Melbourne Vaccine Riots

 
Topic moved from Melbourne suburban by dthead on 21 Sep 2021 17:17
  8502 Chief Train Controller

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  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
It's been very interesting to see accounts of people describing the information coming out of the Telegram channel that these far right wingers use, a lot of it is arguing with each other and a lot of it is repeating very American antivax propoganda.


https://imgur.com/a/iiBZyo9

HH stands for Heil Hitler, just thought I'd let you know
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

It's been very interesting to see accounts of people describing the information coming out of the Telegram channel that these far right wingers use, a lot of it is arguing with each other and a lot of it is repeating very American antivax propoganda.


https://imgur.com/a/iiBZyo9

HH stands for Heil Hitler, just thought I'd let you know
speedemon08
Again, if Police want to use force against these bottom feeders, they will not get any oppo from me. Why anyone would show any sympathy towards scum like these beggars belief.


Mannie
  8502 Chief Train Controller

I am really shocked at this totally not on.

Police Brutality

https://t.co/XMChc74yg6" / Twitter
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

I am really shocked at this totally not on.

Police Brutality

https://t.co/XMChc74yg6" / Twitter
8502
That is disgraceful on someone who was just standing there.

Mannie
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
I am really shocked at this totally not on.

Police Brutality

https://t.co/XMChc74yg6" / Twitter
That is disgraceful on someone who was just standing there.

Mannie
BaysideManny
It's also possible that the guy could have been indentified by CCTV, (not condoning the cops action by the way), just saying it's possible.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
He could have been, certainly, however, AIUI, the Victorian Police Commissioner has put a call out for witnesses, or the bloke himself, to make contact - so it looks like they didn't even arrest him!

Anyone who witnessed the incident, including the person who took the footage and the person depicted in the vision, are urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000. Source
News.com

If they didn't arrest him, then that Walloper should spend more than a few years as a guest of Her Majesty, because many people have died through lesser actions in recent years...

There's no doubt and certainly no argument from me, that they're in a challenging environment down there, however, the authority to use reasonable force to arrest someone is a powerful bit of kit - and the operative words there are reasonable use of force. Whether this bloke had done something earlier, or was wanted for lining up a hitman on Dan Andrews is immaterial, the use of force to effect the arrest was so far out of proportion to the threat posed it's almost beyond description, and to come from behind while there is no apparent threat to the officers in front of him is nothing more than the dog act of a coward.

No doubt he'll get off though. They almost always do.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The City of Melbourne is fast becoming a no-go zone for law-abiding people.
  303gunner Train Controller

I must admit I've seen some horrendous violence by some police against some of the protesters in Melb. The one at Flinders Street Station, which I won't post here due to its graphic content, should result in charges against the cop imo.

And bad behaviour by protesters again today after they hurled abuse at health workers at the Town Hall vaccination hub.

People are losing their minds and their composure.
I must admit I've seen some horrendous violence by some police against some of the protesters in Melb. The one at Flinders Street Station, which I won't post here due to its graphic content, should result in charges against the cop imo.

Some of the Police violence was maybe on the brutal side. But you know what, I wont lose any sleep over it. If they want to play silly buggers.

I hope they do not waste anytime soon on trying to find the police.

Big deal.


Mannie
BaysideManny
Yeah, I think they could learn some lessons from Mr Miyagi in Karate Kid: "If you do not want to be hit in the testicles with Police Baton, do not be in the place where Police swing baton!"
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Yeah, I think they could learn some lessons from Mr Miyagi in Karate Kid: "If you do not want to be hit in the testicles with Police Baton, do not be in the place where Police swing baton!"
303gunner
True, but...it depends where the Police are swinging their baton....At least we haven't reached the US level of policing.....yet. Where an unarmed, civilian woman can be shot at on her own porch just for filming them.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlEfaIjeQJI
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Most of us here are probably in agreeance that the protesters can only be described as showing utterly reprehensible behaviour over the past few days. What started as union militancy applied to a social issue has developed into a hijack situation that has spiralled out of control. It is mainly disaffected young men looking for someone to blame, letting their cultivated sense of hate dictate their behaviour, wanting to set the tone, desecrating war memorials and preventing health care workers from doing their job etc. Australia's equivalent of the Taliban.

What is a suitable punishment?

Consider and discuss, should the people charged be struck off the electoral roll?

I argue that it is a privilage, not a right, to belong in a democracy. Airing of opinions and free speech (but not hate speech) and protests are a feature of that but what we have seen lately is something else. Should voting privilages be removed for those that abuse their misguided anger disguised as their democratic 'rights'? Why should they remain able to decide who represents us after what we have seen?
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Most of us here are probably in agreeance that the protesters can only be described as showing utterly reprehensible behaviour over the past few days. What started as union militancy applied to a social issue has developed into a hijack situation that has spiralled out of control. It is mainly disaffected young men looking for someone to blame, letting their cultivated sense of hate dictate their behaviour, wanting to set the tone, desecrating war memorials and preventing health care workers from doing their job etc. Australia's equivalent of the Taliban.

What is a suitable punishment?

Consider and discuss, should the people charged be struck off the electoral roll?

