The corona virus COVID-19

 
  doyle Chief Commissioner

The Moari have great distrust for the Pakeha

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The Moari have great distrust for the Pakeha
doyle
Hopefully they don't end of learning the hard way.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

6th February
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Interesting NZ'ers are not rebelling against their restrictions yet they are also not taking up the vaccine with first doses flatting out.

I reckon because NZ has only one leader not like Australia with 9 leaders with agendas pulling in different directions
doyle
NZ is better compared to SA or WA than Australia as a whole. Population is more in line with QLD, but the complexity added by the QLD/NSW cross-border suburban area makes it less applicable.

Those states have successfully suppressed Covid with even better numbers (on a proportional basis) than NZ, but also have similar issues around vaccination rates.

I would say the federal structure has generally served Australians well during Covid. Considering that the leadership of the present federal government is heavily concentrated in NSW, it’s a damn good thing that other areas of the country have had the option of choosing to do better.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Sorry,
BrentonGolding
No need, all good. I understood the example you gave but just wanted to put it out there that things aren't always what they seem.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I'll explain why I said vaccinating children could be said to be more important than vaccinating those 60-65. First of all, those who are vaccinated are less likely to get infected and even less likely to infect others. If children are vaccinated, that means that nearly all of those born after a certain time are vaccinated and the virus only circulates among older generations and as it does, more and more people of those generations become immune to the virus.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Interesting NZ'ers are not rebelling against their restrictions yet they are also not taking up the vaccine with first doses flatting out.

I reckon because NZ has only one leader not like Australia with 9 leaders with agendas pulling in different directions
NZ is better compared to SA or WA than Australia as a whole. Population is more in line with QLD, but the complexity added by the QLD/NSW cross-border suburban area makes it less applicable.

Those states have successfully suppressed Covid with even better numbers (on a proportional basis) than NZ, but also have similar issues around vaccination rates.

I would say the federal structure has generally served Australians well during Covid. Considering that the leadership of the present federal government is heavily concentrated in NSW, it’s a damn good thing that other areas of the country have had the option of choosing to do better.
justapassenger
NZ didn't abandon its citizens like Qld and WA so yes NZ did a better job in that regard. To say Qld and WA can claim victory in their approach is absurb.

NZ also provided a far more humane hotel quarratine system that is actually better that what high security prisoners get, unlike Australia which locked people in a room and told not to come out or another two weeks and when someone does come out the whole floor is held back another two weeks.

So overall NZ was and still is better in managing than WA and Qld.

Qld creating another Berlin Wall through Coolingatta - Tweed shows how thoughtless the Qld Premier has become to people's needs.

Historically the bulk of the PM's come from Sydney or Melbourne, surprise 75% of th country's population live there and if they were not born there they migrated there as part of past career movements so nothing. As the SE corner of these two states basically funds the lifestyles of the rest of the country, there should be no compliants either by the other states.

If providing inconsistent and conflicting medical information to your people which now sees your state at the bottom in vaccination rate is considered better, then I'd hate to see what bad is.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Qld creating another Berlin Wall through Coolingatta - Tweed shows how thoughtless the Qld Premier has become to people's needs.
RTT_Rules
To be fair to the Queensland Premier and her government, they repeatedly tried to have the "wall" moved further south so as to assist those with such needs, but the NSW government refused to agree to this. Who is thoughtless?
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I don't believe the N.S.W government agrees to the border closure in the first place but that border closure is not their decision. By the way, the U.A.E, the most vaccinated country in the world has recording only 184 new cases today!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Qld creating another Berlin Wall through Coolingatta - Tweed shows how thoughtless the Qld Premier has become to people's needs.
To be fair to the Queensland Premier and her government, they repeatedly tried to have the "wall" moved further south so as to assist those with such needs, but the NSW government refused to agree to this. Who is thoughtless?
Graham4405
Its like saying Western Germany tried to stop the West Berliners from having access to their families in East Berline.

