The Aussie political economy -

 
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

An entertaining day in Australian politics.
Keating has Morrison for breakfast in an article in the SMH.
Turnball has him for lunch at the NPC.

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
An entertaining day in Australian politics.
Keating has Morrison for breakfast in an article in the SMH.
Turnball has him for lunch at the NPC.
michaelgm
Is this the same Paul Keating that said last week the Australian government was war-mongering on China without declaring his interest as a board member of the China Development Bank?

Class traitor - and now a national traitor. Is there anything that worm can't do...
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
An entertaining day in Australian politics.
Keating has Morrison for breakfast in an article in the SMH.
Turnball has him for lunch at the NPC.
Is this the same Paul Keating that said last week the Australian government was war-mongering on China without declaring his interest as a board member of the China Development Bank?

Class traitor - and now a national traitor. Is there anything that worm can't do...
don_dunstan

Keating could never reach your level of guile and plot twists and pretzel turns to try to make a point.

M.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
An entertaining day in Australian politics.
Keating has Morrison for breakfast in an article in the SMH.
Turnball has him for lunch at the NPC.
Is this the same Paul Keating that said last week the Australian government was war-mongering on China without declaring his interest as a board member of the China Development Bank?

Class traitor - and now a national traitor. Is there anything that worm can't do...

Keating could never reach your level of guile and plot twists and pretzel turns to try to make a point.

M.
The Vinelander
Why don't you try actually talking about the topic at hand instead of focusing on me?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Keating could never reach your level of guile and plot twists and pretzel turns to try to make a point.

M.
Why don't you try actually talking about the topic at hand instead of focusing on me
don_dunstan

Where's the ROFL emoji when one needs it...

M.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Keating could never reach your level of guile and plot twists and pretzel turns to try to make a point.

M.
Why don't you try actually talking about the topic at hand instead of focusing on me

Where's the ROFL emoji when one needs it...

M.
The Vinelander
Well I'm pointing out that Keating is not a neutral observer and for some reason you immediately drag it back to me. Why?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
There's a pretty strong rumor on Twitter that Dan Andrews is going to announce his 'retirement from politics' very soon for personal reasons... interesting if true.
  303gunner Train Controller

There's a pretty strong rumor on Twitter that Dan Andrews is going to announce his 'retirement from politics' very soon for personal reasons... interesting if true.
don_dunstan
Interesting that he has Personal Reasons? Why?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There's a pretty strong rumor on Twitter that Dan Andrews is going to announce his 'retirement from politics' very soon for personal reasons... interesting if true.
Interesting that he has Personal Reasons? Why?
303gunner
How is his popularity?

EDIT, I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the state and fed senior MP's / Leaders retire after all this for their own sanity.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scott-morrison-slams-social-media-as-coward-s-palace-and-foreshadows-future-crackdown/4b2a1b1c-5cb2-4702-8f77-167c07d7978a
Just gold from smirko, there I said it.
The bloke who doesn’t want an ICAC.
Won’t go to the climate summit.
Didn’t attend the woman’s rally in Canberra.
Hides in Hawaii while the joint burns.
On water matters, cabinet in confidence, and on it goes.
FMD, pot, kettle, black.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
So Scotty the Announcer has lived up to his name with all the submarine B/S. Looks like AUKUS is turning into CACTUS...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/08/experts-warn-joe-biden-supplying-nuclear-submarines-to-australia-threatens-us-security
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scott-morrison-slams-social-media-as-coward-s-palace-and-foreshadows-future-crackdown/4b2a1b1c-5cb2-4702-8f77-167c07d7978a
Just gold from smirko, there I said it.
The bloke who doesn’t want an ICAC.
Won’t go to the climate summit.
Didn’t attend the woman’s rally in Canberra.
Hides in Hawaii while the joint burns.
On water matters, cabinet in confidence, and on it goes.
FMD, pot, kettle, black.
michaelgm
social media has become a "coward's palace" for anonymous trolls who should be outed
Scotty from Marketing
So then it's about time that the "inside source"  aka the PMO,
is outed by MSM each time they background against honest citizens that have the courage to speak openly.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So Scotty the Announcer has lived up to his name with all the submarine B/S. Looks like AUKUS is turning into CACTUS...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/08/experts-warn-joe-biden-supplying-nuclear-submarines-to-australia-threatens-us-security
wobert
I'm starting to think that these things will never actually get built, not here in Australia anyway. The French refused to honor the terms of their contract that required a minimum amount of the engineering and components be made on-shore which is part of the reason why that contract was cancelled. Former Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson was in the the Australian the other day pointing out that manufacturing is almost impossible in Australia in the 2020's and that it was really foolish to be attempting something as complicated and difficult as a nuclear submarine here. I'm inclined to agree with him.

