46th President of the United States -

 
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Clearly you have no idea about international diplomacy and engagement. Trump was known throughout the western worlds leaders as a buffoon and an opinionated idiot. ScoMo in his embarrassing and gushing praise of Trump hoisted his petard and the rest is history.

Why else do you think Pres. Biden didn't have a phone chat to ScoMo over the past 8+ months. Having a lie down does NOT pass muster as an answer.

Mike.
Just plain wrong. Again, so Morrison should have telegraphed his dislike of Trump? That isn't how the system of international diplomacy works, saying that you thought Morrison fawned over Trump is simply your silly, irrelevant opinion.

You are so one eyed Representative from SA, your dedicated man love for Trump is plainly obvious.

M.
The Vinelander
What I think of Trump has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that you're plainly too dumb to understand the nuances of international diplomacy.

But what else is new?

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  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Clearly you have no idea about international diplomacy and engagement. Trump was known throughout the western worlds leaders as a buffoon and an opinionated idiot. ScoMo in his embarrassing and gushing praise of Trump hoisted his petard and the rest is history.

Why else do you think Pres. Biden didn't have a phone chat to ScoMo over the past 8+ months. Having a lie down does NOT pass muster as an answer.

Mike.
Just plain wrong. Again, so Morrison should have telegraphed his dislike of Trump? That isn't how the system of international diplomacy works, saying that you thought Morrison fawned over Trump is simply your silly, irrelevant opinion.

You are so one eyed Representative from SA, your dedicated man love for Trump is plainly obvious.

M.
What I think of Trump has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that you're plainly too dumb to understand the nuances of international diplomacy.

But what else is new?
don_dunstan
Trump, Nuanced? Trump understands International Diplomacy? Maaate, I want what you are on.


Mannie
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
You clearly don't understand either. Trump wedged China with North Korea and bought Putin inside the tent - what has Biden done in the time he's been in office? Barely manages to get out of bed before noon.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
That was nice of President Trump to be so polite with President Putin, except it was Trump's job to keep Putin well away from the tent. As we've seen, Putin just came in and was the perfect guest while he nicked everything.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
That was nice of President Trump to be so polite with President Putin, except it was Trump's job to keep Putin well away from the tent. As we've seen, Putin just came in and was the perfect guest while he nicked everything.
billybaxter
Again, you know nothing. Mao and Stalin united were a far more prescient danger to the West than if they were working against each other - lucky for us that they fell out thanks to their collective paranoia. Later on Nixon accomplished one of the most astonishing moves of international diplomacy ever and bought Mao in from the cold to head off any chance of Brezhnev uniting the communist world.

What Trump was doing was right, diplomacy 101. Fair enough that you and lots of other people on this board hated him but what he was doing in that particular instance was correct and it wedged China right up the wazoo.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
China isn't frightened of Biden in the least, they've got his number. They know that he's nothing more than a demented old puppet who loves ice cream. Trump was an unknown quantity - he shifted the ground on the communist threat and they were secretly terrified of him which is exactly what we needed.

Don't believe me? Every single person in China has a massive hammer hanging over their collective heads - even the billionaires. Ask Ja Ma. The Party is the first and the last word, not the rule of law which is generally the case in the West. We take that certainty for granted here on a regular basis - but its not how most of the world lives.

Communism is still a prescient threat to our freedoms - anyone who doesn't think so is stupid and completely ignorant of history.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
China isn't frightened of Biden in the least, they've got his number. They know that he's nothing more than a demented old puppet who loves ice cream. Trump was an unknown quantity - he shifted the ground on the communist threat and they were secretly terrified of him which is exactly what we needed.
don_dunstan

So you advocate for a lying, unhinged, conspiracy theory advocating imbecilic Commander-in-Chief because like the rest of us including China, due to his tenuous grip on reality we need to keep China secretly 'terrified'.

Yeah good one.

Is it any wonder you're so disappointed in Pres. Biden Question

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
You clearly don't understand either. Trump wedged China with North Korea and bought Putin inside the tent - what has Biden done in the time he's been in office? Barely manages to get out of bed before noon.
don_dunstan

Now you're believing your own BS. The rest of us have moved on.

What's it like staying in a Labor state. Good PT hey, unlike the pathetic Marshall admin, non-PT advocate in SA.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
You clearly don't understand either. Trump wedged China with North Korea and bought Putin inside the tent - what has Biden done in the time he's been in office? Barely manages to get out of bed before noon.

Now you're believing your own BS. The rest of us have moved on.

