The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
@KRviator - I have trouble grasping your comment but realise that practically the whole country could have kept the novel coronavirus out if the only international arrivals we were taking were returning travellers who either left the country prior to March 2020 or left more recently under the most extraordinary circumstances and especially if biosecurity were kept separate from politics.

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  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
@KRviator - I have trouble grasping your comment but realise that practically the whole country could have kept the novel coronavirus out if the only international arrivals we were taking were returning travellers who either left the country prior to March 2020 or left more recently under the most extraordinary circumstances and especially if biosecurity were kept separate from politics.
Myrtone
The point is deceptively simple - and so often conveniently overlooked by residents of those states...

WA has 10% of the population. Therefore they 'should' take 10% of all returning citizens, and 10% of all incoming air freight.
Qld has ~20% of the population. Therefore, they 'should' take 20% of all returning citizens, and 20% of all incoming air freight.

But they don't, and official Bureau of Transport & Regional Economics airport traffic data proves that to be the case. Consider the provided example of June 2020:
June 2020: Darwin & Hobart, again, Zero. Adelaide 26, Perth 1,652, Brisbane 4,496, Melbourne 6,431 and Sydney 12, 537.

Perth only took in 1,652 - a total of 6.5% of all incoming arrivals that month, despite having 10% of the population.
Brisbane took in 4,496 - just 17% of all incoming arrivals against ~ 20% of the Australian population.
But Sydney, with "only" 31.8% of the Australian population, took a full 49.8% of all incoming arrivals.

More arrivals = more citizens in HQ & more flight crew in HQ and transit to/from the airport = more risk of leakage - and every other state has been happy for NSW to have that risk to bring their citizens and their airfreight in.

The point being, if your state Premier (State Daddy for WA) refuses to carry the fair share of the incoming load, then you lose any right to argue "Look how good we are! We've kept Covid OUT!" because you've let other states carry the burden, with the attendant increase in risk.

Remember, this latest outbreak was caused by a FedEx flight crew. How many air freight flights go via Brisbane, Perth or Darwin?
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
@KRviator - I have trouble grasping your comment but realise that practically the whole country could have kept the novel coronavirus out if the only international arrivals we were taking were returning travellers who either left the country prior to March 2020 or left more recently under the most extraordinary circumstances and especially if biosecurity were kept separate from politics.
Myrtone
...and thats the point they were not taking Aussies eho left before March 2020.

However there are valid reasons for people to leave after March 2020 for which they should not be penalised. Australia was the few countries in the world that banned people actually leaving which was wrong.

The hotel system was generally working with a few issues, mostly mis-management ad learnings about the virus. There was no reason to reduce like they did this year.

Some of the state Premiers were playing politics too often. Not saying others and PM were not at times, but seriously from WA, Vic and Qld, it was over the top.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Note that we have no national standard for quarantine, pretty astounding given that it has everything to do with what crosses our country borders. The federal government (Liberal) decided early on in the pandemic that states and territories would be quarantining arrivals through our airports in hotels and other accommodation, none of which was designed for quarantine.
Additionally, different states do different things. Until the middle of this year, all but one of the premiers of mainland states could well note they were better than keeping out this virus that that other premier simply because they never allowed mismanagement of hotel quarantine that cause the second wave in Melbourne. The premiers of Queensland, South Australia and especially Western Australia could well have been better than the premier of New South Wales given that the Ruby Princess debacle was in New South Wales.
Quarantine in New South Wales is guarded only by the police (at times private security was used but not subcontracting) while in the star state, Western Australia, quarantine is with security guards accompanied by the A.D.F.

Remember, this latest outbreak was caused by a FedEx flight crew. How many air freight flights go via Brisbane, Perth or Darwin?
"KRviator"

There were leaks out of quarantine earlier in the year in Queensland, Victoria and Western Australia and especially the premiers of Queensland and Western Australia went early and hard. The N.S.W government didn't and this lead to the third wave.

