The corona virus COVID-19

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
4000 was the predicted daily infections, will wait and see.
doyle
Was that for this outbreak or is that the Doherty Institute prediction for after we open up at 70 / 80%?

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  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Like I called it.

Lockdown fatigue, and listening to those idiot messengers being increasingly met with - get fked by the populace.

The numbers are purely representative of the increasing proportion of the population raising the middle finger to anything Dan or Sutton have to say.

If anyone else said it, it’d be listened to, those two………….. Middle finger.com
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Like I called it.

Lockdown fatigue, and listening to those idiot messengers being increasingly met with - get fked by the populace.

The numbers are purely representative of the increasing proportion of the population raising the middle finger to anything Dan or Sutton have to say.

If anyone else said it, it’d be listened to, those two………….. Middle finger.com
davesvline
Also, the Protesters had a big deal to play in where the cases are right now, no doubt about it.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Out and about doing deliveries for work today (due to the almost complete meltdown of Australia Post in Melbourne we have started doing as many as we can ourselves) it was amazing to see the almost complete lack of regard for the lockdown rules in and around my old stomping ground of Collingwood and other inner suburbs

Young people all over the place drinking in groups, no masks, back street cafes with zero social distancing and work places open for secret shoppers, no masks and looking at me like I was a leper for wearing one
BrentonGolding
Collingwood local here. The 6th lockdown started not being taken seriously around here as soon as it was extended past the initial 7 days. Once people in my group of friends and acquaintances realised it wasn't going to be a "short-sharp" lockdown it was like everyone decided "this is never gonna end, we are never gonna beat it, we just have to get on with life and take our chances."

The introduction of the curfew did return things to ghost town status for a week or two as people realised the Government was serious...but then people just moved all of the socialising indoors.

In the last two weeks it really has become a joke. Yes stores are open and secretly trading. Back street bars are serving drinks again. People are staying out on the street and socialising right up to 9PM.

If the outdoor mask mandate and curfew were doubtful in their use before, they are totally pointless now.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
The underlying problem here is quarantine being a political flashpoint. All lockdowns except the first ones implemented in each state and territory have been due to the virus escaping quarantine. The second Melbourne lockdown, for example, was due to a massive outbreak stemming from a botched quarantine programme.
In November the same year, the virus also escaped quarantine in South Australia, internal restrictions were tightened and a stay-at-home order was briefly put in place due to a lie told by a Spanish national. South Australia's response was quite authoritarian for a liberal state.

A federally run quarantine programme, with construction of quarantine facilities and moving quarantine out of hotels once construction of them is complete; Combining all of this with more restrictions on leaving the Trans-Tasman bubble could have meant a COVID-19 response more libertarian within our borders.
We could have done away with lockdowns early on in the pandemic because fewer people would have left the country since the quarantine programme began and so we would be taking fewer international arrivals. Additionally, the international arrivals we would take after a certain date would be put in purpose built facilities designed for quarantine.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The underlying problem here is quarantine being a political flashpoint. All lockdowns except the first ones implemented in each state and territory have been due to the virus escaping quarantine. The second Melbourne lockdown, for example, was due to a massive outbreak stemming from a botched quarantine programme.
In November the same year, the virus also escaped quarantine in South Australia, internal restrictions were tightened and a stay-at-home order was briefly put in place due to a lie told by a Spanish national. South Australia's response was quite authoritarian for a liberal state.

A federally run quarantine programme, with construction of quarantine facilities and moving quarantine out of hotels once construction of them is complete; Combining all of this with more restrictions on leaving the Trans-Tasman bubble could have meant a COVID-19 response more libertarian within our borders.
We could have done away with lockdowns early on in the pandemic because fewer people would have left the country since the quarantine programme began and so we would be taking fewer international arrivals. Additionally, the international arrivals we would take after a certain date would be put in purpose built facilities designed for quarantine.
Myrtone
I have never quite worked out how the states ended up in charge of quarantine during the pandemic but this paper goes some way to explaining it

https://law.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/3473832/MF20-Web3-Aust-ATwomey-FINAL.pdf

However I think that the biggest problem has been the tendency of most if not all governments to be re-active instead of pro-active

Multiple examples have come to light of governments in Australia having been ill-prepared for a global pandemic and then when we did cop one they tended to move slowly in reaction to outbreaks and did not see the need to more quickly in anticipation of further outbreaks / outbreaks getting worse

There are so many contributing factors to this you would need years to go through it all but it is certainly clear in my mind that here in Victoria anyway we have been let down by governments both state and federal during the pandemic and look at where that has left us.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

The underlying problem here is quarantine being a political flashpoint. All lockdowns except the first ones implemented in each state and territory have been due to the virus escaping quarantine. The second Melbourne lockdown, for example, was due to a massive outbreak stemming from a botched quarantine programme.
In November the same year, the virus also escaped quarantine in South Australia, internal restrictions were tightened and a stay-at-home order was briefly put in place due to a lie told by a Spanish national. South Australia's response was quite authoritarian for a liberal state.

