Berejiklian implosion

 
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Dom Perrottet elected NSW Premier. Far right religious nut, all down hill from here to the federal election then oblivion at the state election.

Clueless.

Mike.
So are his critics going to go down the anti-Catholic sectarian path that Northern Ireland travelled down?

Section 116 of the Australian Constitution exists for good reasons...
Carnot
Section 116 does not apply to the States, so the States are allowed to pass laws precluding religious nutjobs (which if you're asking me is everyone who follows any religion - to a person) from entering Parliament, and trying to curtail the lifestyle and life choices of every rational person if the state.

Dog-whistling by the ABC and Sydney Morning Herald seems to have become a national sport:
Carnot
Imagine if? How about 'If only'! Sorry, not sorry The Jewish and Muslims get the exact same treatment from me, and they'd get worse from others if they tried to ban us from bacon, tried to amend the way our mother, wife, sisters and nieces dressed, prevented us from undertaking work or household chores on the Sabbath, or made serious attempts (with gross successes) at concealing child rape.

I made that word bold so it won't be ambiguous as to whether or not I mean it - it's not used by accident.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
That's hilarious ????
doyle

Obviously not and should be reconsidered by that subscriber...but to me, as an agnostic with no interest in religion it's a 'helpful' comment.

M.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I've found Atheist fundamentalism to be rather intolerant these days based on some of the comments in this thread...
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
I've found Atheist fundamentalism to be rather intolerant these days based on some of the comments in this thread...
Carnot
All ideologists are the root cause of conflict in our society, not just here.

A simple debate turns into, if you don't have the same belief as me, then you are closed minded. The irony is moronic.

Look at the news, FB, and social media. It is toxic.

Things have changed for the worse in the past 2 decades.

Yes the premier's personal view is more extreme compared to his predecessors, but judge the actions, not his beliefs. This applies to anyone in power.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I've found Atheist fundamentalism to be rather intolerant these days based on some of the comments in this thread...
Carnot
And I’ve never had an atheist fundamentalist knock on my door, an attempt to perform a conversation.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I find that the best way to deter the religious nuts who knock on the door waving a Bible is to tell them that I'm not interested in reading fiction.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I find that the best way to deter the religious nuts who knock on the door waving a Bible is to tell them that I'm not interested in reading fiction.
Valvegear

I told them I'm gay and I haven't had a visit in years. Clearly I'm now on their lost cause list.

Mike.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

I've found Atheist fundamentalism to be rather intolerant these days based on some of the comments in this thread...
Carnot
You know what Carnot, that is absolute rubbish.

There are so many true Christians who believe empathy, compassion and tolerance. Just because many do not share fundamentalists' views about Abortion and Gay Marriage it does not make them Atheist Fundamentalists.

And Carnot, Atheists are far less dangerous to many than Christian Fundamentalists.

More to being a good Christian than reciting passages out the Bible.


Mannie
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

I find that the best way to deter the religious nuts who knock on the door waving a Bible is to tell them that I'm not interested in reading fiction.

I told them I'm gay and I haven't had a visit in years. Clearly I'm now on their lost cause list.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Think of it as a blessing.

Mannie
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

I've found Atheist fundamentalism to be rather intolerant these days based on some of the comments in this thread...
All ideologists are the root cause of conflict in our society, not just here.

A simple debate turns into, if you don't have the same belief as me, then you are closed minded. The irony is moronic.

Look at the news, FB, and social media. It is toxic.

Things have changed for the worse in the past 2 decades.

Yes the premier's personal view is more extreme compared to his predecessors, but judge the actions, not his beliefs. This applies to anyone in power.
Big J
True, but what is so close minded about disagreeing with people who will judge someone simply because they are Gay or a different colour?


Mannie
  doyle Chief Commissioner

That's hilarious ????
doyle

Obviously not and should be reconsidered by that subscriber...but to me, as an agnostic with no interest in religion it's a 'helpful' comment.

M.

Hey a little unfair considering other organisations are just as culpable

I just took it as off the cuff comment, that's all
  Carnot Minister for Railways

So what do Atheists think about eugenic abortion of Down Syndrome kids?


Hardly compassionate...
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

So what do Atheists think about eugenic abortion of Down Syndrome kids?


Hardly compassionate...
Carnot
Again, Carnot, pressure on parents to abort Down Syndrome kids is absolutely disgusting and appalling, no argument from me. But what has that got to do with being Atheist?

And it does not change the fact that a woman has a right to determine whether or not to have an abortion.


Mannie
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
So what do Atheists think about eugenic abortion of Down Syndrome kids?


Hardly compassionate...
Carnot


None of us are qualified to advise a couple of their options or even offer opinions when faced with this life changing event.

M.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

So what do Atheists think about eugenic abortion of Down Syndrome kids?

Hardly compassionate...
Carnot

Straw man argument
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Why on earth would Paul fletcher say in an interview on the abc today thr country lost a good politician when they should
Not have because Australians were aware of the icac investigation.

