Crown told to delay Barangaroo casino

 
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Just as Onan, being sound of body, was command  by God to help provide for his brother's family, thus is Mr. Packer, as a wealthy man, commanded to provide for his greater Australian family. But just as Onan took advantage of the situation merely for his own pleasure and failed to deliver as was his duty, providing carnal pleasure perhaps but also being deceptive, thus is Mr. Packer providing an ephemeral carnal pleasure with no hope of lasting reward. As with the Crime of Onan, the Crime of Packer is causing family breakdown and misery. And as with the Crime of Onan, the seed, that is to say the resources he has available which could be put to fruitful use, allowing future stability and prosperity, of Mr. Packer, is being wantonly spilt. Wasteful.

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Well don't stop there, billy. God slew Onan; shouldn't He/She also slay Mr Packer? (Oops, I shouldn't say He/She; St Paul wouldn't like it.)
  8502 Chief Train Controller

Ah found a thread.

Crown Casino issues are deepening after reading the news today where it is suggested the casino regulator in Victoria turned a blind eye to the issues to which it was briefed.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Of course they turned a blind eye. Several very powerful and influential politicians (both Lib and ALP), business people, and vested interests made sure 'there was nothing see'.

Casinos by their very nature invite corruption and criminal behaviour, right to the highest levels of Government...
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Now Crown are making veiled threats at the RC.  They have no shame. And they would never apologize for the 1000s of people ruined by their operation:
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Delayed? More like sprung a very bad leak that's filling the basement:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-13/sydney-crown-tower-leaking-water-into-basement/100290042
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Crown Obsceno made their submission to the RC yesterday.  Using the same old arguments: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/crown-casino-royal-commission-workers/100365220

Anyway, sacked Crown CEO exits the building while it's on fire with his submission:
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Victorian Royal Commission into Crown Resorts has found Crown’s “disgraceful” conduct has made it unsuitable to run its Melbourne casino, but has recommended that immediate cancellation of its licence is not in the best interests of the community

Instead the royal commission has recommended the appointment of a “Special Manager” to oversee a path to suitability over a course of two years - but that outcome has not guaranteed.

Commissioner Ray Finkelstein has also recommended limiting 37 per cent shareholder James Packer’s stake to 5 per cent through amendments to the state’s casino regulations in three year’s time, when restrictions on his shareholding levied by NSW’s gaming regulator earlier this year expire.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The Victorian Royal Commission into Crown Resorts has found Crown’s “disgraceful” conduct has made it unsuitable to run its Melbourne casino, but has recommended that immediate cancellation of its licence is not in the best interests of the community

Instead the royal commission has recommended the appointment of a “Special Manager” to oversee a path to suitability over a course of two years - but that outcome has not guaranteed.

Commissioner Ray Finkelstein has also recommended limiting 37 per cent shareholder James Packer’s stake to 5 per cent through amendments to the state’s casino regulations in three year’s time, when restrictions on his shareholding levied by NSW’s gaming regulator earlier this year expire.
bevans
Crown were ALWAYS going to keep their license no matter how inept and corrupt they have been.

I'm sure that certain politicians in the Victorian State Govt made it absolutely certain this was going to be the case...  Sir Joh/Robert Askin/Brian Burke/Gladys B were saints compared to the current mob running Victoria.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I'm sure that certain politicians in the Victorian State Govt made it absolutely certain this was going to be the case...  Sir Joh/Robert Askin/Brian Burke/Gladys B were saints compared to the current mob running Victoria.
"Carnot"
Instead of just slagging off all the time, put up some genuine examples of Victorian ALP government corruption that equal those of the politicians you have referred to.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The Victorian Royal Commission into Crown Resorts has found Crown’s “disgraceful” conduct has made it unsuitable to run its Melbourne casino, but has recommended that immediate cancellation of its licence is not in the best interests of the community

Instead the royal commission has recommended the appointment of a “Special Manager” to oversee a path to suitability over a course of two years - but that outcome has not guaranteed.

Commissioner Ray Finkelstein has also recommended limiting 37 per cent shareholder James Packer’s stake to 5 per cent through amendments to the state’s casino regulations in three year’s time, when restrictions on his shareholding levied by NSW’s gaming regulator earlier this year expire.
Crown were ALWAYS going to keep their license no matter how inept and corrupt they have been.

I'm sure that certain politicians in the Victorian State Govt made it absolutely certain this was going to be the case...  Sir Joh/Robert Askin/Brian Burke/Gladys B were saints compared to the current mob running Victoria.
Carnot
Ray Finklestein is very good at litigation, this is one of the most disturbingly libellous posts I have seen. I hope he tracks you down and litigates against you for every cent you’ll ever have.

