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  Carnot Minister for Railways

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Speaking of the cold, winter is starting early this year in the northern hemisphere - the western United States has just experienced an influx of polar air and up to two feet of snow is possible across Wyoming, Montana, Idaho and Utah. There's already been heavy falls across Oregon and Washington State described as 'unprecedented and very early'.

Meanwhile there's also been extremely cold weather in Eastern Europe and the Balkans - must be that global warming that I've been hearing so much about.

I could NOT find any evidence for this, not that I should have had to look as you, true to form didn't add any evidence to your wishful thinking.

M.
I don't put links in just because you ask for them - and you have to try using the INTERNET, Mike, not your 1975 Encyclopedia Brittanica.

From the US National Weather service yesterday:

Heavy snow and powerful winds in the Great Basin mountains, Rockies, and into the High Plains will create hazardous travel conditions. Strong winds will produce critical fire weather threats in portions of California and the Colorado Front Range. Severe storms developing in the Plains ahead of this front may have damaging winds, large hail, and a couple of tornadoes.
don_dunstan

We all know you lost the plot some time ago and for the most part we skip over or totally ignore your 'predictions' and heartless and wilful comments altogether. But to me you're a kind of online 'sport', worthy of engaging to see how ridiculous and unbelievable your next post will be....keep going, I'm certain you can eventually confound even yourself.

Mike.
  303gunner Train Controller

Coal is heading to a dead-end in Western Australia:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-09/federal-court-blow-griffin-coal-mine-collie/100525704
Carnot
That story just sounds like a foreign-owned company trying to be tight with every dollar it can get out of the operation, purely financial, but to the detriment of local sub-contractors. Not necessarily Anti-Coal.

But this story paints the picture of Coal's future in WA:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/bluewaters-coal-fired-power-station-written-off-books/12990532
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Coal is heading to a dead-end in Western Australia:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-09/federal-court-blow-griffin-coal-mine-collie/100525704
That story just sounds like a foreign-owned company trying to be tight with every dollar it can get out of the operation, purely financial, but to the detriment of local sub-contractors. Not necessarily Anti-Coal.

But this story paints the picture of Coal's future in WA:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/bluewaters-coal-fired-power-station-written-off-books/12990532
303gunner
Good thing that WA has plenty of abandoned mines that could be used for pumped hydro...  (Water up the hill during the day, downhill at night).
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Can someone please explain to me what the Murdoch Empire's position on climate change was before this big turnaround by them, and what is it now?, I might be able to better understand the arguments if this was explained?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Speaking of the cold, winter is starting early this year in the northern hemisphere - the western United States has just experienced an influx of polar air and up to two feet of snow is possible across Wyoming, Montana, Idaho and Utah. There's already been heavy falls across Oregon and Washington State described as 'unprecedented and very early'.

Meanwhile there's also been extremely cold weather in Eastern Europe and the Balkans - must be that global warming that I've been hearing so much about.

I could NOT find any evidence for this, not that I should have had to look as you, true to form didn't add any evidence to your wishful thinking.

M.
I don't put links in just because you ask for them - and you have to try using the INTERNET, Mike, not your 1975 Encyclopedia Brittanica.

From the US National Weather service yesterday:

Heavy snow and powerful winds in the Great Basin mountains, Rockies, and into the High Plains will create hazardous travel conditions. Strong winds will produce critical fire weather threats in portions of California and the Colorado Front Range. Severe storms developing in the Plains ahead of this front may have damaging winds, large hail, and a couple of tornadoes.

We all know you lost the plot some time ago and for the most part we skip over or totally ignore your 'predictions' and heartless and wilful comments altogether. But to me you're a kind of online 'sport', worthy of engaging to see how ridiculous and unbelievable your next post will be....keep going, I'm certain you can eventually confound even yourself.

Mike.
The Vinelander
You just love having something to complain about, it gives your life a purpose. Coming onto Railpage and whinging about Don Dunstan -

Doth protesth too much.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
No, what you're supposed to say is something vague about seasonal variations not being an indicator of non-global warming - that standard flat-earther obfuscation explaining away the lack of evidence. Wink
Nah a complete lack of evidence is the anthropogenic global warming conspiracy theory side - not the 'nothing is happening' camp.