For example, really early this year, a cleaner tested positive for what is now called the alpha variant after wandering around Brisbane and the response was a lockdown of Brisbane, the first time any part of Queensland had been under a stay-at-home order since quite early in the pandemic. It was implemented early enough it only had to be three days long which may have meant many in Brisbane could just stay at home for the whole of the short lockdown or maybe only go on one shopping trip during the whole lockdown.
At the end of January, a security guard working in a hotel in Perth used for quarantine also tested positive for some variant of concern and their government's response was authoritarian; 5 days of draconian measures in the Perth and Peel regions and only 20% of Western Australians could travel around most of their state.
The Victorian government was a little slower to act but still managed to achieve elimination after each leak out of quarantine.

But when the FedEx flight crew, transported by an unvaccinated, unmasked chauffer, caused an outbreak in Sydney, their state government didn't lock down until a few days after mystery cases began to appear. Even after re-entering lockdown, there was no "ring of steel" around Sydney. This by the way is due to decisions made by that same government that wants to crush Sydney people into metro at four passengers per square metre.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
However there are valid reasons for people to leave after March 2020 for which they should not be penalised. Australia was the few countries in the world that banned people actually leaving which was wrong.
RTT_Rules
I'm not sure what reasons you mean, because the federal government has even allowed business people to leave the Trans-Tasman bubble just to attend conferences. Is attending a conference really a valid reason to leave the bubble, only to come back and quarantine? Even leaving to attend a wedding or even a funeral is questionable, unless a dual citizen or permanent resident who does so renounces their Australian citizenship or permanent residency instead of coming back and quarantining.
And if we can stop people from leaving the country, than only allowing them to leave in the most extraordinary circumstances is surely better than locking down any part of the country.

The hotel system was generally working with a few issues, mostly mis-management ad learnings about the virus. There was no reason to reduce like they did this year.
RTT_Rules
I don't get the second sentence but there have been multiple lockdowns, mostly snap lockdowns, due to leaks out of quarantine.

Is there anyone here who can grasp the peach vs coconut analogy?
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
There were leaks out of quarantine earlier in the year in Queensland, Victoria and Western Australia and especially the premiers of Queensland and Western Australia went early and hard.
Myrtone
True - but, IIRC, they were all the Alpha variant - a vastly different animal to the current Delta variant.
The N.S.W government didn't and this lead to the third wave.
Myrtone
Even if they had, I'm yet to be convinced it would have made any significant difference - look at Victoria, Dan Andrews locked down the state for the 87th time, fairly quickly when it got out down there and their numbers are still approaching NSW's - whose cases have plateaued recently while Victoria's are continuing to climb - lockdown # 87 notwithstanding...

Continuing to compare earlier lockdowns in various states with the Alpha variant while this current one with Delta doesn't work. Hell, even NSW successfully beat the Alpha variant multiple times including the Ruby Princess screwup - and I dare say this led to a bit of complacency that they could do it again. Turns out they can't, nor does it look like anyone can.

NSW has just found out that particular reality sooner than others, andhas been more realistic about living with it, unlike McGoose and Anna-Stayaway with their "If no one comes here, it can't come here, and we'll all live happily ever after..." ideology.

As it stands, I will be able to visit Perth, Scotland, before I can go to Perth, WA. And the fact that so many people (WA / Qld citizens) cannot see that as being a problem is both astounding and deeply troubling...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Note that we have no national standard for quarantine, pretty astounding given that it has everything to do with what crosses our country borders. The federal government (Liberal) decided early on in the pandemic that states and territories would be quarantining arrivals through our airports in hotels and other accommodation, none of which was designed for quarantine.
Additionally, different states do different things. Until the middle of this year, all but one of the premiers of mainland states could well note they were better than keeping out this virus that that other premier simply because they never allowed mismanagement of hotel quarantine that cause the second wave in Melbourne. The premiers of Queensland, South Australia and especially Western Australia could well have been better than the premier of New South Wales given that the Ruby Princess debacle was in New South Wales.
Quarantine in New South Wales is guarded only by the police (at times private security was used but not subcontracting) while in the star state, Western Australia, quarantine is with security guards accompanied by the A.D.F.

Remember, this latest outbreak was caused by a FedEx flight crew. How many air freight flights go via Brisbane, Perth or Darwin?