I was amazed at this comment.

She is under investigation and decided to fall on her sword.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Why on earth would Paul fletcher say in an interview on the abc today thr country lost a good politician when they should
Not have because Australians were aware of the icac investigation.

I was amazed at this comment.

She is under investigation and decided to fall on her sword.
freightgate
Why on earth would any remark by Paul fletcher warrant any response whatsoever.
A rarity for insiders, a reasonably grilling interview. Give the obscenely competent  Laura Tingle a shot as host on Insides.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Why on earth would Paul fletcher say in an interview on the abc today thr country lost a good politician when they should
Not have because Australians were aware of the icac investigation.

I was amazed at this comment.

She is under investigation and decided to fall on her sword.
freightgate

The key point is the government do not want to have an open and transparent ICAC process where those under investigation and lets face it you do not investigate as ICAC unless you have evidence, to be named at all.

No public forums.
  Divine3801 Station Master

I have found links back to previous public inquiries regarding Operation Keppel surrounding individuals concerned including the former premier regarding this investigation

October 12th 2020 Operation Keppel Public Inquiry - witness called, Gladys Berejiklian

https://players.brightcove.net/3910869709001/H1p3D7ooz_default/index.html?videoId=6199682579001&iu=%2F21671780509%2Fsmh%2Fnational%2Fnsw&vid=6199682579001&sz=640x360%7C4x1&playsinline=true&fbclid=IwAR1YBFGfOgSxY_Xl4YXtOkl1dCiyMlFw25ZG9fc7EmdhH1eHYK56MSjy5c0

October 13th 2020 Operation Keppel Public Inquiry - witness called, Maggie Wang


( YOUTUBE PREVIEW BELOW IS OF PUBLIC INQUIRY - MAGGIE WANG. THE INQUIRY TO BEREJIKLIAN IS ABOVE )




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y7DwFM-SXY

October 14th, 15th and 16th 2020 Operation Keppel Public Inquiry - witness called, Daryl Maquire



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u1WZ-hlAds



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yqpsYzSLGM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2V7Gv0AaJY


They are very long, but there is a substantial amount of time where they pause streaming and continue in private as some of the evidence heard in public would severely affect the privacy and security of not only the witness, but other witnesses, to which confidentiality is key to ensure Operation Keppel continues to pursue as effectively as possible.



October 18th 2021 is the date where all of us are very likely to be interested in:

https://www.icac.nsw.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2021-media-releases/further-operation-keppel-public-inquiry

Friday 1 October 2021



The NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) will hold a further public inquiry in Operation Keppel from 10:00 am on Monday 18 October 2021.



The Commission is investigating whether, between 2012 and 2018, the Hon Gladys Berejiklian MP engaged in conduct that:



  • constituted or involved a breach of public trust by exercising public functions in circumstances where she was in a position of conflict between her public duties and her private interest as a person who was in a personal relationship with the then NSW Member of Parliament, Mr Daryl Maguire, in connection with: grant funding promised and/or awarded to the Australian Clay Target Association Inc in 2016/2017; and grant funding promised and/or awarded to the Riverina Conservatorium of Music in Wagga Wagga in 2018; and/or
  • constituted or involved the partial exercise of any of her official functions, in connection with: grant funding promised and/or awarded to the Australian Clay Target Association Inc in 2016/2017; grant funding promised and/or awarded to the Riverina Conservatorium of Music in Wagga Wagga in 2018; and/or
  • constituted or involved the dishonest or partial exercise of any of her official functions and/or a breach of public trust by refusing to exercise her duty pursuant to section 11 of the Independent Commission Against Corruption Act 1988 to report any matter that she suspected on reasonable grounds concerned or may concern corrupt conduct in relation to the conduct of Mr Daryl Maguire; and/or
  • was liable to allow or encourage the occurrence of corrupt conduct by Mr Maguire.
Operation Keppel 18th October 2021 Public Inquiry


The big question mark is not only Ms. Berejiklian immediately resigning not just as premier, but is also announcing departure from NSW State politics as the member of Willoughby.

Wouldn't she just stand aside, and await the investigation to complete before returning as premier? Provided she continues to declare that she hasn't done anything wrong?

Also the deputy John Barilaro resigned within 3 days as well.

The Commission has already identified very suspicious and unexplained conduct by Berejiklian in her conversations indicating she is aware of the conduct by Maguire and did not report it to the commission. This in turn brings up more suspicion, since she was in a close personal relationship with Maguire, did she discuss his activities with him and collaborated to conceal and/or benefit?

This is the subject and question that has caught the suspicion of those tasked with Operation Keppel.

The Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) was established in 1988 as an independent organisation to protect the public interest, prevent breaches of public trust and guide the conduct of public officials in the NSW public sector.


https://www.icac.nsw.gov.au/about-the-nsw-icac
About the NSW ICAC


What is most dangerous is the main news channels, or described as the Main Stream Media, have been running narratives painting her as the victim, and quickly sweeping away the matters relating to the context of the ICAC Inquiry. This in turn is subtly distorting the perception and misleading more people to take a political position against ICAC without even understanding the context and serious nature of the matter.


In the past back in 2014, when ICAC left damning evidence in the public forcing O'Farrell to resign, I didn't think it was serious and thought a bottle of wine didnt amount to much, and it was just a gift, the gift was from the executive of Australia Water Holdings, to which O'Farrell wrote back a thank you letter. AWH was alleged by ICAC to lobby O'Farrell over state owned Sydney Water in rolling out water infrastructure.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-16/nsw-premier-barry-ofarrell-to-resign-over-icac-grange-wine/5393478

I now understand how serious it is in terms of public interest, public trust and ensure public official conduct integrity is upmost and foremost. There is so much damage done to society already by corruption that ICAC hasn't been able to pick up and stop.

If the events of this abc article are very accurate it's eerily similar to the conduct of the current Prime Minister Morrison who continue to repeatedly use the word integrity when Premier Berejiklian formally resigned.


In the State of Victoria, there is also another example of the Labor Governement under John Brumby regarding Myki. I wrote about this ticketing system before and the negative effects of it on this forum. The Transport Ticketing Authority's head in charge of the bidding process was married to a spouse who in turn, this spouse was one of the shareholders of one of the bidders. This bidder to which the shareholder who is the spouse of the TTA head at this particular time won, and built us the myki system.

Far more expensive, far longer than they took, and had no experience in building these systems. They won over Australian ERG that built Octopus for Hong Kong!! Brumby and his government continued to ignore the calls for an investigation as to why it was taking over two years of delays and when they finally investigated and audited over half a billion dollars was already spent, when nowhere near that amount needed to be spent if an experienced bidder had won. Eventually this system would cost 1.5 billion dollars at least!!


As the investigation continues, the most disturbing matter surrounding ICAC is the perception by many in the state that ICAC is engaged in politics, the concern here is the investigation uncovers, proves corrupt conduct by those Keppel is investigating, but supporters of those investigated will harden their ideological view against ICAC.

But what is even worse is that, if ICAC cannot come up with conclusive results demonstrating the suspicious conduct of the specific matters is corrupt that Operation Keppel is investigating, this will draw an even more extreme reaction, because ICAC will be labelled by many more as engaging in politics, if this is the case, a significant amount of the public will be fired up to demand ICAC be disbanded, so in turn politicians leave the people to think an independent body is playing politics and then their political agenda is fulfilled to further their own interests with no scrutiny and the masses who advocated for their agenda would never realize what they wiped out, never seeing and never understanding in the first place.

This would be amplified by those distorting the subject in the Mainstream News Channels, then carefully paraded by the Prime Minister, and it would no doubt be in the interest of him and his party to ensure that there is no thought of any such body for federal parliament.
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney


The big question mark is not only Ms. Berejiklian immediately resigning not just as premier, but is also announcing departure from NSW State politics as the member of Willoughby.

Wouldn't she just stand aside, and await the investigation to complete before returning as premier? Provided she continues to declare that she hasn't done anything wrong?

Also the deputy John Barilaro resigned within 3 days as well.
Divine3801
I mentioned this previously, but apparently John Barilaro and new Deputy Liberal Leader Stuart Ayres have been called as witnesses to give evidence.  There is no suggestion that they are under investigation.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

I mentioned this previously, but apparently John Barilaro and new Deputy Liberal Leader Stuart Ayres have been called as witnesses to give evidence.  There is no suggestion that they are under investigation.
Transtopic

Maybe she knows she is toast?
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

Maybe she knows she is toast?
bevans
That would seem to be a reasonable presumption.  Why would she otherwise resign from Parliament as well?  I can recall when Neville Wran was Premier, and that was before the ICAC was established under Greiner, he stood aside after being implicated in corrupt conduct, but following an inquiry he was reinstated to the Premiership after being cleared of any wrongdoing.

You also have to ask whether it is more than just a coincidence that Barilaro resigned from Parliament as well?  I don't buy the argument that it was about his defamation case.  That's just a sideshow.

You could say that Andrew Constance's resignation is legitimate because he wants to run for Federal Parliament at the next election.  He also probably realised that he would be pushed out of the role of Transport Minister if Perrottet became Premier.  It's been suggested that Gladys had protected him in that position.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Anyone know how well Perrottet and Morrison work together? Do they have happy or negative history?
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Anyone know how well Perrottet and Morrison work together? Do they have happy or negative history?
petan
Considering that Morrison called Perrottet a f*#kwit, I'm not so sure that it will be an amicable relationship.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I believe we will see a lot roll out of the ICAC meetings shortly.  Time for some accountability in the office of the premier.

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