A federally run quarantine programme, with construction of quarantine facilities and moving quarantine out of hotels once construction of them is complete; Combining all of this with more restrictions on leaving the Trans-Tasman bubble could have meant a COVID-19 response more libertarian within our borders.
We could have done away with lockdowns early on in the pandemic because fewer people would have left the country since the quarantine programme began and so we would be taking fewer international arrivals. Additionally, the international arrivals we would take after a certain date would be put in purpose built facilities designed for quarantine.
I have never quite worked out how the states ended up in charge of quarantine during the pandemic but this paper goes some way to explaining it

https://law.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/3473832/MF20-Web3-Aust-ATwomey-FINAL.pdf

However I think that the biggest problem has been the tendency of most if not all governments to be re-active instead of pro-active

Multiple examples have come to light of governments in Australia having been ill-prepared for a global pandemic and then when we did cop one they tended to move slowly in reaction to outbreaks and did not see the need to more quickly in anticipation of further outbreaks / outbreaks getting worse

There are so many contributing factors to this you would need years to go through it all but it is certainly clear in my mind that here in Victoria anyway we have been let down by governments both state and federal during the pandemic and look at where that has left us.
BrentonGolding
BG, the simple explanation is Morrison wasn’t prepared to take responsibility.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
BG, the simple explanation is Morrison wasn’t prepared to take responsibility.
michaelgm
No, it's nowhere near that simple.

If it were as simple as that then why did the state governments acquiesce? They could have said no, it's your responsibility, you look after it.

My opinion is that the states were somewhat (but not entirely) happy to be left in charge as it gave them more control over their borders.

Morrison not taking responsibility also doesn't explain the failures of various state governments either.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
NSW is expected to have partial freedoms from tomorrow, hairdressers will be open once more, pubs will be back in business, funerals and weddings will be able to have a 100 person cap.

Currently, NSW Stands at 73.5% DD which is a tremendous effort! world beating in fact!!, 80% DD is expected this week or next week, then who knows where from there... I think now there is an expectation that NSW will get to at LEAST 90% DD. which is tremendous for a state the size of NSW, never mind about what the noisy minority have said, NSW have come and smashed them out of the ball park!!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
73.5% is only world beating if you ignore the countries in the world that have beaten that level of uptake.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
73.5% is only world beating if you ignore the countries in the world that have beaten that level of uptake.
Aaron
True, but NSW is still going strong, and may yet prove to be a world beater when it comes to DD Vaccine.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Good point Aaron.  China reached that sort of level within about a month.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Meanwhile in Melbourne, a horse race with 10000 punters present is more important than fully reopening schools...
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Currently, NSW Stands at 73.5% DD which is a tremendous effort! world beating in fact!!, 80% DD is expected this week or next week, then who knows where from there... I think now there is an expectation that NSW will get to at LEAST 90% DD. which is tremendous for a state the size of NSW, never mind about what the noisy minority have said, NSW have come and smashed them out of the ball park!!
lsrailfan
Priority access to the bulk of Pfizer from the feds and a halving of the time between first and second dose is the reason NSW has done so well.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Currently, NSW Stands at 73.5% DD which is a tremendous effort! world beating in fact!!, 80% DD is expected this week or next week, then who knows where from there... I think now there is an expectation that NSW will get to at LEAST 90% DD. which is tremendous for a state the size of NSW, never mind about what the noisy minority have said, NSW have come and smashed them out of the ball park!!
lsrailfan
First in the nation, not first in the world. Considering they only achieved that due to getting disproportionate access to the supply, it’s no great achievement and certainly nothing to be proud of when balanced by the series of errors from Ruby Princess to Mockdown.

15 nations have higher rates of full vaccination than NSW, so there must be hundreds of units equivalent to NSW (states, provinces, departments, administrative regions etc) which have outperformed NSW.

Interestingly though @Aaron it appears that China is not one of those 15. As of September 18 they are only at 70% https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
First in the nation, not first in the world. Considering they only achieved that due to getting disproportionate access to the supply, it’s no great achievement and certainly nothing to be proud of when balanced by the series of errors from Ruby Princess to Mockdown.
justapassenger
Given NSW is outdone only by the NT (and even then, only because of their significantly lower population) in terms of bringing Australians' home - with the attendant risk that entails - I don't think that's an unreasonable situation to be in. People can keep bringing up the Ruby Princess as much as they like, but NSW learnt from it and got on with the job pretty damn well until Delta came along that didn't conform to the rulebook.

It's all well and good for Wes-tyrannical Australia and their State Daddy or Anna-Stayaway to cry about "Oh, but NSW got more vaccine than us and that's why our vaccination levels are so low" when they haven't done their fair share of HQ or airfreight yet expect equal access to the vaccines.