Whatever you think Victoria’s Dear Leader (and I don’t think much of him, but I also don’t think he’s corrupt) Ray Finklestein is absolutely not, suggesting his findings or an outcome of his commission was predetermined is a disgusting aspersion.

Finklestein had the absolute option to recommend forfeiture of licence, what would come post that recommendation might have been something for you to question the Victorian leadership of, but no recommendation either way was ‘ALWAYS’ going to happen.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

I'm sure that certain politicians in the Victorian State Govt made it absolutely certain this was going to be the case...  Sir Joh/Robert Askin/Brian Burke/Gladys B were saints compared to the current mob running Victoria.
Instead of just slagging off all the time, put up some genuine examples of Victorian ALP government corruption that equal those of the politicians you have referred to.
Valvegear
Took the words out of my mouth.

He just dislikes the ALP. Problem with some of their socially progressive policies. The Coalition cannot even agree to state that Gay Conversion Therapy is wrong and that the banning of it should be upheld.


Mannie
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

The Victorian Royal Commission into Crown Resorts has found Crown’s “disgraceful” conduct has made it unsuitable to run its Melbourne casino, but has recommended that immediate cancellation of its licence is not in the best interests of the community

Instead the royal commission has recommended the appointment of a “Special Manager” to oversee a path to suitability over a course of two years - but that outcome has not guaranteed.

Commissioner Ray Finkelstein has also recommended limiting 37 per cent shareholder James Packer’s stake to 5 per cent through amendments to the state’s casino regulations in three year’s time, when restrictions on his shareholding levied by NSW’s gaming regulator earlier this year expire.
Crown were ALWAYS going to keep their license no matter how inept and corrupt they have been.

I'm sure that certain politicians in the Victorian State Govt made it absolutely certain this was going to be the case...  Sir Joh/Robert Askin/Brian Burke/Gladys B were saints compared to the current mob running Victoria.
Ray Finklestein is very good at litigation, this is one of the most disturbingly libellous posts I have seen. I hope he tracks you down and litigates against you for every cent you’ll ever have.

Whatever you think Victoria’s Dear Leader (and I don’t think much of him, but I also don’t think he’s corrupt) Ray Finklestein is absolutely not, suggesting his findings or an outcome of his commission was predetermined is a disgusting aspersion.

Finklestein had the absolute option to recommend forfeiture of licence, what would come post that recommendation might have been something for you to question the Victorian leadership of, but no recommendation either way was ‘ALWAYS’ going to happen.
Aaron
Wonderfully put. I could not have put it better myself. One can voice their opposition to Dan Andrews without making baseless assertions.


Mannie
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Oh dear, I've upset the #istandwithdan crowd again.

Remember the conversation Lloyd Williams (executor of the Packer estate) had with Dan in 2014?
https://www.news.com.au/national/lloyd-williams-assures-daniel-andrews/video/510d6318bb856c79754bc0ce1ee83bb2
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Oh dear, I've upset the #istandwithdan crowd again.
"Carnot"
On the contrary. You have pleased many of us by demonstrating that you have a baseless anti-ALP stance. Keep slagging off, unsupported as usual, and we'll continue to laugh at you.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Oh dear, I've upset the #istandwithdan crowd again.
On the contrary. You have pleased many of us by demonstrating that you have a baseless anti-ALP stance. Keep slagging off, unsupported as usual, and we'll continue to laugh at you.
Valvegear
Vic ALP supporters, be like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Carnot - your talents are wasted here . . . take up writing fiction because providing facts obviously eludes you.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Oh dear, I've upset the #istandwithdan crowd again.
On the contrary. You have pleased many of us by demonstrating that you have a baseless anti-ALP stance. Keep slagging off, unsupported as usual, and we'll continue to laugh at you.
Vic ALP supporters, be like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404
Carnot
Talk about being like Don I mean fair dinkum!! by the way Dan, good on you for ignoring the Anti-Vaxx movement, I hope they are cancelled out of events for a looong time in Victoria, keep up the good work, shame Glady's has let them all loose on December 1!!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Oh dear, I've upset the #istandwithdan crowd again.

Remember the conversation Lloyd Williams (executor of the Packer estate) had with Dan in 2014?
https://www.news.com.au/national/lloyd-williams-assures-daniel-andrews/video/510d6318bb856c79754bc0ce1ee83bb2
Carnot
Yeah, if you’d been paying attention, especially in the Covid thread, I am more of a ‘I wish I was there to push him down those stairs again’ kind of guy.

My issue is that you post libellous crap about a very upstanding, highly respected, former judge.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Oh dear, I've upset the #istandwithdan crowd again.

