Adani changes to narrow gauge

 
  M636C Minister for Railways

4600 class are apparently 'GT46CU-ACe Gen III (3)' hence the new look.
These are described as GT46CU-ACE Gen 3 locomotive, so is Gen 3 in this case the same as USA domestic locos Tier 3 standards?

EDIT; would these particular locos that are now imported into QLD meet present day USA domestic emission standards for new build locos to run in the USA?

https://dieselnet.com/standards/us/loco.php
petan
The original GT46C ACe met USA Tier III standards.
The 710 engine can't meet Tier IV without exhaust aftertreatment.

One locomotive has been built with a 710 engine and aftertreatment, a rebuild by Norfolk Southern.
As far as I know it has not entered service.

Peter

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Interesting to see that the UK Labour party will tear up the AUSUK agreement if they win the next election Australia doesn't reduce emissions.  I can see a stranded asset in the making...
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Any photos of the office doing the rounds yet?

No plans whatsoever to end up working one of these, but always interested in seeing what manufacturers think is now in vogue for crew creature comforts...
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Bowen Rail Company released some specifications today for the 4600s - 23.7m long & 138-tonnes.
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
Gen 3 as in 3rd Generation of the GT46C-ACe platform, Gen 2 being the 3x GWB class, Gen 1 the originals built locally. Nothing to do with emissions.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Gen 3 as in 3rd Generation of the GT46C-ACe platform, Gen 2 being the 3x GWB class, Gen 1 the originals built locally. Nothing to do with emissions.
GT46C-ACe
Thanks for that clarification on the generation stages Surprised

My main focus is determining if the 710 engine in those Adani locos carries a plaque stating they could not be operated in the USA, which i understand is the case in some other locos imported into Australia from USA in recent years. Thus wondering if Adani or whatever it is now called, are importing the latest environmental friendly locos, or is Adani taking the lazy less environmental friendly option?
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
They would have, but would be rated for Tier 3 in US terms (Tier 4 is in effect so clearly cannot be taken back to the US and used). No real witch hunt really just the govt not imposing stricter emissions standards.

Considering what the US Tiers actually require and the end result (burning more fuel to burn off specified elements) the whole thing needs a thorough going over...
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
The model number is interesting.
This is an Australian model number, possibly to link this locomotive to the very successful GT42ACU -ACe.

This locomotive appears to be a USA built model GT46AC, fitted with an Australian style cab and Australian design bogies.

Compare the GT46AC seen at
https://www.progressrail.com/en/Segments/RollingStock/Locomotives/FreightLocomotives/GT46AC.html

t can be seen that the arrangement of the hood doors and air intakes matches that of the standard US export unit, and is nothing like that of the GT42CU ACe or GT46C ACe built in Australia.

Gen III might just mean that it has later equipment than the GWB class which were model GT46C ACe.
It is possible that these units have separate inverters per axle, although this option was not that popular on the USA market.

These Bowen Rail locomotives seem to be lower in height than the standard GT46AC and also longer.
The GT46AC is already longer than 22 metres, the standard length over couplers in Australia.
The extra length can be seen in the section of hood behind the dynamic brakes.

I expect that One Rail may purchase some of these.

Peter
M636C
If the build quality is anything like the GWBs, then they will need to undergo a rebuild be they can operate without problems.
  M636C Minister for Railways

If the build quality is anything like the GWBs, then they will need to undergo a rebuild be they can operate without problems.
It appears that they have successfully built a lot of GT46ACs.
The problem might have been with using the Australian design with which they were not familiar.
These new locomotives have no relationship with the Australian GT46C-ACe except for using the same basic engine and generator and other major components.  They have, however, been adapted to use bogies of Australian design.

Peter
  M636C Minister for Railways

Gen 3 as in 3rd Generation of the GT46C-ACe platform, Gen 2 being the 3x GWB class, Gen 1 the originals built locally. Nothing to do with emissions.
Thanks for that clarification on the generation stages Surprised

My main focus is determining if the 710 engine in those Adani locos carries a plaque stating they could not be operated in the USA, which i understand is the case in some other locos imported into Australia from USA in recent years. Thus wondering if Adani or whatever it is now called, are importing the latest environmental friendly locos, or is Adani taking the lazy less environmental friendly option?
petan
I can't claim to have seen the engine plates, but the locomotive normally carries a plate indicating non compliance with US emissions requirements. These should be fitted to the Bowen Rail locomotives.

Because the USA emissions requirements only apply to domestic USA locomotives, no export locomotives have been offered meeting USA Tier 4 emissions requirements. So Bowen Rail did not have the option of buying a 1067mm gauge locomotive meeting USA Tier 4 requirements.