There were leaks out of quarantine earlier in the year in Queensland, Victoria and Western Australia and especially the premiers of Queensland and Western Australia went early and hard. The N.S.W government didn't and this lead to the third wave.

For example, really early this year, a cleaner tested positive for what is now called the alpha variant after wandering around Brisbane and the response was a lockdown of Brisbane, the first time any part of Queensland had been under a stay-at-home order since quite early in the pandemic. It was implemented early enough it only had to be three days long which may have meant many in Brisbane could just stay at home for the whole of the short lockdown or maybe only go on one shopping trip during the whole lockdown.
At the end of January, a security guard working in a hotel in Perth used for quarantine also tested positive for some variant of concern and their government's response was authoritarian; 5 days of draconian measures in the Perth and Peel regions and only 20% of Western Australians could travel around most of their state.
The Victorian government was a little slower to act but still managed to achieve elimination after each leak out of quarantine.

But when the FedEx flight crew, transported by an unvaccinated, unmasked chauffer, caused an outbreak in Sydney, their state government didn't lock down until a few days after mystery cases began to appear. Even after re-entering lockdown, there was no "ring of steel" around Sydney. This by the way is due to decisions made by that same government that wants to crush Sydney people into metro at four passengers per square metre.
Myrtone
NZ clamped down straight away and Vic wasn't far behind and the results are both locations are still in lock down. NSW will however be first out.

Someone clearly needs to travel on a trains in Melbourne before commeting on other states.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Even if they had, I'm yet to be convinced it would have made any significant difference - look at Victoria, Dan Andrews locked down the state for the 87th time, fairly quickly when it got out down there and their numbers are still approaching NSW's - whose cases have plateaued recently while Victoria's are continuing to climb - lockdown # 87 notwithstanding...
"KRviator"

87th lockdown? There can't have been that many. There were cases of people breaking lockdown rules at the start of the current lockdown. Queensland and South Australia seemed to be able to get the delta variant to zero and I think Western Australia did too.
Also, we delayed on our border closure with New South Wales.
Continuing to compare earlier lockdowns in various states with the Alpha variant while this current one with Delta doesn't work. Hell, even NSW successfully beat the Alpha variant multiple times including the Ruby Princess screwup - and I dare say this led to a bit of complacency that they could do it again. Turns out they can't, nor does it look like anyone can.
"KRviator"

The Alpha variant is the mutant U.K strain, and the Ruby Princess debacle was before that and early in the pandemic and it wasn't until near the end of that year that N.S.W got to zero.
NSW has just found out that particular reality sooner than others, andhas been more realistic about living with it, unlike McGoose and Anna-Stayaway with their "If no one comes here, it can't come here, and we'll all live happily ever after..." ideology.
"KRviator"

New South Wales is the state that caused this wave of infections. If the federal government had actually set up a national quarantine standard and didn't dump it on states and territories and been tougher on people leaving the Trans-Tasman bubble, we wouldn't be in this situation.
We could have avoided this situation if the flight crew transported to quarantine were taken by a vaccinated chauffer wearing an N95 mask. Perhaps a purpose built quarantine facility near the airport would have helped.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
However there are valid reasons for people to leave after March 2020 for which they should not be penalised. Australia was the few countries in the world that banned people actually leaving which was wrong.

I'm not sure what reasons you mean, because the federal government has even allowed business people to leave the Trans-Tasman bubble just to attend conferences. Is attending a conference really a valid reason to leave the bubble, only to come back and quarantine? Even leaving to attend a wedding or even a funeral is questionable, unless a dual citizen or permanent resident who does so renounces their Australian citizenship or permanent residency instead of coming back and quarantining.
And if we can stop people from leaving the country, than only allowing them to leave in the most extraordinary circumstances is surely better than locking down any part of the country.
The hotel system was generally working with a few issues, mostly mis-management ad learnings about the virus. There was no reason to reduce like they did this year.

I don't get the second sentence but there have been multiple lockdowns, mostly snap lockdowns, due to leaks out of quarantine.