I argue that it is a privilage, not a right, to belong in a democracy. Airing of opinions and free speech (but not hate speech) and protests are a feature of that but what we have seen lately is something else. Should voting privilages be removed for those that abuse their misguided anger disguised as their democratic 'rights'? Why should they remain able to decide who represents us after what we have seen?
DirtyBallast
I fully agree with you, looking at this through Sydney eyes, what started out as a normal protest, has turned into a complete and utter farce! I think a lot of the people there are just completely fed up with Lockdown's , (just as an aside, today Melbourne has become the place with the longest lockdown's in the world), some Lockdown's have been worth it, others have not!, this Lockdown has been worth it, because it's the Delta Strain, anyway that's besides the point! what the worry for me is, as the weekend is fast approaching you will get bigger crowds protesting, they have threatened to be out there everyday until the Construction Sector goes back. but I also am wondering, are these "real tradies" that are running rampant, or are they the RWNJ hi-jackers??
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Consider and discuss, should the people charged be struck off the electoral roll?

I argue that it is a privilage privilege, not a right, to belong in a democracy. Airing of opinions and free speech (but not hate speech) and protests are a feature of that but what we have seen lately is something else. Should voting privilages privileges be removed for those that abuse their misguided anger disguised as their democratic 'rights'? Why should they remain able to decide who represents us after what we have seen?
DirtyBallast
I don't think there is any provision for that. If you qualify to be on the ER you must enrol. If not, you can't

Eligibility is defined as:
  • you are an Australian citizen, or eligible British subject,
  • aged 18 years and over, and
  • have lived at your address for at least one month.

There are very limited circumstances in which a person’s name may be removed from the roll. This includes when information received by the AEC indicates a person no longer lives at their enrolled address or that an enrolled person is now deceased.

Source: https://aec.gov.au/
  303gunner Train Controller

Most of us here are probably in agreeance that the protesters can only be described as showing utterly reprehensible behaviour over the past few days. What started as union militancy applied to a social issue has developed into a hijack situation that has spiralled out of control. It is mainly disaffected young men looking for someone to blame, letting their cultivated sense of hate dictate their behaviour, wanting to set the tone, desecrating war memorials and preventing health care workers from doing their job etc. Australia's equivalent of the Taliban.

What is a suitable punishment?

Consider and discuss, should the people charged be struck off the electoral roll?

I argue that it is a privilage, not a right, to belong in a democracy. Airing of opinions and free speech (but not hate speech) and protests are a feature of that but what we have seen lately is something else. Should voting privilages be removed for those that abuse their misguided anger disguised as their democratic 'rights'? Why should they remain able to decide who represents us after what we have seen?
DirtyBallast
No, I think that they should be strongly reminded and encouraged that the only way to protest and bring about change is via the Ballot Box. To remove that option from them will only leave one path to express their dissatisfaction with the "system": Violence and Anarchy. No-one wants that.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I must admit I've seen some horrendous violence by some police against some of the protesters in Melb. The one at Flinders Street Station, which I won't post here due to its graphic content, should result in charges against the cop imo.

And bad behaviour by protesters again today after they hurled abuse at health workers at the Town Hall vaccination hub.

People are losing their minds and their composure.
I must admit I've seen some horrendous violence by some police against some of the protesters in Melb. The one at Flinders Street Station, which I won't post here due to its graphic content, should result in charges against the cop imo.

Some of the Police violence was maybe on the brutal side. But you know what, I wont lose any sleep over it. If they want to play silly buggers.

I hope they do not waste anytime soon on trying to find the police.

Big deal.


Mannie
Yeah, I think they could learn some lessons from Mr Miyagi in Karate Kid: "If you do not want to be hit in the testicles with Police Baton, do not be in the place where Police swing baton!"
303gunner
Exactly, EVERY protester 'injured' by police in the protests had the option of not leaving home that day - the police likely didn't have that privilege, most of them would have enjoyed being able to exercise their option to stay home.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Consider and discuss, should the people charged be struck off the electoral roll?

I argue that it is a privilage privilege, not a right, to belong in a democracy. Airing of opinions and free speech (but not hate speech) and protests are a feature of that but what we have seen lately is something else. Should voting privilages privileges be removed for those that abuse their misguided anger disguised as their democratic 'rights'? Why should they remain able to decide who represents us after what we have seen?
I don't think there is any provision for that. If you qualify to be on the ER you must enrol. If not, you can't

Eligibility is defined as:
  • you are an Australian citizen, or eligible British subject,
  • aged 18 years and over, and
  • have lived at your address for at least one month.

There are very limited circumstances in which a person’s name may be removed from the roll. This includes when information received by the AEC indicates a person no longer lives at their enrolled address or that an enrolled person is now deceased.

Source: https://aec.gov.au/
Graham4405
You can also be a silent elector as I am, it's the closest I can be to off the roll. I wish I could be taken entirely off the roll, because I still have to make an effort 'to have my name crossed off during the election' - I am yet to be convinced in the last 10-14+ years that the effort is worth it.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Consider and discuss, should the people charged be struck off the electoral roll?