What's it like staying in a Labor state. Good PT hey, unlike the pathetic Marshall admin, non-PT advocate in SA.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Yeah right, so 'moved on' that you're keeping the Trump thread alive all by yourself.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
China isn't frightened of Biden in the least, they've got his number. They know that he's nothing more than a demented old puppet who loves ice cream. Trump was an unknown quantity - he shifted the ground on the communist threat and they were secretly terrified of him which is exactly what we needed.

So you advocate for a lying, unhinged, conspiracy theory advocating imbecilic Commander-in-Chief because like the rest of us including China, due to his tenuous grip on reality we need to keep China secretly 'terrified'.

Yeah good one.

Is it any wonder you're so disappointed in Pres. Biden Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
I'm not 'advocating' for him, you hysterical shill. I said that what he did with China, Russia and North Korea was excellent diplomacy. I don't expect you to understand but that's the reality - by comparison I'm sure Xi and Putin think Biden is a joke not to be taken seriously.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Putin doesn't need to think anything about Biden. He got everything he needed when Trump invited him into the tent. By the time the American security services fix up the mess that he caused, Biden will be long gone. Why do you think I hate Trump?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Why do you think I hate Trump?
billybaxter
Because you're incapable of actually thinking about it.

Putin is a reality - he's been in charge of the Russian federation for nigh on twenty years and he's not going anywhere. Regardless of whether or not he's legitimised by whatever US President is in office he's still going to be there doing his thing. And if what Trump was doing was so very wrong (according to you), then what is Biden doing now that is so much better?

You can't answer that question because like many others here you're incapable of actually thinking about the situation other than "Trump wuz bad".
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Here we go again, somebody doesn't agree with you 100% and it's insult time.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Why do you think I hate Trump?
Because you're incapable of actually thinking about it.

Putin is a reality - he's been in charge of the Russian federation for nigh on twenty years and he's not going anywhere. Regardless of whether or not he's legitimised by whatever US President is in office he's still going to be there doing his thing. And if what Trump was doing was so very wrong (according to you), then what is Biden doing now that is so much better?

You can't answer that question because like many others here you're incapable of actually thinking about the situation other than "Trump wuz bad".
don_dunstan
Maaate, people have been telling you why and they can do it till they are blue in the face and you will never hear it. You jump on Biden for so much as him picking his nose and you just ignore that this President led an insurrection against the US Government, had handled the pandemic appallingly and you just shrug your shoulders and say nothing to see here, and then the insults flow. So why bother? Its pathetic.

Trump has handled practically everything badly and yet you cling on to tiny little diplomatic wins that amount to bugger all.

Truly Pathetic.

Mannie
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Here we go again, somebody doesn't agree with you 100% and it's insult time.
billybaxter
So I asked you to explain why you thought Trump was so favorable to Putin, what unfair advantages he was giving him and why Biden was better - and all you can do is complain that I'm insulting you somehow.

It only proves my point that you don't know why you hate Trump, you're just going along with the crowd.

All I'm asking for is an explanation as to why you think the way you do and you can't appear to answer. You deserve to be insulted.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Maaate, people have been telling you why and they can do it till they are blue in the face and you will never hear it. You jump on Biden for so much as him picking his nose and you just ignore that this President led an insurrection against the US Government, had handled the pandemic appallingly and you just shrug your shoulders and say nothing to see here, and then the insults flow. So why bother? Its pathetic.

Trump has handled practically everything badly and yet you cling on to tiny little diplomatic wins that amount to bugger all.

Truly Pathetic.

Mannie
BaysideManny
Another one with no actual argument.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Maaate, people have been telling you why and they can do it till they are blue in the face and you will never hear it. You jump on Biden for so much as him picking his nose and you just ignore that this President led an insurrection against the US Government, had handled the pandemic appallingly and you just shrug your shoulders and say nothing to see here, and then the insults flow. So why bother? Its pathetic.

Trump has handled practically everything badly and yet you cling on to tiny little diplomatic wins that amount to bugger all.

Truly Pathetic.

Mannie
Another one with no actual argument.
don_dunstan
Says the man who has no argument himself.

Another one with no actual argument.

Could not prove @billybaxter point more clearly. A put down or an insult, no actual argument because you know you haven't got any. How many brain cells did you tax with that particular gem?

Truly pathetic.


Mannie
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Another one with no actual argument.
Says the man who has no argument himself.

Another one with no actual argument.

Could not prove @billybaxter point more clearly. A put down or an insult, no actual argument because you know you haven't got any. How many brain cells did you tax with that particular gem?

Truly pathetic.


Mannie
BaysideManny
I have a clear argument - that Trump's international diplomacy was way better than Biden. But neither of you have any actual response to that, you have nothing to say except 'Trump wuz bad' do you maaate.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Another one with no actual argument.
Says the man who has no argument himself.

Another one with no actual argument.