Just like Mike you're happy to force the poor to pay more for everything because it doesn't affect you and your feelings of being a righteous prig.
don_dunstan
Don't you just hate it when someone uses your own words against you, nuanced to suit.

I must do it more often.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
You just love having something to complain about, it gives your life a purpose. Coming onto Railpage and whinging about Don Dunstan -

Doth protesth too much.
don_dunstan

I would never whinge about the former Premier of SA...YOU on the other hand, set yourself up for all the lampooning you receive.

M.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Can someone please explain to me what the Murdoch Empire's position on climate change was before this big turnaround by them, and what is it now?, I might be able to better understand the arguments if this was explained?
lsrailfan
The before position:

"OK SfM, please bend over the desk...."

The position now:

"OK SfM, bend over and touch your toes, NOW!...
  303gunner Train Controller

Can someone please explain to me what the Murdoch Empire's position on climate change was before this big turnaround by them, and what is it now?, I might be able to better understand the arguments if this was explained?
The before position:

"OK SfM, please bend over the desk...."

The position now:

"OK SfM, bend over and touch your toes, NOW!...
justarider
SfM?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
You just love having something to complain about, it gives your life a purpose. Coming onto Railpage and whinging about Don Dunstan -

Doth protesth too much.

I would never whinge about the former Premier of SA...YOU on the other hand, set yourself up for all the lampooning you receive.

M.
The Vinelander
Yeah see Don Dunstan was all for lifting the poor out of poverty - whereas you're all for an imaginary, confected crisis that is transferring money from the poor to the rich. And we never hear a peep from you about that fact because you think what you're doing is right and virtuous.
Don't you just hate it when someone uses your own words against you, nuanced to suit. I must do it more often.
Dirty Ballast
Anything to avoid owning up to your own fanatical belief in this rubbish, hey.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
You just love having something to complain about, it gives your life a purpose. Coming onto Railpage and whinging about Don Dunstan -

Doth protesth too much.

I would never whinge about the former Premier of SA...YOU on the other hand, set yourself up for all the lampooning you receive.

M.
Yeah see Don Dunstan was all for lifting the poor out of poverty - whereas you're all for an imaginary, confected crisis that is transferring money from the poor to the rich. And we never hear a peep from you about that fact because you think what you're doing is right and virtuous.
Don't you just hate it when someone uses your own words against you, nuanced to suit. I must do it more often.
Anything to avoid owning up to your own fanatical belief in this rubbish, hey.
don_dunstan
Anything to avoid owning up to your own fanatical disbelief of this issue, hey.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Anything to avoid owning up to your own fanatical disbelief of this issue, hey.
DirtyBallast
That's an excellent defense of quarter of a century of totally failed predictions.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Anything to avoid owning up to your own fanatical disbelief of this issue, hey.
That's an excellent defense of quarter of a century of totally failed predictions.
don_dunstan
Meanwhile, you continue to hang your hat on one particular youtube video of Gore quoting someone else saying something about melting polar icecaps - whcich you have NEVER linked.

YOUR predictions are far less accurate than any climate scientist - but way more amusing. Grass yurts, anyone? Laughing
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Anything to avoid owning up to your own fanatical disbelief of this issue, hey.
That's an excellent defense of quarter of a century of totally failed predictions.
Meanwhile, you continue to hang your hat on one particular youtube video of Gore quoting someone else saying something about melting polar icecaps - whcich you have NEVER linked.

YOUR predictions are far less accurate than any climate scientist - but way more amusing. Grass yurts, anyone? Laughing
DirtyBallast
Another one who apparently can't use the interwebs machine to search these things out for themselves. There's a myriad of failed predictions from the 'experts' out there - all you have to do is look for them.

But you won't do that because just like Mike you're willfully ignorant to the reality of the situation and you're secretly terrified that I'm right.

I am right, by the way - and you will experience significant cognitive dissonance when you realise you've been lied to for years just as I did several years ago when I came to the conclusion 'climate change' was a scam developed by the plutocracy to enrich themselves even more. But in my experience it's better to know the truth don't you think?