I argue that it is a privilage privilege, not a right, to belong in a democracy. Airing of opinions and free speech (but not hate speech) and protests are a feature of that but what we have seen lately is something else. Should voting privilages privileges be removed for those that abuse their misguided anger disguised as their democratic 'rights'? Why should they remain able to decide who represents us after what we have seen?
I don't think there is any provision for that. If you qualify to be on the ER you must enrol. If not, you can't
Graham4405
Yes, I should have been clearer. Should provision be made for these miscreants to be struck off the roll?

It is easy to imagine an affirmative result from a referendum as a first step, if one was held today.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Most of us here are probably in agreeance that the protesters can only be described as showing utterly reprehensible behaviour over the past few days. What started as union militancy applied to a social issue has developed into a hijack situation that has spiralled out of control. It is mainly disaffected young men looking for someone to blame, letting their cultivated sense of hate dictate their behaviour, wanting to set the tone, desecrating war memorials and preventing health care workers from doing their job etc. Australia's equivalent of the Taliban.

What is a suitable punishment?

Consider and discuss, should the people charged be struck off the electoral roll?

I argue that it is a privilage, not a right, to belong in a democracy. Airing of opinions and free speech (but not hate speech) and protests are a feature of that but what we have seen lately is something else. Should voting privilages be removed for those that abuse their misguided anger disguised as their democratic 'rights'? Why should they remain able to decide who represents us after what we have seen?
No, I think that they should be strongly reminded and encouraged that the only way to protest and bring about change is via the Ballot Box. To remove that option from them will only leave one path to express their dissatisfaction with the "system": Violence and Anarchy. No-one wants that.
303gunner
We have violence and anarchy now, so what's the difference?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
That is disgraceful on someone who was just standing there.

Mannie
BaysideManny
And yet...
Again, if Police want to use force against these bottom feeders, they will not get any oppo from me. Why anyone would show any sympathy towards scum like these beggars belief. Mannie
BaysideManny
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

@don_dunstan you do realize I was referring to the group that sent out that vile anti-Semitic tweet. A tweet that starts off with

"Heil Hitler white power. Now you are getting it"

Or do you support them as well? They are nothing but vile, racist, anti-Semitic bottom feeders.

So the fact that I called the group the sent that vile tweet, bottom feeders upsets you, not the actual anti-Semitic tweet? Emmm.

I will go further if demonstrators want to stop workers carrying out vaccinations then, if a few hit the ground with their face then so be it. Gits.


Mannie
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The rioting has now moved into Northcote with Hippies and thugs going at it around the high street area.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
That is disgraceful on someone who was just standing there.

Mannie
And yet...
Again, if Police want to use force against these bottom feeders, they will not get any oppo from me. Why anyone would show any sympathy towards scum like these beggars belief. Mannie
don_dunstan
If Don's house was being broken into he'd insist the police give the thieves a jolly good talking too.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Nah, he wouldn’t even call the police, he’d tell guys that the bigger TV was in the other room, and help them carry it to their van, and probably tip them $50 for their troubles.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
@don_dunstan you do realize I was referring to the group that sent out that vile anti-Semitic tweet. A tweet that starts off with

"Heil Hitler white power. Now you are getting it"

Or do you support them as well? They are nothing but vile, racist, anti-Semitic bottom feeders.

So the fact that I called the group the sent that vile tweet, bottom feeders upsets you, not the actual anti-Semitic tweet? Emmm.

I will go further if demonstrators want to stop workers carrying out vaccinations then, if a few hit the ground with their face then so be it. Gits.


Mannie
BaysideManny
No, I didn't realise that's what you were talking about.

Yeah - why not, just bash 'em all including people just walking down the street. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette hey.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
If Don's house was being broken into he'd insist the police give the thieves a jolly good talking too.
billybaxter
Nah, he wouldn’t even call the police, he’d tell guys that the bigger TV was in the other room, and help them carry it to their van, and probably tip them $50 for their troubles.
Aaron
14 months ago when all that BLM rubbish was going on and people were saying "defund the police" I was very much against that entire notion. Apparently they're having real problems in Minneapolis now because they simply can't get people to do the job any more - that and the fact that the police are too terrified to even arrest people of colour any more because of what happened last year.

It's a real stretch to say that I'm anti-police - I'm not. I'm against the use of unreasonable force against unarmed civilians - it doesn't matter what the situation is or what they're protesting against. There's no excuse for extreme violence against unarmed civilians - full-stop.

I don't expect simple Billy to understand but you have half a brain, Aaron - you should know as well as I do that one of the defining things that separates Australia's liberal democracy from tin-pot dictatorships is that the police aren't politicized (they don't go harder on enemies of the government) and they don't go round bashing unarmed demonstrators.

The fact that BLM went ahead last year under the exact same circumstances (a hard lock-down) and was peaceful was entirely due to the fact that the police didn't send in the riot squad like they have been this week - because on that occasion they were ordered not to. It was purely a political decision this week to go hard because they were protesting against a government ally - the CFMMEU.

The police have become both politicized AND less accountable since Andrews took over. This is a really serious development and anyone who thinks we need to stay vigilant against fascism should be very worried about what's going on in Victoria.

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