Peter
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Seems they're having trouble getting enough crew...They've advertised again on Seek nationwide for what is, I believe, the third time for Driver's to be residentially-based up there.Rolling Eyes

Perhaps if they'd consider a 2/2 FIFO or DIDO roster they'd get more applicants...There's plenty of blokes I work with that live in Qld & NSW that have got the shytes with WesTyrannical Australia and their border bollocks who might consider coming home. Wink
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Seems they're having trouble getting enough crew...They've advertised again on Seek nationwide for what is, I believe, the third time for Driver's to be residentially-based up there.Rolling Eyes

Perhaps if they'd consider a 2/2 FIFO or DIDO roster they'd get more applicants...There's plenty of blokes I work with that live in Qld & NSW that have got the shytes with WesTyrannical Australia and their border bollocks who might consider coming home. Wink
KRviator

Part of Adani's agreement with the Queensland government was to use locally sourced staff, so I don't think FIFO is on the cards for traincrew. I'm aware of some traincrew working in Bowen for Pacific National who have DIDOed to and from Townsville and Mackay (both cities are 200km from Bowen).

Bowen has a population of 10,400 and is part of the Whitsundays Regional Council, which has a population of 36,000 - so it's not really the back'o Bourke kind of place usually needing FIFO. I'd suggest Bowen Rail needs to offer more dollars than it currently is to coax qualified crews from other operators.
  8502 Chief Train Controller

If the government of Australia agrees to zero net emissions by 2030 then how is adani going to make money with the world moving away from coal?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Adani is mining coal for its own power stations in India. When they stop burning coal, Adani will stop mining coal.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

After seven months of track laying, the 189km Carmichael Network has been completed. Test trains are expected to begin shortly. Work continues on the Bowen Rail Company's main servicing yard just east of Kaili on Aurizon's Abbot Point Branch.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

After seven months of track laying, the 189km Carmichael Network has been completed. Test trains are expected to begin shortly. Work continues on the Bowen Rail Company's main servicing yard just east of Kaili on Aurizon's Abbot Point Branch.
Sulla1
Wow.... Putting 3 lifts in at my local station has taken twice as long and probably consumed as many man-hours.
  GL26C-2 Beginner

Bowen Rail operated a test train on Aurizon's Newlands system on the 4/11/21 with 4601 leading 6 PHAH hoppers and 4603 as a trailing unit. A glimpse into Bowen Rail's plan to operate four sets by the end of the year, each set having 2 locos and 82 wagons.
  Expost Chief Commissioner

At a union meeting yesterday, we were told that Bowen Rail locos had inward facing cameras and microphones as standard equipment out of the US. Seems the union has negotiated with the company for these to be disabled, which is a good thing.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Bowen Rail Company's first full length 82-wagon test train (partly loaded) from the Carmichael Mine to Abbot Point had an eventful journey yesterday after a protestor chained herself to a wagon while it was stopped for a cross north of Collinsville. Police used cutting equipment to remove her. Locomotives 4602, 4601 & 4603 were at the head of the train.

https://www.bowenrail.com.au/statement-on-dangerous-protest-activity/?fbclid=IwAR3-1oa6ow_p1T8Xkcdh-bLQniaoYUkQD5nf7V08GiafOX5_6dVHp8qSUqs
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Six more of BRC's 4600s have arrived at the Townsville Port (presumably 4604-4610) and are awaiting road transport south.


BRC has also announced it will be running 86-wagon consists with two 4600s, which should mean a gross train weight of around 9,116-tonnes, while Bravus has released video of a set running with a rear locomotive in Distributed Power.

https://fb.watch/9mR7hkr4uS/
  Expost Chief Commissioner

Six more of BRC's 4600s have arrived at the Townsville Port (presumably 4604-4610) and are awaiting road transport south.


BRC has also announced it will be running 86-wagon consists with two 4600s, which should mean a gross train weight of around 9,116-tonnes, while Bravus has released video of a set running with a rear locomotive in Distributed Power.

https://fb.watch/9mR7hkr4uS/
Sulla1
Why road transport them? Put them on track and haul them down dead.
  Sunbird Locomotive Fireman

Is there any info on where the wagons were made ?
I had always assumed this project backed by Indian business intrests would source the wagons (any maybe even the locomotives) from Indian suppliers.
However it seems their haste to complete the long delayed project meant they had to source the equipment from existing suppliers which would mean Chinese made wagons.
Anyone know if this is the case?
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
"Why road transport them? Put them on track and haul them down dead."

Because even with an empty tank they're still too heavy to go on the NCL?

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