The corona virus COVID-19

 
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Mandating vaccination to access food (ie. Supermarket) is also overreach.

Look, for some high risk occupations it makes sense, but to deny people access to food, medicine, shelter, care, church etc because of their vaccination status is a form of Apartheid or worse.
Carnot
Nobody is denied access to any of those things. Your choice will be more limited, but you won't be denied access. Food for example; you may be obliged to use a supermarket home delivery service, or not be able to go to your favourite restaurant. You won't be dragged out of home and thrown on the street for not being vaxxed. You can pray at home if you need to. And the comparison with apartheid is offensive. Not being vaxxinated, according to almost all recognised experts in the field, puts yourself and others at risk. And for those who find not being able to walk in to their favourite supermarket or have a drink at the local bar unbearable, the situation can be simply resolved by two appointments with the local GP, after which you will be vaxxed and all the disadvantages of your unvaxxed state disappear. Hardly the same with apartheid. Was it possible to go to a GP and get your shots to become white? I doubt it.

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  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Mandating vaccination to access food (ie. Supermarket) is also overreach.

Look, for some high risk occupations it makes sense, but to deny people access to food, medicine, shelter, care, church etc because of their vaccination status is a form of Apartheid or worse.
I have no problem denying people access to a church.
Are we North Korea?  Communist China?
Are we in need of fairy tales from the Bronze Age? Are we okay with celebrating the impregnation without consent of a young jewish girl? I'm quite confident in saying I am not to any of those things...
Aaron
Aaaahhh the good old days, whatever happened to  John of Melbourne?  Fell off the edge of the world I spose.  He was very interesting/ knowledgeable in the Melbourne Suburban forum though.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Aaron, - a rather ill-informed trope tbh.

Anyway:
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Pretty sure they're more expensive than that, I can't be bothered trawling for the link but I read somewhere that Pfizer's margin on each injection in Australia is $30.
It's not even close to that, I am not going to tell you what it is, because I refuse to do work for you. The cost of the vaccine is largely irrelevant, even at two injections per person, if you don't think $60 to keep a person out hospital even for a single day isn't cheap, you smeg up your economics course.

Ivermectin is incredibly cheap and safer than Paracetemol if you're a cow with worms.
Fixed it for you.
Aaron
Arrogance personified. But I'm pretty sure you've heard that one before.

Ivermectin is currently the subject of a study in the USA to see if it does reduce the symptoms and transmission of the virus called ACTIV-6. Initial results are quite promising.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
why is anyone travelling out of state in a pandemic unless they really, really have to?
I don't leave my house unless I really have to...
  • Shopping (once a week)
  • Medical appointments
  • Exercise (5km walk every now and then)
  • An occasional visit to a friend's home
Now before "the representative from SA" tells me I'm scared, that is far from the truth. There has never been a COVID case here. I'm just being careful and sensible. If I don't need to go anywhere, I don't.
Graham4405
C'mon Graham, I've lived in big country towns too. That's what weeks on end of your life look like when you live there.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I have about a two percent chance of going to hospital if I get COVID19 without vaccination - that's what the statistics tell me for my age group and health status. And that's not factoring in the new antiviral treatments that have just been approved last month.
So let me get this straight, you're worried about the safety of an 'untested' (your words, not mine) vaccine that now has a solid many months of safe, international use associated with it, whilst championing antivirals that have less than a month's approval time and negligible use behind them? Forget not playing with a full deck, you're currently holding the card most people without a full deck have lost.
Aaron
It's pointless trying to have an adult conversation with you about it because you insult and belittle anyone whom you believe below your intellect.

"Many months" - LOL, are you serious?
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Arrogance personified. But I'm pretty sure you've heard that one before.

God complex
But who really cares, each to their own
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So let me get this straight, you're worried about the safety of an 'untested' (your words, not mine) vaccine that now has a solid many months of safe, international use associated with it, whilst championing antivirals that have less than a month's approval time and negligible use behind them? Forget not playing with a full deck, you're currently holding the card most people without a full deck have lost.
He dislikes the Pfizer vaccine which has being given to what 1B+ people for nearly 12mth and actually based on previous research, so really not that new. Many other vaccines are using 50 year old tried and trusted technology of simply injecting a non-activating piece of the virus.