Is there anyone here who can grasp the peach vs coconut analogy?
Myrtone
When you effectively criminalise people wishing to support loved ones in their final days or other needs of support, the system is wrong. It was accepted for say March to June last year, but then things need to change. Certainly not sustain this policy for another 18mths and then almost gleefully broadcast it won't change until 2022.

What do you define as "most extraordinary circumstances"?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Even if they had, I'm yet to be convinced it would have made any significant difference - look at Victoria, Dan Andrews locked down the state for the 87th time, fairly quickly when it got out down there and their numbers are still approaching NSW's - whose cases have plateaued recently while Victoria's are continuing to climb - lockdown # 87 notwithstanding...

87th lockdown? There can't have been that many. There were cases of people breaking lockdown rules at the start of the current lockdown. Queensland and South Australia seemed to be able to get the delta variant to zero and I think Western Australia did too.
Also, we delayed on our border closure with New South Wales.
Continuing to compare earlier lockdowns in various states with the Alpha variant while this current one with Delta doesn't work. Hell, even NSW successfully beat the Alpha variant multiple times including the Ruby Princess screwup - and I dare say this led to a bit of complacency that they could do it again. Turns out they can't, nor does it look like anyone can.

The Alpha variant is the mutant U.K strain, and the Ruby Princess debacle was before that and early in the pandemic and it wasn't until near the end of that year that N.S.W got to zero.
NSW has just found out that particular reality sooner than others, andhas been more realistic about living with it, unlike McGoose and Anna-Stayaway with their "If no one comes here, it can't come here, and we'll all live happily ever after..." ideology.

New South Wales is the state that caused this wave of infections. If the federal government had actually set up a national quarantine standard and didn't dump it on states and territories and been tougher on people leaving the Trans-Tasman bubble, we wouldn't be in this situation.
We could have avoided this situation if the flight crew transported to quarantine were taken by a vaccinated chauffer wearing an N95 mask. Perhaps a purpose built quarantine facility near the airport would have helped.
Myrtone
Quarratine is a state managed requirement and it was never dumped. They have the actual staff and resources to operate but more importantly the authroity to do so.

Masks are to protect others, not so much yourself. You don't know where the contaimination occured.

How and where would you build your so called "quarantine centre" near Sydney Airport? You do know Sydney Airport is 7km from CBD.

Once people leave the country, you cannot control their movements.

Vic cannot manage its lockdowns, which in most cases has come about by hotel Quarratine mismanagement. See the common link? And its worth noting that the number of international arrivals to Vic have been a fraction of NSW.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
When you effectively criminalise people wishing to support loved ones in their final days or other needs of support, the system is wrong. It was accepted for say March to June last year, but then things need to change. Certainly not sustain this policy for another 18mths and then almost gleefully broadcast it won't change until 2022.
"RTT_Rules"

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but residents of this country and New Zealand not attending weddings in covid-laden countries (like the US. and practically every European country) or even funerals over there is surely better than their places of residence re-entering lockdown.
What do you define as "most extraordinary circumstances"?
"RTT_Rules"
This isn't me speaking, premier Macca, who wants better quarantine and being tougher on people leaving this country, used these words.
Quarratine is a state managed requirement and it was never dumped. They have the actual staff and resources to operate but more importantly the authroity to do so.
"RTT_Rules"

Wrong - The constitution states that the minister for home affairs is responsible for quarantine, but Peter Dutton was the minister for home affairs at the time and he never wanted to be in charge of quarantine of human beings.
Masks are to protect others, not so much yourself. You don't know where the contaimination occured.
"RTT_Rules"
N95 masks do in fact protect the wearer.
How and where would you build your so called "quarantine centre" near Sydney Airport? You do know Sydney Airport is 7km from CBD.
"RTT_Rules"

The Sydney airport is the only one near the centre of a city, such facilities are going to be built in Melbourne and Brisbane and possibly in Adelaide and Perth.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
When you effectively criminalise people wishing to support loved ones in their final days or other needs of support, the system is wrong. It was accepted for say March to June last year, but then things need to change. Certainly not sustain this policy for another 18mths and then almost gleefully broadcast it won't change until 2022.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but residents of this country and New Zealand not attending weddings in covid-laden countries (like the US. and practically every European country) or even funerals over there is surely better than their places of residence re-entering lockdown.
What do you define as "most extraordinary circumstances"?
This isn't me speaking, premier Macca, who wants better quarantine and being tougher on people leaving this country, used these words.
Quarratine is a state managed requirement and it was never dumped. They have the actual staff and resources to operate but more importantly the authroity to do so.