The wall is on the Qld side of the border, not the southern side.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
The wall is on the Qld side of the border, not the southern side.
RTT_Rules
My understanding is that the "wall" is on the border. As I said, Queensland wanted to move it south, but could not get agreement from NSW. We Queenslanders don't want the virus here if we can help it, so unless NSW will maintain a hard border around infected areas, Queensland has no alternative but to block it at the border.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
We Victorians didn't want the virus hear but the same government that previously allowed mismanagement of hotel quarantine was also too slow at tightening borders.

I was off work 11 months to the day last year, and have been off for 4 months now - and the way McGowan is carrying on, it'll be another 11 months this time.
KRviator
We wouldn't be in this situation if he were prime minister because his government would have been in charge of quarantine of arrivals themselves and he would have been tougher on people leaving the Trans Tasman bubble. There would have also been use of places like Christmas Island for quarantine or maybe construction of purpose built quarantine facilities.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I'll explain why I said vaccinating children could be said to be more important than vaccinating those 60-65. First of all, those who are vaccinated are less likely to get infected and even less likely to infect others. If children are vaccinated, that means that nearly all of those born after a certain time are vaccinated and the virus only circulates among older generations and as it does, more and more people of those generations will die.
Myrtone
Fixed it for you.

No! We vaccinate (protect) the most vulnerable first, I seriously cannot fathom how you are yet to get this.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I'll explain why I said vaccinating children could be said to be more important than vaccinating those 60-65. First of all, those who are vaccinated are less likely to get infected and even less likely to infect others. If children are vaccinated, that means that nearly all of those born after a certain time are vaccinated and the virus only circulates among older generations and as it does, more and more people of those generations become immune to the virus.
Myrtone
Its different

The CV-19 vaccine is not life long and even if it was if we followed your strategy then by the time it would have a serious effect, in 50 years, the number of deaths from CV-19 in the older population would probably exceed a few 100k, maybe a million? The problem is today and to be solved by the end of Nov/Dec, not 2050.

The CV-19 vaccine is going to be like the seasonal flu, new shot required every year as the benefit wears off after X period of time and so far I'm hearing 9 - 12 months. I could be wrong but I thought Moderna were working it into the seasonal flu drug so you get both at the same time.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
We Victorians didn't want the virus hear but the same government that previously allowed mismanagement of hotel quarantine was also too slow at tightening borders.

I was off work 11 months to the day last year, and have been off for 4 months now - and the way McGowan is carrying on, it'll be another 11 months this time.
We wouldn't be in this situation if he were prime minister because his government would have been in charge of quarantine of arrivals themselves and he would have been tougher on people leaving the Trans Tasman bubble. There would have also been use of places like Christmas Island for quarantine or maybe construction of purpose built quarantine facilities.
Myrtone
I thought it was plainly obvious that with Delta there was no holding it back. Even if Qld and WA make no change, it will eventually get in and Qld is only just keeping on op of it now, maybe! The high rate of vaccinations is also likely to be assisting stopping the spread and the fact that unlike Victorian's, Qlder's are not rebelling against their govt, helping the spread.

Christmas Island and similar centres are useless for Quaratine which is why they were abandoned very early on. The barely 2000m runway is inadequet for larger plane international traffic and the flights don't go there they go to mainland capital cities. Then the centre isn't actually a quaratine centre and not fit for such purpose.

Once people leave Australian soil and are in NZ, there is nothing Australian can legally do to stop them travelling further. Stopping Australians leaving Australia is likely going to come back to bite SCOMO on the bum with appeals to the UN underway.

McGowan played politics and had he been PM he would have had no one to play with.

Australia had plenty of existing quaratine facilities that work, they are called hotels. The almst zero outbreaks in WA and Qld is proof that if managed well they obviously work. But by all means pi$$ Billions of more money up against the wall to do the exact same thing with the exact same risks. By the time they are open, the country will have open borders, so complete waste of money and we will be lucky to have anyone stay there.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I thought it was plainly obvious that with Delta there was no holding it back. Even if Qld and WA make no change, it will eventually get in and Qld is only just keeping on op of it now, maybe! The high rate of vaccinations is also likely to be assisting stopping the spread and the fact that unlike Victorian's, Qlder's are not rebelling against their govt, helping the spread.
RTT_Rules
We did get this variant to zero in June and again in July and other states on the mainland and the Northern Territory did around that time.
The Queensland government never allowed mismanagement of hotel quarantine such as to cause another wave and didn't lock down that state for the best part of a year and so maybe Anastacia Palaszczuk has a higher approval rating than Dictator Dan.