Remember the conversation Lloyd Williams (executor of the Packer estate) had with Dan in 2014?
https://www.news.com.au/national/lloyd-williams-assures-daniel-andrews/video/510d6318bb856c79754bc0ce1ee83bb2
Yeah, if you’d been paying attention, especially in the Covid thread, I am more of a ‘I wish I was there to push him down those stairs again’ kind of guy.

My issue is that you post libellous crap about a very upstanding, highly respected, former judge.
Aaron
I don't have any issue with Ray's integrity.  I just wonder if the Govt gave him no choice in the matter?  i.e. Crown are too big to fail.

Given the "two-year good behaviour bond" that Crown have been given, I have equally low confidence they would lose their license regardless of whether an ALP or Lib Govt is in power in 2023 if Crown fail to act properly.

Worth reading:
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The key word in all of this is MONEY whether it be clean, dirty, laundered, terrorist or state government revenue.
If one has enough money one can do as one likes. Has there been any comment in the Royal Commission Report on the activity, competence or otherwise of the regulator?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Oh dear, I've upset the #istandwithdan crowd again.

Remember the conversation Lloyd Williams (executor of the Packer estate) had with Dan in 2014?
https://www.news.com.au/national/lloyd-williams-assures-daniel-andrews/video/510d6318bb856c79754bc0ce1ee83bb2
Yeah, if you’d been paying attention, especially in the Covid thread, I am more of a ‘I wish I was there to push him down those stairs again’ kind of guy.

My issue is that you post libellous crap about a very upstanding, highly respected, former judge.
I don't have any issue with Ray's integrity.  I just wonder if the Govt gave him no choice in the matter?
Carnot
Officially now, one of the things I look forward to most post border reopening is getting you and Don together for a riding a push bike in reverse race, I have never seen two people so good at backpedaling. Seriously, if it were a genuine sport you two would be world class, sure things for the Australian Olympic team - maybe we can get it up as our chosen demonstration sport when the games come to Brisbane.

You can read the RC terms of reference, you can read Commissioner Finklestein’s findings, he could have removed or restricted Crown’s licence but he chose not to. You’re suggesting he either allowed himself to be ‘guided’ to a finding by terms of reference (because you did say ‘ALWAYS’ as if to imply this was determined before the Commissioner sat), or you’re suggesting he by some way was corrupted into making his findings. It is just so inconceivable that Commissioner Finklestein would put himself in either position that he would have no trouble winning a litigation based on your published comments.

Your assertion is just so patently foolish.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

FWIW, the Vic Lib Govt bent over backwards to Crown in 2014:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/14/crown-casino-given-200m-taxpayer-guarantee-in-extraordinary-deal

Too much power, money, and leverage is blatantly obvious.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Oh dear, I've upset the #istandwithdan crowd again.

Remember the conversation Lloyd Williams (executor of the Packer estate) had with Dan in 2014?
https://www.news.com.au/national/lloyd-williams-assures-daniel-andrews/video/510d6318bb856c79754bc0ce1ee83bb2
Yeah, if you’d been paying attention, especially in the Covid thread, I am more of a ‘I wish I was there to push him down those stairs again’ kind of guy.

My issue is that you post libellous crap about a very upstanding, highly respected, former judge.
I don't have any issue with Ray's integrity.  I just wonder if the Govt gave him no choice in the matter?
Officially now, one of the things I look forward to most post border reopening is getting you and Don together for a riding a push bike in reverse race, I have never seen two people so good at backpedaling. Seriously, if it were a genuine sport you two would be world class, sure things for the Australian Olympic team - maybe we can get it up as our chosen demonstration sport when the games come to Brisbane.

You can read the RC terms of reference, you can read Commissioner Finklestein’s findings, he could have removed or restricted Crown’s licence but he chose not to. You’re suggesting he either allowed himself to be ‘guided’ to a finding by terms of reference (because you did say ‘ALWAYS’ as if to imply this was determined before the Commissioner sat), or you’re suggesting he by some way was corrupted into making his findings. It is just so inconceivable that Commissioner Finklestein would put himself in either position that he would have no trouble winning a litigation based on your published comments.

Your assertion is just so patently foolish.
Aaron
I suggest a running race between them, both participants have to start from the far right lanes....., I'll show myself out....
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The Andrews Govt is already kicking the can down the road and deferring several of Finkelstein's recommendations.
https://theconversation.com/illegal-dishonest-unethical-and-exploitative-but-crown-resorts-keeps-its-melbourne-casino-licence-170625

I stand by my word that the State Govt is 'owned' by Crown Casino.

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