Tangara in the dirt at Kembla Grange

 
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
A 4-car Tangara looks to have hit an unoccupied car at the West Dapto Rd crossing coming into Kembla Grange Station in the wee hours this morning.

Initial reports suggest the Driver was trapped in the cab for a while and along with 3 passengers, was taken to hospital. The lead car is on its' side & uncoupled from the rest of the train several metres from track.

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  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Fortunately, the timing meant low passenger load. Hope the driver and pax will be ok.

And that the police are able to track down whoever left the car behind. Then we will see how soft the court system is.
  Griffinrails Official Locomotive Fireman

Location: Dunno. (help i'm lost)
JESUS! Was not expecting this today. Throw them in jail and eat the key!
The set's apparently going to be written off, unsure as to which one it is.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
How would we know after a couple of hours the set will be written off?
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I'd be very surprised if that's the case, @bevans.

Cars 3&4 are still ontrack, car 2 will need a bogie exchange and maybe a couple of skirts, and car 1 will need a bit of work, certainly, but unless there's structural damage, it should be doable. It'll be another day at least before car 1 is back on her feet to even begin assessing the damage.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Leaving an abandoned car on railway tracks is an entirely stupid and reckless act.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
JESUS! Was not expecting this today. Throw them in jail and eat the key!
The set's apparently going to be written off, unsure as to which one it is.
Griffinrails Official
It will just 'buff out'. Smile
I doubt that Jesus had anything to do with it.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Leaving an abandoned car on railway tracks is an entirely stupid and reckless act.
bevans
Could've been a heck of a lot worse.

The US Glendale derailment was caused by some scrote who wanted to off himself by getting hit on a crossing while in his car, but changed his mind, got out and left his SUV ontrack. 11 dead, 177 injured. Said scrote was convicted of 11 counts of murder and got life without parole.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
The set's apparently going to be written off, unsure as to which one it is.
Griffinrails Official
You don't know that for sure. An investigation has to take place first. The only time (I am aware of) a carriage was scrapped on site was DCM 8028 and that was because it could not be moved by road:



The Tangara car looks in pretty good nick - so they'll move it to Maintrain at Auburn where an actual investigation will take place.

The fate of the D car will no doubt spell the fate of its partner N car.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

In respect to the accident at Kembla Grange, Wednesday, October 20, from the ABC Midday News Bulletin, the 2nd Car in the consist is Car 5212.

Car 5212 was in set T42.

Travelling north the Consist for set T42 should be: 6212 (on its side), 5212, 5211, 6211.
  mitchy93 Beginner

It's a good one, I'll give you that. The vehicle was a stolen nissan elgrand minivan, pictures and videos are on the illawarra Mercury website

Was driven South down the tracks, given the force of the full speed 80k impact and the subsequent collision into the platform edges, I have my doubts the 2 leading cars will ever be repaired. The 2 rears may not be either, given the sheer force they were under coming to a stop so quickly
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Was driven South down the tracks, given the force of the full speed 80k impact and the subsequent collision into the platform edges, I have my doubts the 2 leading cars will ever be repaired.
mitchy93
The speed on the up at Kembla Grange is 100.

I imagine the speed, therefore, might have been closer to 100.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Anyone have a BING or GOOGLE MAP for the location?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
With the greatest respect to the post by scott4570, I would not dignify this incident with the term "accident". An accident cannot be foreseen or prevented; this was sabotage, pure and simple, and I hope police find the criminal responsible. He should be charged with attempted murder.
  mitchy93 Beginner

Anyone have a BING or GOOGLE MAP for the location?
bevans


-34.470439, 150.816556
  mitchy93 Beginner

Was driven South down the tracks, given the force of the full speed 80k impact and the subsequent collision into the platform edges, I have my doubts the 2 leading cars will ever be repaired.
The speed on the up at Kembla Grange is 100.

I imagine the speed, therefore, might have been closer to 100.
s3_gunzel
its a pretty blind corner, but being a silver minivan and reflective in the lights more, they may have had the chance to drop the anchor a bit and bring it down to 80-85
  mitchy93 Beginner

furthermore, i wonder what the damage would have been to a standard H set that runs down the lines here?
i assume the sloped front of the tangara may have contributed to the car being sorta snowplowed by the train?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Was driven South down the tracks, given the force of the full speed 80k impact and the subsequent collision into the platform edges, I have my doubts the 2 leading cars will ever be repaired.
The speed on the up at Kembla Grange is 100.

I imagine the speed, therefore, might have been closer to 100.
its a pretty blind corner, but being a silver minivan and reflective in the lights more, they may have had the chance to drop the anchor a bit and bring it down to 80-85
mitchy93
If you stick a train straight into emergency, there is a bit of a delay between you shoving the controller into emergency and the brakes actually applying as the air bleeds from the pipe. It's definitely not a large delay, but I'm not sure there would have been much effect to the speed of the train.

This is all speculation anyway. I expect there'll be a report by either the ATSB or ONRSR.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

I have my doubts the 2 leading cars will ever be repaired. The 2 rears may not be either, given the sheer force they were under coming to a stop so quickly
mitchy93
Do you have any technical experience to make this claim?
  Griffinrails Official Locomotive Fireman

Location: Dunno. (help i'm lost)
To be fair, the only source I had for the set being written off is a friend when he asked a worker on scene about what would happen.
If C1 could be deemed "unpreserveable" due to a teeny bit of graffiti on the front end, then I doubt we'll see T42 in service any time soon.
I bet that this would make a headline in Railway Digest or something similar. It's quite a major accident when compared to others this year, the only one as major would be Bomen or Coffs Harbor.
  alleve Station Master

Location: T4 Illawarra Line
Apparently a man was seen leaving the area shortly after the derailment, could be a potential suspect. I hope they catch whoever did this and get them for theft, multiple counts of property damage (a car + a train = millions of dollars) and most importantly however many counts of attempted murder. It's a miracle there weren't any serious injuries or fatalities
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Trespass and a parking ticket.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

With the greatest respect to the post by scott4570, I would not dignify this incident with the term "accident". An accident cannot be foreseen or prevented; this was sabotage, pure and simple, and I hope police find the criminal responsible. He should be charged with attempted murder.
Valvegear
Yes, this should be referred to as an "incident", to be determined as deliberate or otherwise.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
If C1 could be deemed "unpreserveable" due to a teeny bit of graffiti on the front end, then I doubt we'll see T42 in service any time soon.
Griffinrails Official
What?

That’s not at all what happened with C1.

The Tangara is an insured asset - if the cost of the repair outweighs what it costs to repair it’ll be written off. You’re confusing a potential heritage asset for an entity that doesn’t have a lot of money and doesn’t get bankrolled, with a government organisation with insured assets.
  AheadMatthewawsome Train Controller

Location: NOT Banned
Hi all, can anybody confirm a derailment happening today at Moss Vale? Apparently there’s been a 81 Class Freight Train derailing on catch points, smashing into a Endeavour Storage Facility. That’s 2 out of 3 in the past 24 hours!

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