Christmas Island and similar centres are useless for Quaratine which is why they were abandoned very early on. The barely 2000m runway is inadequet for larger plane international traffic and the flights don't go there they go to mainland capital cities. Then the centre isn't actually a quaratine centre and not fit for such purpose.
RTT_Rules
They are actually better for such purposes in spite of what you mention. They are not in a big city and so leaks out of it would not lead to community transmission.

Once people leave Australian soil and are in NZ, there is nothing Australian can legally do to stop them travelling further. Stopping Australians leaving Australia is likely going to come back to bite SCOMO on the bum with appeals to the UN underway.
RTT_Rules
There is something the NZ government could do and is likely to do if it part of the same travel bubble. One thing the Australian government could do to dual citizens and permanent residents is strip them of their Australian citizenship or permanent residency.

McGowan played politics and had he been PM he would have had no one to play with.
RTT_Rules
I'm not sure what you mean but all his points about quarantine are similar to what biosecurity researchers have said.

Australia had plenty of existing quaratine facilities that work, they are called hotels. The almst zero outbreaks in WA and Qld is proof that if managed well they obviously work. But by all means pi$$ Billions of more money up against the wall to do the exact same thing with the exact same risks. By the time they are open, the country will have open borders, so complete waste of money and we will be lucky to have anyone stay there.
RTT_Rules
Hotels were not designed for quarantine, there are a lot of articles about this, for example in The Age, HVAC&R News, Independent Australia and even The Australian.
The big problem with hotels lies in the corridors and the ventilation. The former mining camp at Howard Springs was also not designed for quarantine but it has separate indoor units and no corridor and has avoided community transmission.

Also this document about a new quarantine hub near Melbourne airport, similar facilities are being proposed in Queensland.

This country should not have open borders while the vaccine is still not available to all, it is currently not available to those of school going age and these facilities will be repurposed one no longer needed for quarantine.

Unfortunately, quarantine has been a political flashpoint ever since March 2020 when we began quarantine of international arrivals and it began (it seems) because Peter Dutton was minister for home affairs at the time and he is unwilling to do it. As far as I know, he has no problem with quarantine of plants, pets and livestock we have long had, in this case due to much rarer diseases. I believe this is the first time quarantine has been political anywhere in the world.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I thought it was plainly obvious that with Delta there was no holding it back. Even if Qld and WA make no change, it will eventually get in and Qld is only just keeping on op of it now, maybe! The high rate of vaccinations is also likely to be assisting stopping the spread and the fact that unlike Victorian's, Qlder's are not rebelling against their govt, helping the spread.
We did get this variant to zero in June and again in July and other states on the mainland and the Northern Territory did around that time.
The Queensland government never allowed mismanagement of hotel quarantine such as to cause another wave and didn't lock down that state for the best part of a year and so maybe Anastacia Palaszczuk has a higher approval rating than Dictator Dan.

Christmas Island and similar centres are useless for Quaratine which is why they were abandoned very early on. The barely 2000m runway is inadequet for larger plane international traffic and the flights don't go there they go to mainland capital cities. Then the centre isn't actually a quaratine centre and not fit for such purpose.
They are actually better for such purposes in spite of what you mention. They are not in a big city and so leaks out of it would not lead to community transmission.

Once people leave Australian soil and are in NZ, there is nothing Australian can legally do to stop them travelling further. Stopping Australians leaving Australia is likely going to come back to bite SCOMO on the bum with appeals to the UN underway.
There is something the NZ government could do and is likely to do if it part of the same travel bubble. One thing the Australian government could do to dual citizens and permanent residents is strip them of their Australian citizenship or permanent residency.

McGowan played politics and had he been PM he would have had no one to play with.
I'm not sure what you mean but all his points about quarantine are similar to what biosecurity researchers have said.