The problem is that its a huge slice of pork that has been waved shamelessly as a jobs boondoggle since the beginning and announcing that it won't actually go ahead will be political poison - which is why I think they keep cancelling contracts and moving completion dates further out. The first one won't even roll off the production line until the early 2030's and yet the SA government has been saturating the media with adverts about 'lots of jobs on the way'... rubbish.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Yeah but Don , look how well the"Poodle " has done out of it
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
There's a pretty strong rumor on Twitter that Dan Andrews is going to announce his 'retirement from politics' very soon for personal reasons... interesting if true.
Interesting that he has Personal Reasons? Why?
303gunner
The deal that he did with the Firefighters union is going to be investigated by Victoria's IBAC starting tomorrow. Could be the reason... he might do a Gladys.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

So Scotty the Announcer has lived up to his name with all the submarine B/S. Looks like AUKUS is turning into CACTUS...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/08/experts-warn-joe-biden-supplying-nuclear-submarines-to-australia-threatens-us-security
I'm starting to think that these things will never actually get built, not here in Australia anyway. The French refused to honor the terms of their contract that required a minimum amount of the engineering and components be made on-shore which is part of the reason why that contract was cancelled. Former Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson was in the the Australian the other day pointing out that manufacturing is almost impossible in Australia in the 2020's and that it was really foolish to be attempting something as complicated and difficult as a nuclear submarine here. I'm inclined to agree with him.
don_dunstan

My thinking is that at least some submarines will be built in the UK. There is a few reasons why I think this might be the case:

  • Why was the UK who is not in our region even included in AUKUS? Conclusion: because they will build them.
  • The UK can't give us reactor technology without US permission...hence why the US is involved.
  • The US has no capacity to build any submarines for us, they are going flat chat for their own navy.
  • The UK has little capacity either...but they are broke. They would probably be willing to push back their own plans if they  were sufficiently financially rewarded.


Frankly, I don't mind if the UK builds them (the first 3 or 4)...we really can't wait for a jobs program to ramp up before we get new submarines. It has to be treated as a priority defence program now.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The deal that he did with the Firefighters union is going to be investigated by Victoria's IBAC starting tomorrow. Could be the reason... he might do a Gladys.
don_dunstan
Marshall, the boss of the United Firefighters Union, seems to wield an inordinate amount of muscle power. I am curious about where such an amount of power actually stems from. Is it just the ability to call his members out on strike, or is there a lot more to it? The enquiry will be worth watching.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

So the powers that be want to flood the country with 2 million slave workers over the next 5 years. Chamber of Commence is right on board.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The deal that he did with the Firefighters union is going to be investigated by Victoria's IBAC starting tomorrow. Could be the reason... he might do a Gladys.
Marshall, the boss of the United Firefighters Union, seems to wield an inordinate amount of muscle power. I am curious about where such an amount of power actually stems from. Is it just the ability to call his members out on strike, or is there a lot more to it? The enquiry will be worth watching.
Valvegear
Seem to recall that Jeff had an equally tight relationship with the Police Association when he was in office - so it's not peculiar to the Labor Party.

Some pretty incredible revelations today at the IBAC hearing in Victoria, already claimed a VIC government cabinet minister (although he just resigned from cabinet, not from political life) and forced Albo to 'publicly support' another federal MP who has clearly been branch stacking. The Labor Party is crooked to to core - but what else is new.

Nothing directly affecting Andrews yet but then again it was just the first day...
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So the powers that be want to flood the country with 2 million slave workers over the next 5 years. Chamber of Commence is right on board.
Mr. Lane
Yep, Sydney and Melbourne aren't overflowing enough - they need to be Tokyo or Delhi-sized despite the lack of water and infrastructure. And how dare you question that - you must be RAYCIST like the ABC tells me people like you are.

Seriously, if you're young and you don't have family money you are completely screwed in Australia in 2021; you'll probably never own a home or have any means of participating in the great Aussie dream unless you settle for a shoebox in South Yarra or Cabramatta. This country doesn't give a damn about you - you don't have any money and therefore aren't important.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

So the powers that be want to flood the country with 2 million slave workers over the next 5 years. Chamber of Commence is right on board.
Yep, Sydney and Melbourne aren't overflowing enough - they need to be Tokyo or Delhi-sized despite the lack of water and infrastructure. And how dare you question that - you must be RAYCIST like the ABC tells me people like you are.

Seriously, if you're young and you don't have family money you are completely screwed in Australia in 2021; you'll probably never own a home or have any means of participating in the great Aussie dream unless you settle for a shoebox in South Yarra or Cabramatta. This country doesn't give a damn about you - you don't have any money and therefore aren't important.
don_dunstan
And the system will prevent you from saving any money. The whole system is designed to screw the Australian youth out of their savings and aspirations of home ownership.