But puts faith in a new antiviral drug thats been on the market for less than what 4 months and tested on a fraction of the people and those who it was tested on were probably not in a position to argue risk to longivity as theirs was probably estimated in days or hours without the drug.
RTT_Rules
So twelve months is good but four months is bad? Got it.

Must be a really important line in clinical research that says that I guess.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Arrogance personified. But I'm pretty sure you've heard that one before.

God complex
But who really cares, each to their own
doyle
I'm God or Aaron is God?

Aaron is the one who is completely atheist - I'd describe myself as more agnostic. So I must be God - although I'm unsure of my own existence.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Pretty sure they're more expensive than that, I can't be bothered trawling for the link but I read somewhere that Pfizer's margin on each injection in Australia is $30.
It's not even close to that, I am not going to tell you what it is, because I refuse to do work for you. The cost of the vaccine is largely irrelevant, even at two injections per person, if you don't think $60 to keep a person out hospital even for a single day isn't cheap, you smeg up your economics course.

Ivermectin is incredibly cheap and safer than Paracetemol if you're a cow with worms.
Fixed it for you.
Arrogance personified. But I'm pretty sure you've heard that one before.

Ivermectin is currently the subject of a study in the USA to see if it does reduce the symptoms and transmission of the virus called ACTIV-6. Initial results are quite promising.
don_dunstan
Ivermectin is a medication used to treat parasite infestations.[6][7] In humans, these include head lice, scabies, river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis.[6][8][9][10] In veterinary medicine, it is used to prevent and treat heartworm and acariasis, among other indications.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, misinformation has been widely spread claiming that ivermectin is beneficial for treating and preventing COVID-19.[18][19] Such claims are not backed by credible scientific evidence.[20][21]

Research into its use is ongoing, and multiple major health organizations, including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, U.S. Centers for Disease Control, and the World Health Organization have issued statements stating that ivermectin is not authorized or approved to treat COVID-19.


Suggestion, try Forsythia, I hear it works well.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
So let me get this straight, you're worried about the safety of an 'untested' (your words, not mine) vaccine that now has a solid many months of safe, international use associated with it, whilst championing antivirals that have less than a month's approval time and negligible use behind them? Forget not playing with a full deck, you're currently holding the card most people without a full deck have lost.
He dislikes the Pfizer vaccine which has being given to what 1B+ people for nearly 12mth and actually based on previous research, so really not that new. Many other vaccines are using 50 year old tried and trusted technology of simply injecting a non-activating piece of the virus.

But puts faith in a new antiviral drug thats been on the market for less than what 4 months and tested on a fraction of the people and those who it was tested on were probably not in a position to argue risk to longivity as theirs was probably estimated in days or hours without the drug.
So twelve months is good but four months is bad? Got it.

Must be a really important line in clinical research that says that I guess.
don_dunstan
YEs Don, everything you post is your guess, because it certainly not remotely close to fact.

Pfizer - 18mths over 1B doses to date expect 2B by end of year. Thats 1B peoples worth of data and srunitised by over 100 countries and other jursiticions. Being copied by the Chinese. Yeah, its soooo bad. Moderna similar.

Other CV vaccines such as Chinese based on 50 year old technology. Yeah, thats sooooo bad.


Meanwhile, Don with a PHD in Googling BS is saying an animal worming drug not approved for use in any justistication in the world as a means of treating CV-19 is a safer bet while the tax payer is funding your ar$e slower sufficating in an ICU to the tune of $2670/d just for the bed!

This is the level of reseatch into using Ivemectin for CV, a Monkey's kidney cell!

Subsequent studies found that ivermectin could inhibit replication of SARS-CoV-2 in monkey kidney cell culture with an [color=#0645ad][size=2][font=sans-serif]IC[sub][size=1]50[/size][/sub][/font][/size][/color] of 2.2–2.8 μM

You would be better off taking forsythia.
  303gunner Train Controller

The delta variant only came here because of people recently going to India and then coming back Delta positive.