Australia had plenty of existing quaratine facilities that work, they are called hotels. The almst zero outbreaks in WA and Qld is proof that if managed well they obviously work. But by all means pi$$ Billions of more money up against the wall to do the exact same thing with the exact same risks. By the time they are open, the country will have open borders, so complete waste of money and we will be lucky to have anyone stay there.
Hotels were not designed for quarantine, there are a lot of articles about this, for example in The Age, HVAC&R News, Independent Australia and even The Australian.
The big problem with hotels lies in the corridors and the ventilation. The former mining camp at Howard Springs was also not designed for quarantine but it has separate indoor units and no corridor and has avoided community transmission.

Also this document about a new quarantine hub near Melbourne airport, similar facilities are being proposed in Queensland.

This country should not have open borders while the vaccine is still not available to all, it is currently not available to those of school going age and these facilities will be repurposed one no longer needed for quarantine.

Unfortunately, quarantine has been a political flashpoint ever since March 2020 when we began quarantine of international arrivals and it began (it seems) because Peter Dutton was minister for home affairs at the time and he is unwilling to do it. As far as I know, he has no problem with quarantine of plants, pets and livestock we have long had, in this case due to much rarer diseases. I believe this is the first time quarantine has been political anywhere in the world.
Myrtone
It may arrive in June, but doesn't mean o the first pss it will break through, call the swiss cheese effect.

Qld could manage their hotel Quaratine, why not Vic? Why does the failed "Gold Standard" systems in Vic automatically mean its the Feds fault?

The quaratine centres will always be close to big cities for obvious reasons and those being built now are mostly the same. Difference between a hotel in CBD and whats being built now is SFA. The causes of transmission to the greater community has not being resolved.

Anyone who promotes Christmas Island has no clue on whats actually required.

Strippig citizenship because they left via NZ is both extreme and would cause a massive outcry and issues with the UN. Stripping citzenship is for people who are guilt of supporting terrorism, not going to see family. Your suggestion must be a joke?

Mc Gowan and Anna P and previously Dan were playing politics all through this. They agree on something in National Cabinet then walk out and say the opposite. They make public statements that should be done behind closed doors. Dan is curretly a massive dose of Humble Pie so he has at least shut up. Qld and WA have until 80% double doses to pull their heads in. While the WA border is 1500 km to the west of Perth in middle of no where, the Qld border with NSW runs through suburbia, it will not take a crowd a fraction of the size of what happened in Vic to breach this and the police will be powerless to stop it. Tolerance will run out and has done in Vic.

Hotels are nothing more than a hosipital with better beds. Quarratne centres for the purposes needed for CV is pretty much the same. NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD HAS BUILT LARGE SCALE QUARRATINE CENTRES. DO YOU GET THAT?

The ventilation issue was poor choice of hotel type with no balaconies and opening windows. Its not a hard fix, just don't use that type of hotel which you should considering you are locking someone in the room for 14 days. Again its about Management. The ventilation issue has also proven to be a minor issue and not worthy of a multiple billion dollar fix.

Howard Springs is in Darwin, land is available and cheap.

Vaccines are available, its no longer a limitation. I agree you keep the external border restricted, not closed until everyone has had the oppurtuity to get jabbed. However, the coutry must also recognise that vaccinated travellers who board the flight with negative PCR and tested again a few days on arrival are an extremely low risk and with tghe current vaccination rates limitation on these travellers should have been relaxed including abandonment of 14 days which should have been cut to 7 days and caps raised months ago.

The states are the ones with both resources and legal authority to invoke quarratine of people. Its one thing for a few dudes in Fed govt shirts to put 1000 plants into a warehouse, but its another for 1000 humans that are your own citizens and have not broken the law and have actually contributed to the Australian economy as a form of export. There is a difference. If you bothered to actually look at the data, you would see the total Fed govt work force in Dept of Ag, Health and Fed police was at one point less than the total number of people in quaratine. Again does it matter who runs the quaratine centre? Is this really a pi$$ing contest?