Perhaps if they had, NSW wouldn't have been in that situation to begin with!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The big problem NSW will have to face in the coming months due to their reliance on Pfizer, is that it's not that great 6 months down the track as Israel has discovered.

India's ZyCoV-D is the vaccine I'm keeping a close eye on.  

Incidentally, Pfizer and Moderna haven't been approved for under 12 year-olds (yet) because their Benefit/Risk ratio is looking rather garbage for that age group.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Currently, NSW Stands at 73.5% DD which is a tremendous effort! world beating in fact!!, 80% DD is expected this week or next week, then who knows where from there... I think now there is an expectation that NSW will get to at LEAST 90% DD. which is tremendous for a state the size of NSW, never mind about what the noisy minority have said, NSW have come and smashed them out of the ball park!!
Priority access to the bulk of Pfizer from the feds and a halving of the time between first and second dose is the reason NSW has done so well.
Mr. Lane
Yes, the halving of the dose time might come back to bite later on, it's a reduced efficacy at halving the dose time, as a matter of fact, I was scheduled for my 2nd A-Z shot about 3 weeks ago, but I did some research on the net, basically it said that there is a far better result with A-Z after 12 weeks than 8 weeks or 6 weeks, so I rang up the practice and asked them to change the booking to the full 12 week term.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

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  303gunner Train Controller

NSW is expected to have partial freedoms from tomorrow, hairdressers will be open once more, pubs will be back in business, funerals and weddings will be able to have a 100 person cap.
lsrailfan
Strangely, after endless weeks of lockdown, I'm more excited to have been able to have booked in for a haircut at the Barber's than I was at booking in for Vax shots. Home trims suck. I do find it very odd though having to make an appointment at the Barber's! It used to be walk in, take a seat, read the paper until it's your turn. Is this the new Normal? Surprised Blokes can't book anything in advance!
  303gunner Train Controller

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Carnot
Ha-ha indeed! 5G nanobot sterility for them!
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
The big problem NSW will have to face in the coming months due to their reliance on Pfizer, is that it's not that great 6 months down the track as Israel has discovered.
Carnot
Like nearly all other COVID-19 vaccines, it is a two dose vaccine and in Israel, each vaccinated person had had the two shots too close together.

Incidentally, Pfizer and Moderna haven't been approved for under 12 year-olds (yet) because their Benefit/Risk ratio is looking rather garbage for that age group.
Carnot
Some COVID-19 vaccine(s) is/are approved for emergency use in those as young as 5 in the U.S, I'm not sure which ones.
  303gunner Train Controller

The big problem NSW will have to face in the coming months due to their reliance on Pfizer, is that it's not that great 6 months down the track as Israel has discovered.
Like nearly all other COVID-19 vaccines, it is a two dose vaccine and in Israel, each vaccinated person had had the two shots too close together.

Incidentally, Pfizer and Moderna haven't been approved for under 12 year-olds (yet) because their Benefit/Risk ratio is looking rather garbage for that age group.
Some COVID-19 vaccine(s) is/are approved for emergency use in those as young as 5 in the U.S, I'm not sure which ones.
Myrtone
Australia (and New Zealand) does not have the TGA approval category "For Emergency Use". It's either Not Approved, or Full Approval.

Even in the US, It took Pfizer some months to go from Emergency Use Approval for adults to Full Approval. I expect there will be some lag in Children's approval. While this emergency use approval sounds like a good idea to roll out Vaccines quicker in a pandemic, I think it has also gone some way to driving the Anti-Vax reluctance; "Why isn't it fully approved? What's the problem?". In Australia, there is a more comprehensive approval process that should increase public confidence.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The big problem NSW will have to face in the coming months due to their reliance on Pfizer, is that it's not that great 6 months down the track as Israel has discovered.
Like nearly all other COVID-19 vaccines, it is a two dose vaccine and in Israel, each vaccinated person had had the two shots too close together.

Incidentally, Pfizer and Moderna haven't been approved for under 12 year-olds (yet) because their Benefit/Risk ratio is looking rather garbage for that age group.
Some COVID-19 vaccine(s) is/are approved for emergency use in those as young as 5 in the U.S, I'm not sure which ones.
Australia (and New Zealand) does not have the TGA approval category "For Emergency Use". It's either Not Approved, or Full Approval.

Even in the US, It took Pfizer some months to go from Emergency Use Approval for adults to Full Approval. I expect there will be some lag in Children's approval. While this emergency use approval sounds like a good idea to roll out Vaccines quicker in a pandemic, I think it has also gone some way to driving the Anti-Vax reluctance; "Why isn't it fully approved? What's the problem?". In Australia, there is a more comprehensive approval process that should increase public confidence.
303gunner
Agree.  The most common argument I've heard from anti-vaxxers is - "I'm not consenting to taking an experimental drug".

Meanwhile, some said anti-vaxxers are trying to bribe GPs in Melbourne to get medical exemptions.  That's just plan criminal and makes a mockery of any statement they make saying they are "people of integrity"...

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