Wrong - The constitution states that the minister for home affairs is responsible for quarantine, but Peter Dutton was the minister for home affairs at the time and he never wanted to be in charge of quarantine of human beings.
Masks are to protect others, not so much yourself. You don't know where the contaimination occured.
N95 masks do in fact protect the wearer.
How and where would you build your so called "quarantine centre" near Sydney Airport? You do know Sydney Airport is 7km from CBD.

The Sydney airport is the only one near the centre of a city, such facilities are going to be built in Melbourne and Brisbane and possibly in Adelaide and Perth.
Myrtone
Wrong
The States and Feds have a agreement that dates back decades if not longer than Quarratine of human biosecurity is covered by the states. I posted in this thread ages ago. To change this now at short notice has significant road blocks, mostly lack of manning and trained people.

The Feds department of health has only a few thousand workers all of which are mostly pencil pushers, they have no front line staff. Likewise the existing Fed bio-security department is a few thousand staff, mostly trained in dealing with plants and animals and the fed police niether has the powers nor manning to provide sufficent security. The Army has limitations on what its legally allowed to do as far as providiing an active secuirty force on Australian soil for good reason. They can however support local authorties if asked to do so, VIC declined at one point. Surely you are not blaming Peter Dutton for this?

The Feds also no longer run hospitals, have no Dr, nurses or other medical staff. So who's going to do it?

CDC does not recommend the use of N95 respirators for protection against COVID-19 in non-healthcare settings.

Sydney Airport is the one who moved 45% of all international travellers to Australia and most air freight. If the other states are too chicken to do their own heavy lifting then who gives a crap what they do.

You obviously havn't been to Adelaide or Brisbane to know how close they are to the city.

The $100m's spent on Quarrantine facilities is a waste of money whch is why NSW is not building it. Whats being built if still under construction in the other states is nothing more than over sized camps not suited to the numbers required and couldn't even manage what they are handling now. These facilities will not stop the root causes for the majority of outbreaks that have occured in Australia.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria

The States and Feds have a agreement that dates back decades if not longer than Quarratine of human biosecurity is covered by the states. I posted in this thread ages ago. To change this now at short notice has significant road blocks, mostly lack of manning and trained people.
RTT_Rules
I recall that post vaguely but it doesn't fit in with the criticism of the Morrison government. Furthermore I can't really see a justification for states and territories to be in charge of what crosses our borders, but there is an obvious reason for a national government to be in charge of what crosses national borders, I'm not sure how it is supposed to be explained.

You obviously havn't been to Adelaide or Brisbane to know how close they are to the city.
RTT_Rules
I have been there and they are not as close to the city as the Sydney airport and there are plans in Sydney for a second airport further away.

The $100m's spent on Quarrantine facilities is a waste of money whch is why NSW is not building it. Whats being built if still under construction in the other states is nothing more than over sized camps not suited to the numbers required and couldn't even manage what they are handling now. These facilities will not stop the root causes for the majority of outbreaks that have occured in Australia.
RTT_Rules
It's not a waste of money if they can be repurposed. Furthermore, there will be another pandemic and they could be used for quarantine then.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The States and Feds have a agreement that dates back decades if not longer than Quarratine of human biosecurity is covered by the states.
RTT_Rules
You keep saying this, now prove it!  In other words, put up or shut up.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
The point is deceptively simple - and so often conveniently overlooked by residents of those states...