Earlier this year, we had no community transmission anywhere in the Trans-Tasman bubble and if we weren't taking international arrivals, we could have lived life really normally, as normally as not having to maintain social distancing, hardly having to wear masks at all, and maybe even going out to dinner without giving the restaurant or pub or bar our contact details, and we would not have seen the resurgence we started to see in June this year.
Myrtone
No, wrong. The NSW outbreak, widely agreed to be the introduction of Delta to Australia, came about from an unmasked, unvaccinated Limousine driver carrying an American FedEx Aircrew to quarantine.

Had absolutely nothing to do with returning Australian citizens, quarantine capacities or related to India. It was all about having a commercial connection with the rest of the world, delivering airfreight.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton’s 2020 vow COVID-19 cases would never surpass the 300 mark again has been smashed by record-breaking cases overnight.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
I have about a two percent chance of going to hospital if I get COVID19 without vaccination - that's what the statistics tell me for my age group and health status. And that's not factoring in the new antiviral treatments that have just been approved last month.
So let me get this straight, you're worried about the safety of an 'untested' (your words, not mine) vaccine that now has a solid many months of safe, international use associated with it, whilst championing antivirals that have less than a month's approval time and negligible use behind them? Forget not playing with a full deck, you're currently holding the card most people without a full deck have lost.
It's pointless trying to have an adult conversation with you about it because you insult and belittle anyone whom you believe below your intellect.

"Many months" - LOL, are you serious?
don_dunstan
LOL, Insulting everyone, pot. kettle. black right there.....
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
why is anyone travelling out of state in a pandemic unless they really, really have to?
I don't leave my house unless I really have to...
  • Shopping (once a week)
  • Medical appointments
  • Exercise (5km walk every now and then)
  • An occasional visit to a friend's home
Now before "the representative from SA" tells me I'm scared, that is far from the truth. There has never been a COVID case here. I'm just being careful and sensible. If I don't need to go anywhere, I don't.
C'mon Graham, I've lived in big country towns too. That's what weeks on end of your life look like when you live there.
don_dunstan
To the contrary, Pre-COVID-19 I was hardly ever at home. My car used to clock up ~30,000km/year, now it rarely leaves the shed.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Does anyone think that we will ever again be able to take at face value anything that we are told by government and/or the media?

I don't think so?
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
You may think the rules are too relaxed, but the fact is they are amongst the most harsh anywhere in the world at least amongst democracies.
Mr. Lane
It's not just me, Premier Macca also also wants the rules to be tougher, apparently regardless of what the rules there are in COVID-laden countries.

Not only do we prevent citizens leaving without an exemption we don't allow citizens who are permanent residents in other countries to return to those countries once they are here...effectively they don't even want Australians who have PR overseas to return at all...
Mr. Lane
Why should we and why should we even exempt them to attend a wedding or even a funeral?

I am not arguing one way or the other, only pointing out that Australia most certainly doesn't have relaxed travel restrictions.
Mr. Lane
What's the point of the comparison when we have avoided what is happening in countries with more relaxed travel restrictions? By the way, it is mainly because of early border closures we have avoided that. That comparison doesn't help and cannot be used to argue against the premier of the very state that had that 10 month streak.

No, wrong. The NSW outbreak, widely agreed to be the introduction of Delta to Australia, came about from an unmasked, unvaccinated Limousine driver carrying an American FedEx Aircrew to quarantine.
303gunner
I knew it came from an unmasked chauffer and I'm not surprised the chauffer was unvaccinated

Had absolutely nothing to do with returning Australian citizens, quarantine capacities or related to India. It was all about having a commercial connection with the rest of the world, delivering airfreight.
303gunner
There were cases of delta in this country as far back as May 2021 which apparently were due to people returning from India.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Pretty sure they're more expensive than that, I can't be bothered trawling for the link but I read somewhere that Pfizer's margin on each injection in Australia is $30.
It's not even close to that, I am not going to tell you what it is, because I refuse to do work for you. The cost of the vaccine is largely irrelevant, even at two injections per person, if you don't think $60 to keep a person out hospital even for a single day isn't cheap, you smeg up your economics course.

