double-standards.
don_dunstan
Trump wasn't all bad - I still maintain that, especially in terms of international diplomacy. Like or not the CCP are going to get expansionist and are actively cultivating their own client state system exactly the same as the one that the US had in the 20th century and the British had before that. The fundamental issue is that the CCP saw what happened with power structures like the ones in Eastern Europe and the USSR and they showed us in 1989 just how far they're prepared to go to defend that entrenched one-party state.

From foreign diplomacy stance he was not. Granted. But at home he was awful. Cozying up to some extremist groups. Standing by whilst complete throbbers storm the Capital. His appalling handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. He deserves an almighty butt kicking. And if a Democrat has presided over that, the exact same treatment should be handed out.

There were other things that I think Trump did well at but its kinda pointless discussing it here if I'm just going to be pilloried and told I'm dumb for thinking so it really puts me off wanting to talk any more. But my two cents.

Really, Don? Points are made and you just pivot. No one has called you dumb, least not me.


Mannie
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
There were other things that I think Trump did well at but its kinda pointless discussing it here if I'm just going to be pilloried and told I'm dumb for thinking so it really puts me off wanting to talk any more. But my two cents.

And frankly Biden is appalling - that phone call he made to the Afghani 'President' in June imploring him to give an impression that everything was under control should really have got him impeached the same as they tried to do to Trump over Ukraine. Double-standards.
Trump wasn't all bad - SNIP

Really, Don? Points are made and you just pivot. No one has called you dumb, least not me.

Mannie
BaysideManny

I've been bantering with the representative from SA for some years and again the reason I'll never call him 'Don Dunstan' is because that hero Premier was a proud Labor Premier. This person is so far to the RIGHT that it's an affront to the real Don to take on that name. I've said this twice now, I'm not going to repeat it again.

Nevertheless, as misguided as that contributors comments often are, I cannot recall calling him 'dumb'.

A reputable source link to the accusation about Pres. Biden and the Afghan leader was not provided so I call that an unfounded allegation.

If Trump 'wasn't all bad'...and Pres. Biden by any measure is obviously streets ahead of Trump as an effective, compassionate, working and middle class supporting leader. Something that could never be attributed to Trump. I don't recall a single positive word being said by the representative from SA about Biden.

Mike.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I've been bantering with the representative from SA for some years and again the reason I'll never call him 'Don Dunstan' is because that hero Premier was a proud Labor Premier. This person is so far to the RIGHT that it's an affront to the real Don to take on that name. I've said this twice now, I'm not going to repeat it again.
"The Vinelander"
Correct 100%; I have thought the same for some years. It is also not just the fact that he was a Labor Premier; he introduced more social reforms and policies than any other premier before or since. He did this despite all sorts of vicious rumours, innuendo and outright slander than anyone should ever have to put up with. The misuse of his name is unfortunate to put it mildly.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I've been bantering with the representative from SA for some years and again the reason I'll never call him 'Don Dunstan' is because that hero Premier was a proud Labor Premier. This person is so far to the RIGHT that it's an affront to the real Don to take on that name. I've said this twice now, I'm not going to repeat it again.

Nevertheless, as misguided as that contributors comments often are, I cannot recall calling him 'dumb'.

A reputable source link to the accusation about Pres. Biden and the Afghan leader was not provided so I call that an unfounded allegation.
The Vinelander
I've repeatedly stood up for the young, the hand-to-mouth working class and small business people on this board, especially during this COVID19 crisis which has disproportionately affected those people while retirees and public servants complain about not being able to get haircuts. The young in particular have been dealt a dud hand by the generation going into retirement - stagnant wages for the last 11 years, shrinking job opportunities and the most expensive housing in the world.

When was the last time you gave a damn about those people, Mike? Who is the REAL selfish right-winger here?

And you know you can actually search these things for yourself - but as a matter of fact that phone call was reported on by Reuters. Probably still not of a high enough standard for you I'm guessing.

If Trump 'wasn't all bad'...and Pres. Biden by any measure is obviously streets ahead of Trump as an effective, compassionate, working and middle class supporting leader. Something that could never be attributed to Trump. I don't recall a single positive word being said by the representative from SA about Biden. Mike.
The Vinelander
You are more than welcome to put good news stories about stuff that Biden has been doing on this thread - but the fundamental problem is that they're far and few between. And the United States public is starting hate him for his lack of action and significant blunder on Afghanistan - Washington Post

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll conducted in the final days of the Afghanistan withdrawal is the latest to show Biden taking a turn for the unpopular. A majority — 51 percent — of American adults now disapprove of his job performance, while 44 percent approve. That closely echoes an NPR/PBS/Marist College poll also released this week that pegged those numbers at 51 percent and 43 percent, respectively. Until a few days ago, Biden’s average approval rating had never been lower than his disapproval.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Only just, but he's doing better than Trump at the same point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_opinion_polling_on_the_Donald_Trump_administration#September
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The representative from SA has always been a half glass empty person. Every cloud has another cloud lining it. That kind of thing.

It's not for me to research your loony right political accusations...that's just sheer laziness on your part. You allege it, you back it up... that's how it works in here.

Mike.

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