Of course quarratine is political, few other countries openly banned their own people from returning to their own country and most non Aussie/Kiwi people I know are outright stunned to be told this. Your passport is supposed to mean right of passage to your home country. Dutton and other Feds actually opposed Quarratine initially on this basis, it was and still is unprecedented, globally!
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Today's covid figures are absolutely dreadful in Victoria, a total of 1763 cases! an unwanted National record, there were 4 deaths as well, 623 cases in New South Wales, thankfully, the numbers seem to be stabilizing up here, which is good news, there were 2 local cases in QLD, I can't help but think that the explosion in cases in Victoria is mostly due to the Protests last week.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Today's covid figures are absolutely dreadful in Victoria, a total of 1763 cases! an unwanted National record, there were 4 deaths as well, 623 cases in New South Wales, thankfully, the numbers seem to be stabilizing up here, which is good news, there were 2 local cases in QLD, I can't help but think that the explosion in cases in Victoria is mostly due to the Protests last week.
lsrailfan
Maybe, maybe not.

It does appear some may have taken it to regional Vic afterwards.

As for new quarantine facilities at Mickleham and Wellcamp - they'll make good prison camps for those who speak ill of Dan Andrews and Anna P respectively Wink
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Qld could manage their hotel Quaratine, why not Vic? Why does the failed "Gold Standard" systems in Vic automatically mean its the Feds fault?
RTT_Rules
Queensland has had it's problems with quarantine too. For example, early in January 2021 a cleaner tested positive for what's now called the alpha variant and their government's response was authoritarian, three days of a stay at home order in Greater Brisbane.

The quaratine centres will always be close to big cities for obvious reasons and those being built now are mostly the same. Difference between a hotel in CBD and whats being built now is SFA. The causes of transmission to the greater community has not being resolved.
RTT_Rules
No, being close to airports is better than being near big cities and as with airports, there is a case for quarantine to be run away from especially the centres of cities. It's better than locking down big cities.

Anyone who promotes Christmas Island has no clue on whats actually required.
RTT_Rules
First of all, premier Macca has been there and he is promoting that.

Strippig citizenship because they left via NZ is both extreme and would cause a massive outcry and issues with the UN. Stripping citzenship is for people who are guilt of supporting terrorism, not going to see family. Your suggestion must be a joke?
RTT_Rules
First of all, quarantine is not for going on or coming back from a vacation. It's for citizens and permanent residents coming home and staying home. It's for those who are out of the country at the time the border was closed to come home and maybe also for returning travellers who left under the most extraordinary circumstances. I shall refer to such returning travellers as essential arrivals.
  • If a citizen or permanent resident is in Australia or New Zealand when both countries close their borders to the rest of the world, they should stay in their travel bubble at least until there is a vaccine, they have had the vaccine and the vaccine is available to all.
  • If a citizen or permanent resident is outside the bubble at the time the borders are closed, and their decision is to come home, they also should stay home at least until the above criteria are met.

If someone who is permitted to live here is here when the borders are closed to the rest of the world, then it is their responsibility towards an entire nation to stay in this travel bubble unless leaving under the most extraordinary circumstances. These circumstances do not include attending conferences, weddings or even funerals.

Stripping citizenship from dual citizens who left while the borders are closed and permanent residency from permanent residents who left the travel bubble in question (via NZ or not) means they don't have the right to come back into country and don't need to be quarantined and means taking fewer international arrivals other than essential arrivals.

Mc Gowan and Anna P and previously Dan were playing politics all through this. They agree on something in National Cabinet then walk out and say the opposite. They make public statements that should be done behind closed doors. Dan is curretly a massive dose of Humble Pie so he has at least shut up. Qld and WA have until 80% double doses to pull their heads in. While the WA border is 1500 km to the west of Perth in middle of no where, the Qld border with NSW runs through suburbia, it will not take a crowd a fraction of the size of what happened in Vic to breach this and the police will be powerless to stop it. Tolerance will run out and has done in Vic.
RTT_Rules
Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton and some others have been playing politics too.

Hotels are nothing more than a hosipital with better beds. Quarratne centres for the purposes needed for CV is pretty much the same. NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD HAS BUILT LARGE SCALE QUARRATINE CENTRES. DO YOU GET THAT?
RTT_Rules
Purpose built quarantine facilities will be very different from multi-storey hotels, I have linked to a document about them.