Or are you happy being a useful idiot.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Climate Change is not a scam by the way, there is such a beast, all it is, is rather a question of how much man is contributing to it, like I said a couple of days ago, I tend to believe it's more cyclical than anything else.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
YOUR predictions are far less accurate than any climate scientist - but way more amusing. Grass yurts, anyone? Laughing
I am right, by the way -
don_dunstan
Laughing
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
YOUR predictions are far less accurate than any climate scientist - but way more amusing. Grass yurts, anyone? Laughing
I am right, by the way -
Laughing
DirtyBallast
Not that I'd expect you to understand but there are indeed people who live in this country who are dirt poor and practically do live in grass yurts, particularly in rural and regional areas because you can scrape by with chooks and a veggie garden if you have to. For example, Shire of Yarriambiack in the Wimmera/Mallee (for example) has an average income well below the poverty line. When you're that poor you really are in grass yurt territory - certainly things like electricity price rises disproportionately affect you more than someone earning the average wage of around $75,000. When you're poor you're also likely to have sub-standard accommodation, certainly not as well insulated as the wealthy.

Anyway, instead of whining like Mike does with monotonous regularity why don't you research failed climate change predictions for yourself? I've suggested it to you a few times now, it really isn't that had to look these things up. Start with Tim Flannery and his embarrassing predictions about Aussie cities becoming 'unlivable' some fifteen years ago - now remember, he's someone who was so highly regarded as an expert in the field of climate change that he was appointed the head of his own government agency by the Gillard government.

To what extent did that prediction come true?

You mentioned Al Gore earlier - he made the remark about the Arctic becoming ice-free on German television around 2008 from memory, it isn't easy to find on the internet any more but he certainly did say it. Right up there with Prince Charles saying in 2009 that there was just 8 years to 'save the world' from the ravages of climate change. Recent history is littered with these failed predictions - but if you want to stay ignorant about how inaccurate the 'science' is then that's your choice.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Can someone please explain to me what the Murdoch Empire's position on climate change was before this big turnaround by them, and what is it now?, I might be able to better understand the arguments if this was explained?
The before position:

"OK SfM, please bend over the desk...."

The position now:

"OK SfM, bend over and touch your toes, NOW!...
justarider
Scotty is going to Glasgow LaughingLaughingLaughing
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich
YOUR predictions are far less accurate than any climate scientist - but way more amusing. Grass yurts, anyone? Laughing
I am right, by the way -
Laughing
Not that I'd expect you to understand but there are indeed people who live in this country who are dirt poor and practically do live in grass yurts, particularly in rural and regional areas because you can scrape by with chooks and a veggie garden if you have to. For example, Shire of Yarriambiack in the Wimmera/Mallee (for example) has an average income well below the poverty line. When you're that poor you really are in grass yurt territory - certainly things like electricity price rises disproportionately affect you more than someone earning the average wage of around $75,000. When you're poor you're also likely to have sub-standard accommodation, certainly not as well insulated as the wealthy.

Anyway, instead of whining like Mike does with monotonous regularity why don't you research failed climate change predictions for yourself? I've suggested it to you a few times now, it really isn't that had to look these things up. Start with Tim Flannery and his embarrassing predictions about Aussie cities becoming 'unlivable' some fifteen years ago - now remember, he's someone who was so highly regarded as an expert in the field of climate change that he was appointed the head of his own government agency by the Gillard government.

To what extent did that prediction come true?

You mentioned Al Gore earlier - he made the remark about the Arctic becoming ice-free on German television around 2008 from memory, it isn't easy to find on the internet any more but he certainly did say it. Right up there with Prince Charles saying in 2009 that there was just 8 years to 'save the world' from the ravages of climate change. Recent history is littered with these failed predictions - but if you want to stay ignorant about how inaccurate the 'science' is then that's your choice.
don_dunstan
Unfortuntaley there will always be people who want to grab headlines by making illogical and ill-advised statements as Flannery et al have done. They are descredited now. However this does not mean the entirety of climate science goes out the door with them in my humble opinion.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Instead of all the expense, air travel, and hot air involved in the latest edition of the "lets all blame Carbon" fest, why wasn't an email circulated to every country with one question - Ïs your government going to set a target date for net zero?"   All those that say no will be cast into eternal damnation or declared a developing country.
This would also save the world from hearing from has beens like Rudd & Turnbull and Charlie the looney.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Anyway, instead of whining like Mike does with monotonous regularity why don't you research failed climate change predictions for yourself? I've suggested it to you a few times now, it really isn't that had to look these things up.
don_dunstan

I'm not 'whining'. I'm posting facts and evidence, where appropriate and it's not the bleeding obvious but because the facts don't suit your far right agenda, you call it whining.