Ivermectin is incredibly cheap and safer than Paracetemol if you're a cow with worms.
Fixed it for you.
Arrogance personified. But I'm pretty sure you've heard that one before.

Ivermectin is currently the subject of a study in the USA to see if it does reduce the symptoms and transmission of the virus called ACTIV-6. Initial results are quite promising.
don_dunstan
So does that make it more or less tested in regards to Covid, than the Covid Vaccines Don?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Aaron, - a rather ill-informed trope tbh.
Carnot
No, on the contrary, I am rather well informed, which is why I have no qualms whatsoever calling religious smeg out for exactly what it is.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I have about a two percent chance of going to hospital if I get COVID19 without vaccination - that's what the statistics tell me for my age group and health status. And that's not factoring in the new antiviral treatments that have just been approved last month.
So let me get this straight, you're worried about the safety of an 'untested' (your words, not mine) vaccine that now has a solid many months of safe, international use associated with it, whilst championing antivirals that have less than a month's approval time and negligible use behind them? Forget not playing with a full deck, you're currently holding the card most people without a full deck have lost.
It's pointless trying to have an adult conversation with you about it because you insult and belittle anyone whom you believe below your intellect.

"Many months" - LOL, are you serious?
don_dunstan
Believe? I prefer knowing.

Pfizer BioNTech vaccine entered approved use after publishing of phase three trial data on December 20 last year, that's many more months ago (8, count them, it's nearly 9) than less than 1.

Am I serious? You're damn right I am! It's basic countable math, my six year old niece could school you on this.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Arrogance personified. But I'm pretty sure you've heard that one before.

God complex
But who really cares, each to their own
I'm God or Aaron is God?

Aaron is the one who is completely atheist - I'd describe myself as more agnostic. So I must be God - although I'm unsure of my own existence.
don_dunstan
I have the exact opposite of a god complex, I know for a fact that I am not a god. I sometimes I describe myself as atheist, but I generally regard myself as agnostic, especially at work, where I take some care not to offend all the lovely Islamic girls I work with, an Azeri, an Iranian, two Iraqi and an Afghani, despite the fact that I think their beliefs are more ridiculous than most, especially since almost all of them think the other girls are 'doing it wrong' when it comes to their religion.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The delta variant only came here because of people recently going to India and then coming back Delta positive.

Earlier this year, we had no community transmission anywhere in the Trans-Tasman bubble and if we weren't taking international arrivals, we could have lived life really normally, as normally as not having to maintain social distancing, hardly having to wear masks at all, and maybe even going out to dinner without giving the restaurant or pub or bar our contact details, and we would not have seen the resurgence we started to see in June this year.
No, wrong. The NSW outbreak, widely agreed to be the introduction of Delta to Australia, came about from an unmasked, unvaccinated Limousine driver carrying an American FedEx Aircrew to quarantine.

Had absolutely nothing to do with returning Australian citizens, quarantine capacities or related to India. It was all about having a commercial connection with the rest of the world, delivering airfreight.
303gunner
Few will appreciate how disappointed I was that it was an American FedEx crew that bought the Delta variant to Australia, and not a crew flying for Delta Airlines - so many opportunities for bad puns missed.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There were cases of delta in this country as far back as May 2021 which apparently were due to people returning from India.
Myrtone
It barely matters, but I think you will find those cases were Kappa.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA

No, wrong. The NSW outbreak, widely agreed to be the introduction of Delta to Australia, came about from an unmasked, unvaccinated Limousine driver carrying an American FedEx Aircrew to quarantine.
I knew it came from an unmasked chauffer and I'm not surprised the chauffer was unvaccinated.
Myrtone
That he was unmasked is effectively irrelevant, I don't think the mask would have helped him. Of course he was not vaccinated, no one should be surprised by that, Pfizer wasn't approved for use in the driver's demographic then - even if he wanted the vaccine he wouldn't have qualified for it.

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