WA has 10% of the population. Therefore they 'should' take 10% of all returning citizens, and 10% of all incoming air freight.
Qld has ~20% of the population. Therefore, they 'should' take 20% of all returning citizens, and 20% of all incoming air freight.
KRviator
I'm probably missing something, but why should it be so? Surely incoming pax and freight should land at their destination, not by maths?
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
As it stands, I will be able to visit Perth, Scotland, before I can go to Perth, WA. And the fact that so many people (WA / Qld citizens) cannot see that as being a problem is both astounding and deeply troubling...
KRviator
How is this a problem? I fail to understand why anyone would want to visit anywhere in the current circumstances...

Surely life, health and safety are far more important than anything else.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
When you effectively criminalise people wishing to support loved ones in their final days or other needs of support, the system is wrong. It was accepted for say March to June last year, but then things need to change. Certainly not sustain this policy for another 18mths and then almost gleefully broadcast it won't change until 2022.
RTT_Rules
Funny you should say this because most of the US states which implemented domestic border controls in March 2020 (either quarantine requirements upon arrival or refusal of entry to covid positive patients) ended up removing them by June 2020.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The point is deceptively simple - and so often conveniently overlooked by residents of those states...

WA has 10% of the population. Therefore they 'should' take 10% of all returning citizens, and 10% of all incoming air freight.
Qld has ~20% of the population. Therefore, they 'should' take 20% of all returning citizens, and 20% of all incoming air freight.
I'm probably missing something, but why should it be so? Surely incoming pax and freight should land at their destination, not by maths?
Graham4405
That hasn't been the case with passengers over the last 12 months or so has it? From what I have read the point of arrival for returning Australians has been wherever they can get a flight to. Not enough seats avl for say a planeload of people bound for Melbourne to book into Melbourne, they just get to wherever they can, do their 14 days and then head home from what I have read

And our air freight imports for work come in via whichever airport is convenient for the carrier. With Fedex this is normally always Sydney and we lose a day or two as it makes it's way to Melbourne airport before the "last mile" by truck
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Time for a different theme methinks.

The various state governments are gradually putting out roadmaps detailing the easing of restrictions especially for those people fully vaccinated vs. those that aren't. This places LGA's with comparatively low vaccination rates in danger if the citizens there are allowed the same sort of freedoms as those living in highly vaccinated LGA's if there are local cases. Policing of unvaccinated people will be problematic.

Consider this as an alternative. Instead of throwing open the doors to fully vaxxed people when the general level of 80% fully vaxxed is reached, and dealing with the difficulty of dealing with the others that aren't fully vaxxed or are unable to prove so, how about throwing open the doors nationwide once 80% fully vaxxed by age group is reached?

I note that nationally, the 75 to 79 age group is, by latest figures, 79.7% fully vaccinated. We can expect that figure to reach 80% tomorrow. The 80 to 84 age group isn't far behind (78%) and neither is the 70 to 74 age group (75.1%). Imagine if entry to venues is determined by age group reaching 80% fully vaxxed. Then, instead of showing some sort of dodgy proof on your phone that you are fully vaxxed when entering a venue, all you should have to show is your ID at the door to prove your age group. Or is that too simple?

As time goes on more and more age groups will be given full freedom. In the short term it will hamper the easing of restrictions for the younger demographic who were not able to get their first doses until recently, but they will catch up soon and it will also protect them, as they are the most vulnerable to suffering and transmitting the effects of the Delta strain.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
The point is deceptively simple - and so often conveniently overlooked by residents of those states...

WA has 10% of the population. Therefore they 'should' take 10% of all returning citizens, and 10% of all incoming air freight.
Qld has ~20% of the population. Therefore, they 'should' take 20% of all returning citizens, and 20% of all incoming air freight.
I'm probably missing something, but why should it be so? Surely incoming pax and freight should land at their destination, not by maths?
Graham4405
Because if one state, in this case NSW, is carrying the lions share of international arrivals - and BTRE data shows that for the period April 2020 - June 2021 they took 46.5% of all incoming passengers - then there is a consequently greater burden on their HQ system, and a significantly greater risk of it getting out from HQ as a function of their percentage of the Australian population.