The ventilation issue was poor choice of hotel type with no balaconies and opening windows. Its not a hard fix, just don't use that type of hotel which you should considering you are locking someone in the room for 14 days. Again its about Management. The ventilation issue has also proven to be a minor issue and not worthy of a multiple billion dollar fix.
RTT_Rules
The problem is not just ventilation of the units, it's in the corridors where there is isn't enough change of air. This caused an outbreak in Melbourne after someone who completed quarantine in Adelaide came to Melbourne. Fixing the ventilation issue is better than tightening internal restrictions (outside the hotels) let alone locking down.

Howard Springs is in Darwin, land is available and cheap.
RTT_Rules
There is land to build similar, or even better facilities even elsewhere in this country.

Vaccines are available, its no longer a limitation. I agree you keep the external border restricted, not closed until everyone has had the oppurtuity to get jabbed. However, the coutry must also recognise that vaccinated travellers who board the flight with negative PCR and tested again a few days on arrival are an extremely low risk and with tghe current vaccination rates limitation on these travellers should have been relaxed including abandonment of 14 days which should have been cut to 7 days and caps raised months ago.
RTT_Rules
Vaccines are still only available to those 12 years of age and up, they still aren't available to all.

The states are the ones with both resources and legal authority to invoke quarratine of people. Its one thing for a few dudes in Fed govt shirts to put 1000 plants into a warehouse, but its another for 1000 humans that are your own citizens and have not broken the law and have actually contributed to the Australian economy as a form of export. There is a difference. If you bothered to actually look at the data, you would see the total Fed govt work force in Dept of Ag, Health and Fed police was at one point less than the total number of people in quaratine. Again does it matter who runs the quaratine centre? Is this really a pi$$ing contest?
RTT_Rules
Quarantine has everything to do with what crosses our borders. The idea was only to quarantine international arrivals, there wasn't a need to quarantine interstate arrivals. So therefore the federal government alone needs to be in charge themselves, delegating this to states and territories is playing politics.

Of course quarratine is political, few other countries openly banned their own people from returning to their own country and most non Aussie/Kiwi people I know are outright stunned to be told this. Your passport is supposed to mean right of passage to your home country. Dutton and other Feds actually opposed Quarratine initially on this basis, it was and still is unprecedented, globally!
RTT_Rules
I don't believe quarantine of plants, pets or livestock has ever been political. Maritime quarantine of international arrivals was used here back in 1918 due to the Spanish flu.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
As for new quarantine facilities at Mickleham and Wellcamp - they'll make good prison camps for those who speak ill of Dan Andrews and Anna P respectively.
"Carnot"
You're becoming monotonous.
  303gunner Train Controller

While the WA border is 1500 km to the west of Perth in middle of no where, the Qld border with NSW runs through suburbia, it will not take a crowd a fraction of the size of what happened in Vic to breach this and the police will be powerless to stop it.
RTT_Rules
See! I told you all we'd need a Submarine to get into WA!
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Today's covid figures are absolutely dreadful in Victoria, a total of 1763 cases! an unwanted National record, there were 4 deaths as well, 623 cases in New South Wales, thankfully, the numbers seem to be stabilizing up here, which is good news, there were 2 local cases in QLD, I can't help but think that the explosion in cases in Victoria is mostly due to the Protests last week.
lsrailfan
608 Cases*.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
While the WA border is 1500 km to the west of Perth in middle of no where, the Qld border with NSW runs through suburbia, it will not take a crowd a fraction of the size of what happened in Vic to breach this and the police will be powerless to stop it.
See! I told you all we'd need a Submarine to get into WA!
303gunner
It's not 1,500 km west (or east either). Smile
By rail the WA - SA border is 1,388 km from Perth.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
While the WA border is 1500 km to the west of Perth in middle of no where, the Qld border with NSW runs through suburbia, it will not take a crowd a fraction of the size of what happened in Vic to breach this and the police will be powerless to stop it.
See! I told you all we'd need a Submarine to get into WA!
It's not 1,500 km west (or east either). Smile
By rail the WA - SA border is 1,388 km from Perth.
YM-Mundrabilla
Yes my bad, grew up on the eastern seaboard, west is always away from the coast. In dubai west is in the sea so yes its still weird watching the sun rise over the desert.

Tell them its 1500 km so they don't slow down near the actual border.

I suspect SCOMO looking at McGowan's long game and if required thats what theya re for, to sneek in under the sea border.

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