I much prefer it when we are in agreement. You are 100% spot on here.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So the powers that be want to flood the country with 2 million slave workers over the next 5 years. Chamber of Commence is right on board.
Yep, Sydney and Melbourne aren't overflowing enough - they need to be Tokyo or Delhi-sized despite the lack of water and infrastructure. And how dare you question that - you must be RAYCIST like the ABC tells me people like you are.

Seriously, if you're young and you don't have family money you are completely screwed in Australia in 2021; you'll probably never own a home or have any means of participating in the great Aussie dream unless you settle for a shoebox in South Yarra or Cabramatta. This country doesn't give a damn about you - you don't have any money and therefore aren't important.
And the system will prevent you from saving any money. The whole system is designed to screw the Australian youth out of their savings and aspirations of home ownership.

I much prefer it when we are in agreement. You are 100% spot on here.
Mr. Lane
It's called a plutocracy, not sure if there's much anything anyone can do about it. But yeah the young have been screwed out of home ownership which is the exact opposite of the Menzies zeitgeist of including the working class in the home ownership dream.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Interestingly Dominic Perrottet said this in the Australian in 2018:

Merely adding more people isn’t a sustainable economic strategy.

More important, we can’t pretend that high immigration comes without a cost, and we believe growth should not impose an unfair burden on those already here.

Excessively rapid growth puts downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on housing ­prices, both of which have sorely stung workers and aspiring homeowners in Sydney and other parts of NSW for a decade.

It also means more people on trains, more cars, more students in our schools and more patients at hospitals. And it’s the NSW government, not the federal government, that is responsible for providing the necessary support for the surging population.

When you look at the numbers, it’s no surprise communities in Sydney are feeling the pressure.

In 2006, annual net overseas migration to Australia increased to roughly double its average pace across the preceding 25 years…

But three years later, someone or something seems to have changed his mind - from the Financial Review the other day:

"An ambitious national immigration plan similar to Australia’s post-World War II approach would ensure Australia would benefit from skills, investment and population growth,” Mr Perrottet was told in the advice, which was seen by The Australian Financial Review.

In a sign the new Premier is taking the advice seriously, Mr Perrottet on Monday said the borders need to be opened up amid a “general labour” shortage to ensure a healthy economic recovery.

“If we lose this opportunity, those skilled migrants will go to other countries,” he said. “We won’t get those engineers, those accountants, they’ll commit to other projects”.

Mr Perrottet was told that a “time-limited” immigration surge could include a “doubling” of pre-COVID immigration levels for the next five years and “unashamedly” focusing on “the skilled migration we need to develop key industry sectors”.

A doubling of that pre-pandemic rate would see net migration leap to more than 400,000 a year, a staggering surge that would see the population swell by 2 million by 2026.

That's a really substantial surge of people in a very short period of time. Considering we've been told repeatedly that there's going to be water shortages in this country in the future, how are we going to provide those (mostly) capital city dwellers? Electricity? Public services, public transport, hospitals, schools? Presumably it all gets pulled out of thin air.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Some pretty astonishing revelations at the IBAC hearings in VIC today by the former Labor mayor of the City of Banyule Rick Garotti - from Fairfax/Nine;

Banyule mayor Rick Garotti said there was a widespread pattern of politicians employing factional allies and their families.

“It was part of the culture of the party in the factional system,” Cr Garotti said.

“From my perspective it was just that’s the culture and that’s how it works… it was my understanding that MPs can determine who they want to work for them. Maybe I should have questioned it, but I never really questioned it, I just thought that’s the established way it works.”

Cr Garotti admitted he had recommended Hussein Haraco be employed as an electorate officer because he was important for the Moderate Labor faction and “needed to be looked after”...


...A senior member of Adem Somyurek’s Moderate Labor group said he would turn to the former Labor minister as a “mentor” to understand factions, as he admitted to spending at least $25,000 over the past five years to pay for people’s membership fees and the running of a Labor Party branch’s meetings.

Rick Garotti, the mayor of Banyule City Council, has told the IBAC hearing he started branch stacking five years ago by paying for other people’s membership.

He said he covered the costs of running the Heidelberg branch and membership fees, totalling about $5000 annually for five or six years. Of that amount about $15,000 was spent in total on branch stacking.

He said Dr Hussein Haraco had contributed a “couple of thousand dollars” to pay for people’s membership.

Anyone who joins the Labor Party thinking that its a democratic and transparent operation is probably sorely disappointed but not surprised at these revelations. The problem is that branch stacking while immoral and unethical isn't actually illegal and the Labor Party will continue to ignore it.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Articulated far better than I ever could.

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