Why should NSW have only 31% of the Australian population, yet bring in nearly 50% of returning Citizens - with all the risk that entails - and then get locked out of WA and Qld when they themselves refuse to carry their fair share of the load? Why should NSW bring in thousands of Victorians when Danistan decides to stop international arrivals entirely (Aug-Oct 2020) yet get locked out of Victoria when Delta gets out in Sydney?

We are a Federation a Country not that you'd know it now. Truth be told, I'd be bloody glad if every single Queenslander and West Australian coming home phucked off away from Sydney and left Sydney arrivals to those that actually live in NSW - but that's not going to happen.

How is this a problem? I fail to understand why anyone would want to visit anywhere in the current circumstances...
Graham4405
It's a problem because I - and a great many of my colleagues - live in NSW & Vic (and a few in Qld) - and work FIFO in the Pilbara for various operators and are locked out of the state - or in some cases, being held hostage by WA (ie, "if you go home, you won't be allowed to come back") If I can go overseas before I can go to work and you do not see that as a problem, then, with respect, you are part of the problem!

I was off work 11 months to the day last year, and have been off for 4 months now - and the way McGowan is carrying on, it'll be another 11 months this time.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

I heard from a lawyer friend today that the NSW Police have been quietly paying any challengers to their policy big sums so they'd just go away rather than face a legal challenge in the courts - and its already been costing their government many, many millions. Is making the vaccine a condition of employment legally enforceable? Probably not.
don_dunstan

Incorrect Exclamation

https://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace/dismissal-of-unvaccinated-worker-who-refused-flu-shot-upheld-20210927-p58v5a.html

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Good to see Qantas treating WA as it should be treated:


Mark McGowan has behaved like a North Korean President so fair enough.
Carnot

Very odd comparison.

The Democratic Republic of North Korea, which has never had a democratic election, or any election in my lifetime and Mark McGowan who recently won a state election so convincingly the Opposition can meet on a motor bike. Hmm.

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

The $100m's spent on Quarrantine facilities is a waste of money whch is why NSW is not building it. Whats being built if still under construction in the other states is nothing more than over sized camps not suited to the numbers required and couldn't even manage what they are handling now. These facilities will not stop the root causes for the majority of outbreaks that have occured in Australia.
RTT_Rules

Shane. The red squiggle comes up under your spelling errors for a reason

It's QUARANTINE.

Q U A R A N T I N E.

Got it https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_question.gif

M.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
It's a problem because I - and a great many of my colleagues - live in NSW & Vic (and a few in Qld) - and work FIFO in the Pilbara for various operators and are locked out of the state - or in some cases, being held hostage by WA (ie, "if you go home, you won't be allowed to come back") If I can go overseas before I can go to work and you do not see that as a problem, then, with respect, you are part of the problem!

I was off work 11 months to the day last year, and have been off for 4 months now - and the way McGowan is carrying on, it'll be another 11 months this time.
KRviator

If your concerns were for your fellow human beings and not for yourself, I'd personally be far more sympathetic.

It's amazing that FIFO's earn mega$ then have a big whinge because of travel restrictions. Why not stay in WA...keep working. Why is it necessary to travel whilst we are in a pandemic. Can't you read the tea leaves Question

We make life decisions... a roll of the dice. I've lived, lowly paid my whole life, but it barely gets a mention in here. Sure, I drive a nice car too, but it's 17 years old now and who else in good paying jobs keeps their daily driver that long Question

I've budgeted for over 40 years to make ends meet to enable the house to be paid off...and only ONE house too I might add. I never got married so my income is sufficient, but I missed out on a family etc.

But I did get my low paid job working for government, again a roll of the dice, a decision I made all those years ago. Sure, I could have got a high paid job in mining as well, but I hate the heat and dust. Retail, never an option. Clearly too dodgy a future in my estimation.
You chose your profession so make the most of it and these days you have no necessity to resort to letter writing or expensive phone calls because we live in the instant messaging 21st century.

People in general these days don't seem to have the grit and determination of our forebears to make things work out or to make the best of a given situation.

Be grateful for your 'situation'. At least you have a good well paying job.

No doubt I'll be criticised for my rant...that's fine, on a social media platform that's your right and privilege.

Mike.

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