Could not prove @billybaxter point more clearly. A put down or an insult, no actual argument because you know you haven't got any. How many brain cells did you tax with that particular gem?

Truly pathetic.


Mannie
I have a clear argument - that Trump's international diplomacy was way better than Biden. But neither of you have any actual response to that, you have nothing to say except 'Trump wuz bad' do you maaate.
don_dunstan
A clear argument, like this gem?

Putin is a reality - he's been in charge of the Russian federation for nigh on twenty years and he's not going anywhere. Regardless of whether or not he's legitimised by whatever US President is in office he's still going to be there doing his thing.

Yeah, stating the bleeding obvious and accepting that whoever is in charge will not make a blind bit of difference.

So getting on the wrong side of nearly every Western democracy whilst kissing Putin's is great diplomacy? Bringing Putin into the tent are just words that mean nothing.

He did not make a blind bit of difference to North Korea or China. China was always an ally of North Korea's. All he did is give Kim Jong Un recognition and legitimacy by meeting with that dictator. Has it changed Kim Jong Un?  

So you just scour the Internet for any little tiny little diplomatic wins that amount to bugger all.

So you support for a literal traitor. That's your choice, maaate. But to trot out we all think "Trump wuz bad" line just speaks of a man who is just supremely confident of his own BS.

Just a big bag of malevolence. Just like your mate Trump.

Pathetic. Maaate!


Michael
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Why did Trump need to meet "little rocket man" anyway, apart from showing how much of a big man Trump was, I personally wouldn't have touched him with a 10 foot barge pole! it was all going to end in tears anyway, and it has!
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Another one with no actual argument.
Says the man who has no argument himself.

Another one with no actual argument.

Could not prove @billybaxter point more clearly. A put down or an insult, no actual argument because you know you haven't got any. How many brain cells did you tax with that particular gem?

Truly pathetic.


Mannie
I have a clear argument - that Trump's international diplomacy was way better than Biden. But neither of you have any actual response to that, you have nothing to say except 'Trump wuz bad' do you maaate.
A clear argument, like this gem?

Putin is a reality - he's been in charge of the Russian federation for nigh on twenty years and he's not going anywhere. Regardless of whether or not he's legitimised by whatever US President is in office he's still going to be there doing his thing.

Yeah, stating the bleeding obvious and accepting that whoever is in charge will not make a blind bit of difference.

So getting on the wrong side of nearly every Western democracy whilst kissing Putin's is great diplomacy? Bringing Putin into the tent are just words that mean nothing.

He did not make a blind bit of difference to North Korea or China. China was always an ally of North Korea's. All he did is give Kim Jong Un recognition and legitimacy by meeting with that dictator. Has it changed Kim Jong Un?  

So you just scour the Internet for any little tiny little diplomatic wins that amount to bugger all.

So you support for a literal traitor. That's your choice, maaate. But to trot out we all think "Trump wuz bad" line just speaks of a man who is just supremely confident of his own BS.

Just a big bag of malevolence. Just like your mate Trump.

Pathetic. Maaate!


Michael
BaysideManny
You don't understand what the point of bringing Russia and North Korea into the fold was - so you clearly don't understand how the system works. I'm wasting my time here.

Maaaate.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Why did Trump need to meet "little rocket man" anyway, apart from showing how much of a big man Trump was, I personally wouldn't have touched him with a 10 foot barge pole! it was all going to end in tears anyway, and it has!
lsrailfan
Another ignorant remark.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Why did Trump need to meet "little rocket man" anyway, apart from showing how much of a big man Trump was, I personally wouldn't have touched him with a 10 foot barge pole! it was all going to end in tears anyway, and it has!
Another ignorant remark.
don_dunstan
Well, come on then, tell us all, what came of the 3 (count em), meetings between Trump and "little rocket man".
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Why did Trump need to meet "little rocket man" anyway, apart from showing how much of a big man Trump was, I personally wouldn't have touched him with a 10 foot barge pole! it was all going to end in tears anyway, and it has!
Another ignorant remark.
Well, come on then, tell us all, what came of the 3 (count em), meetings between Trump and "little rocket man".
lsrailfan
Economic aid in exchange for halting nuclear development and missile tests.

China are using North Korea as a proxy to threaten the West with - do you seriously not see what the advantage of driving a wedge between to two is?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Back to Joe Biden.

In the Presidential debates last year he said Trump's approach was all wrong and that he'd bomb them if necessary. But then in March this year he said he'd be willing to meet with Kim. More recently he's been urging Kim to return to the negotiating table (as Trump was doing) since they've apparently restarted their nuclear program in the last few months.

So Trump was wrong to meet with Kim according to you people - but Biden is trying to do the same thing so therefore it's right.

Right?

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