You're opposing the royals as well. Now that we know that Prince Charles and HRH herself are obviously forward and progressive thinkers, you are even more bereft of support in your lonely crusade.

Still...keep prattling on, someone may be reading your alternative opinions.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm not 'whining'.
The Vinelander
IN fact you are - you whine incessantly about me personally without going anywhere near what I'm trying to discuss.
I'm posting facts and evidence, where appropriate and it's not the bleeding obvious but because the facts don't suit your far right agenda, you call it whining.
The Vinelander
I could go back through this thread and others where you've engaged with me and I don't think I'd find a single link or a reference to any factual information. Again, you just complain about me and call me names, that's pretty much all you come here for isn't it Mike. The joy of complaining.
Now that we know that Prince Charles and HRH herself are obviously forward and progressive thinkers, you are even more bereft of support in your lonely crusade. Still...keep prattling on, someone may be reading your alternative opinions. Mike.
The Vinelander
"Progressive forward thinkers" who don't have a clue that what they're doing isn't actually any better than burning coal or gas - in fact probably worse because they're helping to destroy old-growth forests on the other side of the planet while they create huge amounts of particulate pollution right where the damn stuff is burnt in the UK. He hasn't got a clue though, he seriously thinks burning wood shipped in from the other side of the planet is actually better.

Don't forget this is the same dill who told us in 2009 that the world was definitely going to end by now. And you seriously think they're right? You're as bad as they are, Mike, you're just another useful idiot.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Unfortuntaley there will always be people who want to grab headlines by making illogical and ill-advised statements as Flannery et al have done. They are descredited now. However this does not mean the entirety of climate science goes out the door with them in my humble opinion.
arctic
Not true - as I explained, Flannery et al are the ones who are actually directing the policy and making the decisions - he was head of his own agency that was doing that. It stopped once Abbott got into government but Flannery is still very much calling the shots and making decisions - Turnbull was certainly taking direction from him.

As I keep emphasizing, look at the history of failed predictions from all of these 'experts'. We're told repeatedly to 'trust the science' but the problem is that the science has no predictive capacity whatsoever so it really isn't a science by any definition of what a science actually is. Even the Bureau of Meteorology hasn't got a clue - about 15 years ago they told us that cyclones would be more severe, more frequent, and would move further south and affect places like Geraldton and Sydney. Instead the opposite has happened - we have far fewer cyclones and they've decreased in intensity.

No apology, no explanation - instead they double down with these predictions of immanent catastrophe and tell us (yet again) that this is definitely what's going to happen despite the fact that all their previous forecasts have failed miserably. It's all a load of rubbish. They don't know, they don't have a clue. And yet we're spending tens (if not hundreds) of billions of dollars on infrastructure and projects on the basis of this failed advice. Why?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean

You mentioned Al Gore earlier - he made the remark about the Arctic becoming ice-free on German television around 2008 from memory, it isn't easy to find on the internet any more but he certainly did say it. Right up there with Prince Charles saying in 2009 that there was just 8 years to 'save the world' from the ravages of climate change. Recent history is littered with these failed predictions - but if you want to stay ignorant about how inaccurate the 'science' is then that's your choice.
don_dunstan
Your claim about the Gore speech has been discredited how many times now? Yet you persist?

For the umpteenth time, Gore was QUOTING SOMEONE ELSE, yet in YOUR mind, they were HIS words exclusively and YOU keep saying so. And again for the umpteenth time, don't come back with that semantics crap; at the end of the day, YOUR version of events is factually WRONG.

The only explanation I can think of is that you have been radicalised. You stated further up the page that you basically had an epiphany regarding climate change, but something must have triggered it. Someone must have taken advantage of your weakened mind. What's really going on in your head? What is the trauma that led you to your present state of mind? Why can't you deal with it? Are you ok? Do you need supervision?

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